Now that I've done loremaster of cata, is there any specific way I can grind up some gold without gathering profession fly-bys? Like is it profitable to just cruise through old old raids?
I 3 man all the old raids and most of BC and then 5 man alot of the lower WotLK stuff for gold yeah.
The healers call for BL and they typically call for it during that last Fued. It is just a fight that causes healers to get all emo and the like. We have excellent healers in my guild but they just get OOM before that last feud.
We also use the 2 tank 1dps method which I am against personally but the GL is adamant that it isnt a two tank fight. To me the fight is somewhat RNG oriented anyways so why not have that extra dps. Losing almost 8k DPS by having a DK stand in front of the boss the whole fight is a big loss.
Make sure they understand that non-feud means 10k and no more. my HPS on that fight is like 3k during non-feud stages(when I play my disc priest). and during feuds, there is a point where the healers can stop healing because everyone will be above 10k and he won't do another spit/attack before the massacre. I see a lot of healers continue to spam heals when you don't have to for a full 5 seconds, that is potentially 10-20k extra mana they could have for the fight right there.
And I aggree with you about the 2+1 vs 2tank on Chimaeron. It's a 2 tank fight IMO, at least for 10man. The main reason I don't like 2+1 is because it increases the amount of healing that needs to be done by A LOT (Which may be your healers problem!). For One) there is one less person getting hit by the slimes, so everyone stacked up gets hit for a very noticible difference. And Two) you have 2 tanks you have to bring to full health during feud, the first tank must be brought to 100% in 5 seconds and kept there and the second tank needs to brought to 100% in 15 seconds.
Straight up 2tanking is a lot easier on the healers mana bar. The risk is having a Tank death during Feud Double attack, and at the first double attack following a Feud. But in all of our attempts, only once has a tank been One shot where being at 100% health would not have saved him.
My raid leader was... a warlock. And a demon. And one night he goes off crazier than usual. Sinestra gets the kitchen knife to defend herself. He doesn't like that. Not-one-bit. So - me watching - he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it! Turns to me, and he says, "why so serious, druid?" Comes at me with the knife... "Why so serious?" He sticks the blade in my mouth... "Let's put a smile on that face!" And...
As for slime targets, I'll rejuv-swiftmend one and if another healer doesn't grab the other I'll regrowth him as my gear is at the point where I don't really have to wait for clear casting to afford it.
That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure if that just raped the shit out of your mana with all the Regrowths or what. Do you double Regrowth while swiftmend is on cooldown? Or what?
Justin's post sounds like something that doesn't apply to Chimaeron at all. Tons of mana wasted healing people past 10k, self-Lifebloom being a waste most of the time, etc.
That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure if that just raped the shit out of your mana with all the Regrowths or what. Do you double Regrowth while swiftmend is on cooldown? Or what?
I usually have swiftmend available, But I'll use a healing touch before I'll double regrowth a target.
The fight is hell on my mana pool if I'm not careful.
The healers call for BL and they typically call for it during that last Fued. It is just a fight that causes healers to get all emo and the like. We have excellent healers in my guild but they just get OOM before that last feud.
We also use the 2 tank 1dps method which I am against personally but the GL is adamant that it isnt a two tank fight. To me the fight is somewhat RNG oriented anyways so why not have that extra dps. Losing almost 8k DPS by having a DK stand in front of the boss the whole fight is a big loss.
Make sure they understand that non-feud means 10k and no more. my HPS on that fight is like 3k during non-feud stages(when I play my disc priest). and during feuds, there is a point where the healers can stop healing because everyone will be above 10k and he won't do another spit/attack before the massacre. I see a lot of healers continue to spam heals when you don't have to for a full 5 seconds, that is potentially 10-20k extra mana they could have for the fight right there.
And I aggree with you about the 2+1 vs 2tank on Chimaeron. It's a 2 tank fight IMO, at least for 10man. The main reason I don't like 2+1 is because it increases the amount of healing that needs to be done by A LOT (Which may be your healers problem!). For One) there is one less person getting hit by the slimes, so everyone stacked up gets hit for a very noticible difference. And Two) you have 2 tanks you have to bring to full health during feud, the first tank must be brought to 100% in 5 seconds and kept there and the second tank needs to brought to 100% in 15 seconds.
Straight up 2tanking is a lot easier on the healers mana bar. The risk is having a Tank death during Feud Double attack, and at the first double attack following a Feud. But in all of our attempts, only once has a tank been One shot where being at 100% health would not have saved him.
What do you use for 2 tanking? Jubal's 2-tank strat sounded rather highly reliant on warriors for the 40-second shield block cooldown.
That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure if that just raped the shit out of your mana with all the Regrowths or what. Do you double Regrowth while swiftmend is on cooldown? Or what?
I usually have swiftmend available, But I'll use a healing touch before I'll double regrowth a target.
The fight is hell on my mana pool if I'm not careful.
I guess I don't know exactly how your raid's healing is assigned, but the slime spits come every 5 seconds or so (after the initial 10 or so second delay after a massacre), so I would think you'd only be able to Swiftmend about 1 out of every 3 slime volleys (or 1 out of every 6 slime targets).
And I didn't mean double regrowth one person (you should never have to do that since regrowth should always heal for more than 10k), but rather having to throw two regrowths on two different targets when they've both been slimed and SM is on cooldown.
Typical is a h pally on the off tank with beacon on the main tank. Resto shaman and I floating as needed between slimes and helping on tanks.
10 man healing tasks have to be less about having specific targets or tasks, and more about working smoothly with your other healers to even out the total healing load as much as possible and avoid over healing. Its a dynamic I prefer to 25 man stuff
Re: HChim - We have Time Warped in both places. A few percentage into P2 and pre-P2 to help the healers top everyone off.
I think using it before P2 to top everyone off and push to P2 cleanly is what I prefer.
Nobody (except maybe one of our tanks...but I doubt it on this fight) uses the Mirror.
This is the only fight I unequip my mirror. ;-)
The solution to poison is that it doesn't matter unless you're the person tanking. If it takes you long enough to kill him that people die to poison (i.e. 60 seconds absolute minimum), there's no way you were going to beat it. That a person who would survive for another 5+ seconds dies in 1 second due to poison is a problem, but that can be solved by shields, Anti-Magic shell (yay DK tanks), etc. Everyone else should be fine because they should be using their own survival cooldowns, resisting some, getting the occasional shield, etc. to let them survive until he's dead.
Yeah that's why post doesn't work. Because you raid in fail-man.
And you wonder why people in your guild think you're a little negative . . .
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Ahhh, so I love to joke with my ~5-6 hr/week casual guild that we find the most creative ways to wipe, but this past week's wipes on Nefarion normal had some truly rediculous ones.
-Had a great P1 and P2, Nef is landing for P3 at ~55% and I hit my windows key right before leaving my pillar. Alt-tab back in and I'm dead. Commence wiping.
-Had a similarly great P1+P2 and I tell our bear tank (who's Brazilian but generally understands English well) to pull the boss to the edge because the P1 adds were killed in the middle. Start healing and I notice he's out of range...wtf? Turns out he backed all the way off the platform and into the lava. Wipe.
-Our warrior tank fat-fingered his taunt key at ~12% with everyone alive and somehow taunted Nef? He of course eats a breath attack plus adds hitting him. Dead tank. Wipe.
I'm sure there's more I'm not thinking of. On the plus side, we got the kill on our last attempt Monday night so we can now do BWD heroics. I also got ranked in WoL for the kill!
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edited April 2011
One of the Lion's Pride NPCs has remained unspawned since a Horde attack a couple days ago. Really weird.
Edit - Going back to that name discussion briefly; Ha, there's someone in here right now literally named Gslol.
Something that helped our healers a lot when we were learning chimaeron is to group tighter. Especially on 10 man, the tendency is to spread out more than you have to, but you only need 6 yards between people. Chain heal fucking demolishes that fight if you are grouped tight enough for it to hit 3-4 targets every time.
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This is the truest statement of the year. I ran into so many assholes when I was farming whiptail there. And by assholes, I mean people who would swoop down while I was fighting a mob camped on a herb and pick it.
This is the truest statement of the year. I ran into so many assholes when I was farming whiptail there. And by assholes, I mean people who would swoop down while I was fighting a mob camped on a herb and pick it.
People do that just as often in any other zone, the difference in uldum is all the herbs are along the river, so someone is more likely to pass by and be in a position to steal your node.
On the other hand, if you're playing early/late when not many people are on, you can gather a shit ton of whiptail very quickly. It's great for scribes.
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whiptail is great for scribes? I see people selling it often and for a lot on windrunner all the time I am just too lazy to go farm it since I only get to play a limited ammount most of the time
whiptail is great for scribes? I see people selling it often and for a lot on windrunner all the time I am just too lazy to go farm it since I only get to play a limited ammount most of the time
It's great for scribes because, according to wowhead, it and twilight jasmine have a 50% chance to mill burning embers, while the rest have a 25% chance. And whiptail farming along the river is much, much easier than twilight jasmine farming, mostly because twilight highlands is so fucked up with phasing.
It is beyond annoying when you get to the herb and you cannot pull it because it's phased!
I should go get snag some whiptail right now but I am just too bored
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edited April 2011
Holy crap I had no idea they'd cleaned up the pre-BC instances so much with Cata. I'm simultaneously ecstatic to run so many so evenly and also sad for all the questing that means I'd skip.
We changed up our Nef strat last night and got our first clean kill. We went from tanking nef on the edge to the middle. We also got heroic halfus down but with one person alive post enrage. Our dps needs to be a little faster on the drakes I think.
We had so many issues with nef in the middle but that's because the other tank couldn't keep him rotated enough that I didn't get fucking tail whipped everytime I ran past the tail and fucked the adds resetting.
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We had so many issues with nef in the middle but that's because the other tank couldn't keep him rotated enough that I didn't get fucking tail whipped everytime I ran past the tail and fucked the adds resetting.
I have to tell my off tank to move Nef so he doesn't breathe on the adds. Every. Single. Time.
It's tough learning some fights, because sometimes I feel like I have to tell everyone what to do and when to do it.
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Argh, I don't know what Wowpedia uses for its floating tooltips on abilities etc (wowhead?) but it crashes Safari like woah.
We had so many issues with nef in the middle but that's because the other tank couldn't keep him rotated enough that I didn't get fucking tail whipped everytime I ran past the tail and fucked the adds resetting.
I have to tell my off tank to move Nef so he doesn't breathe on the adds. Every. Single. Time.
It's tough learning some fights, because sometimes I feel like I have to tell everyone what to do and when to do it.
Yeah that was the issue. I found it simpler to tell him to tank and spank waaayyyy over on the far side of the room and I just kite the fires myself in arcs, by the time I get close to nef the outside arc is gone and I have about 30 seconds before it becomes an oh shit moment anyways. Basically you tank nef on the left side and make > shaped motions up and down. Wayyyyyyy easier than me having to tell the tank what to do, while popping my raid saving cooldowns, and while avoiding fire and watching the shadowshits.
This way I just have to watch fire. I think that tankspot video where nef is in the middle and the tank is kiting around the grating was way harder than it was worth if your other tank is a derp.
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Holy crap I had no idea they'd cleaned up the pre-BC instances so much with Cata. I'm simultaneously ecstatic to run so many so evenly and also sad for all the questing that means I'd skip.
Wait 'til 4.1 lands. Half the Wailing Caverns is being cut out (with a couple boss positions changing).
Holy crap I had no idea they'd cleaned up the pre-BC instances so much with Cata. I'm simultaneously ecstatic to run so many so evenly and also sad for all the questing that means I'd skip.
Wait 'til 4.1 lands. Half the Wailing Caverns is being cut out (with a couple boss positions changing).
Stupid whinning newbs/alliance... WC wasnt that bad. Why does everything have to be a straight shot.
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Holy crap I had no idea they'd cleaned up the pre-BC instances so much with Cata. I'm simultaneously ecstatic to run so many so evenly and also sad for all the questing that means I'd skip.
Wait 'til 4.1 lands. Half the Wailing Caverns is being cut out (with a couple boss positions changing).
I've run WC plenty already. I'm surprised they're not cutting Gnomer down to size, though. That's worse.
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Holy crap I had no idea they'd cleaned up the pre-BC instances so much with Cata. I'm simultaneously ecstatic to run so many so evenly and also sad for all the questing that means I'd skip.
Wait 'til 4.1 lands. Half the Wailing Caverns is being cut out (with a couple boss positions changing).
Stupid whinning newbs/alliance... WC wasnt that bad. Why does everything have to be a straight shot.
I disagree with the complainers being Alliance only, but yeah, dungeons being straight shots is boring as fuck. It's like that image, "These are dungeons, these are hallways."
Holy crap I had no idea they'd cleaned up the pre-BC instances so much with Cata. I'm simultaneously ecstatic to run so many so evenly and also sad for all the questing that means I'd skip.
Wait 'til 4.1 lands. Half the Wailing Caverns is being cut out (with a couple boss positions changing).
Stupid whinning newbs/alliance... WC wasnt that bad. Why does everything have to be a straight shot.
I disagree with the complainers being Alliance only, but yeah, dungeons being straight shots is boring as fuck. It's like that image, "These are dungeons, these are hallways."
There is a difference between linear and "what the fuck, did we just go in a circle 18 times?" BRD was well designed in this regard. It was really hard to go in a circle, but it had a few paths. WC just makes me feel like I'm lost in the woods because all the trees look the same and I don't know where the fuck I am.
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I've been leveling a hunter the past few weeks (he's 56 now), and I must say, I miss epic instances like BRD. I always have liked it, and I am loving it even more now with the new BOA gear. The place is so tightly packed with trash, it's XP heaven, and you really don't care if you accidently pull the next trash pack. UBRS and LBRS are the same way these days.
When you get into these groups, its really amusing because a lot of people never experienced these instances the way we did back in vanilla. I chuckled when I got into an LBRS group, and we cleared all the way to the first ogre boss. The tank said, "Is that it?"
"Not even close."
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WC gets bad when your party splits up for whatever reason and people kill mobs in another direction; then you can't easily track where you've been.
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I have never had trouble in WC except that I end up backtracking a fair amount to get all the nodes.
Gnomer, like I said, is a confusing hellpit though. I never feel like I have any idea where I'm going in there.
Really? WC is really not that bad. It really is not. It was actually very well designed as a straight shot if you knew what you were actually doing in there. It is not that complex. If you died you go on the loop you were on but its WC and you shouldnt wipe in there anyways.
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I've done Gnomer like twice in all these years, and the fucked up thing about its complexity is that when you're being lead around by people who know how to get to all the bosses, it seems like a very short dungeon.
This is the truest statement of the year. I ran into so many assholes when I was farming whiptail there. And by assholes, I mean people who would swoop down while I was fighting a mob camped on a herb and pick it.
If you want Whiptail, just go to Tol Barad croc area. People are so braindead from doing those dailies or fighting over skinning crocs that they fail to notice the tons of whiptail around. And due to the way things spawn there, there are almost always nodes.
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I 3 man all the old raids and most of BC and then 5 man alot of the lower WotLK stuff for gold yeah.
The idea is to keep your groups small.
Having the right professions helps alot too.
Make sure they understand that non-feud means 10k and no more. my HPS on that fight is like 3k during non-feud stages(when I play my disc priest). and during feuds, there is a point where the healers can stop healing because everyone will be above 10k and he won't do another spit/attack before the massacre. I see a lot of healers continue to spam heals when you don't have to for a full 5 seconds, that is potentially 10-20k extra mana they could have for the fight right there.
And I aggree with you about the 2+1 vs 2tank on Chimaeron. It's a 2 tank fight IMO, at least for 10man. The main reason I don't like 2+1 is because it increases the amount of healing that needs to be done by A LOT (Which may be your healers problem!). For One) there is one less person getting hit by the slimes, so everyone stacked up gets hit for a very noticible difference. And Two) you have 2 tanks you have to bring to full health during feud, the first tank must be brought to 100% in 5 seconds and kept there and the second tank needs to brought to 100% in 15 seconds.
Straight up 2tanking is a lot easier on the healers mana bar. The risk is having a Tank death during Feud Double attack, and at the first double attack following a Feud. But in all of our attempts, only once has a tank been One shot where being at 100% health would not have saved him.
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Justin's post sounds like something that doesn't apply to Chimaeron at all. Tons of mana wasted healing people past 10k, self-Lifebloom being a waste most of the time, etc.
I usually have swiftmend available, But I'll use a healing touch before I'll double regrowth a target.
The fight is hell on my mana pool if I'm not careful.
And I didn't mean double regrowth one person (you should never have to do that since regrowth should always heal for more than 10k), but rather having to throw two regrowths on two different targets when they've both been slimed and SM is on cooldown.
10 man healing tasks have to be less about having specific targets or tasks, and more about working smoothly with your other healers to even out the total healing load as much as possible and avoid over healing. Its a dynamic I prefer to 25 man stuff
This is the only fight I unequip my mirror. ;-)
The solution to poison is that it doesn't matter unless you're the person tanking. If it takes you long enough to kill him that people die to poison (i.e. 60 seconds absolute minimum), there's no way you were going to beat it. That a person who would survive for another 5+ seconds dies in 1 second due to poison is a problem, but that can be solved by shields, Anti-Magic shell (yay DK tanks), etc. Everyone else should be fine because they should be using their own survival cooldowns, resisting some, getting the occasional shield, etc. to let them survive until he's dead.
And you wonder why people in your guild think you're a little negative . . .
-Had a great P1 and P2, Nef is landing for P3 at ~55% and I hit my windows key right before leaving my pillar. Alt-tab back in and I'm dead. Commence wiping.
-Had a similarly great P1+P2 and I tell our bear tank (who's Brazilian but generally understands English well) to pull the boss to the edge because the P1 adds were killed in the middle. Start healing and I notice he's out of range...wtf? Turns out he backed all the way off the platform and into the lava. Wipe.
-Our warrior tank fat-fingered his taunt key at ~12% with everyone alive and somehow taunted Nef? He of course eats a breath attack plus adds hitting him. Dead tank. Wipe.
I'm sure there's more I'm not thinking of. On the plus side, we got the kill on our last attempt Monday night so we can now do BWD heroics. I also got ranked in WoL for the kill!
Edit - Going back to that name discussion briefly; Ha, there's someone in here right now literally named Gslol.
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This is the truest statement of the year. I ran into so many assholes when I was farming whiptail there. And by assholes, I mean people who would swoop down while I was fighting a mob camped on a herb and pick it.
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People do that just as often in any other zone, the difference in uldum is all the herbs are along the river, so someone is more likely to pass by and be in a position to steal your node.
On the other hand, if you're playing early/late when not many people are on, you can gather a shit ton of whiptail very quickly. It's great for scribes.
It's great for scribes because, according to wowhead, it and twilight jasmine have a 50% chance to mill burning embers, while the rest have a 25% chance. And whiptail farming along the river is much, much easier than twilight jasmine farming, mostly because twilight highlands is so fucked up with phasing.
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I should go get snag some whiptail right now but I am just too bored
I have to tell my off tank to move Nef so he doesn't breathe on the adds. Every. Single. Time.
It's tough learning some fights, because sometimes I feel like I have to tell everyone what to do and when to do it.
Yeah that was the issue. I found it simpler to tell him to tank and spank waaayyyy over on the far side of the room and I just kite the fires myself in arcs, by the time I get close to nef the outside arc is gone and I have about 30 seconds before it becomes an oh shit moment anyways. Basically you tank nef on the left side and make > shaped motions up and down. Wayyyyyyy easier than me having to tell the tank what to do, while popping my raid saving cooldowns, and while avoiding fire and watching the shadowshits.
This way I just have to watch fire. I think that tankspot video where nef is in the middle and the tank is kiting around the grating was way harder than it was worth if your other tank is a derp.
Wait 'til 4.1 lands. Half the Wailing Caverns is being cut out (with a couple boss positions changing).
Stupid whinning newbs/alliance... WC wasnt that bad. Why does everything have to be a straight shot.
I've run WC plenty already. I'm surprised they're not cutting Gnomer down to size, though. That's worse.
I disagree with the complainers being Alliance only, but yeah, dungeons being straight shots is boring as fuck. It's like that image, "These are dungeons, these are hallways."
There is a difference between linear and "what the fuck, did we just go in a circle 18 times?" BRD was well designed in this regard. It was really hard to go in a circle, but it had a few paths. WC just makes me feel like I'm lost in the woods because all the trees look the same and I don't know where the fuck I am.
It is confusing as you die or wipe and spent some time looking for where you were and where to go next
When you get into these groups, its really amusing because a lot of people never experienced these instances the way we did back in vanilla. I chuckled when I got into an LBRS group, and we cleared all the way to the first ogre boss. The tank said, "Is that it?"
"Not even close."
Gnomer, like I said, is a confusing hellpit though. I never feel like I have any idea where I'm going in there.
If you want Whiptail, just go to Tol Barad croc area. People are so braindead from doing those dailies or fighting over skinning crocs that they fail to notice the tons of whiptail around. And due to the way things spawn there, there are almost always nodes.
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