3 tank Chim is the best way to do Chim. 2 tank Chim is stupid.
With 3 tanks, your third tank in the rotation is treated as a DPS. They're not doing anything, they're just there letting Break stacks fall off. The whole point is so that your DS tank doesn't have any Break stacks from when they were MTing.
You dont do it my way you must be dumb! I am sorry but spending 3 full days 3 tanking him prior to 4.1 and then getting him in 4 attempts as soon as 4.1 hits with 2 taqnking and 2 attempts the next week is indeed not stupid. When you actually stop to think about it, it actually makes more sense. You can no longer get back to back. The earliest we got it was on the second massacre the vast majority of them we get on the 3rd or 4th massacre now. You get him to P2 much faster with a dps not doing 50% + less dps of thier normal output.
I actually think having 3 reduces the amount of RNG you need to deal with. A third tank (or dps) can take all stacks of break so a tank will never have to take a double attack with any stacks.
I understand that since they fixed feud to no longer happen two times in a row, 3 tanks is now unnecessary. We still run 2 tanks and a DPS DK to take break, however because its what we're used to.
Adding in a 3rd tank just adds to the amount of people your healers have to focus heal on an already very hearler intensive fight and you also have to have your tanks taunt at exactly the right time always or else that dps tank will die on transitions. We were having these problems prior to 4.1 and we were going to try 2 tanking it but then 4.1 hit and we got Chimmy down in like 4 attempts afterwards two tanking it.
Also as someone else said mages or OP for p2.
The third tank is doing nothing in the fight but taking break so all they have to do is consistently be above 10,000 hps. I don't think that's adding that much additional strain to the healers. Especially since most of the fight the tank that is awaiting the next feud is taking 0 damage outside of massacres.
3 tank Chim is the best way to do Chim. 2 tank Chim is stupid.
With 3 tanks, your third tank in the rotation is treated as a DPS. They're not doing anything, they're just there letting Break stacks fall off. The whole point is so that your DS tank doesn't have any Break stacks from when they were MTing.
You dont do it my way you must be dumb! I am sorry but spending 3 full days 3 tanking him prior to 4.1 and then getting him in 4 attempts as soon as 4.1 hits with 2 taqnking and 2 attempts the next week is indeed not stupid. When you actually stop to think about it, it actually makes more sense. You can no longer get back to back. The earliest we got it was on the second massacre the vast majority of them we get on the 3rd or 4th massacre now. You get him to P2 much faster with a dps not doing 50% + less dps of thier normal output.
I agree, its no longer necessary with the 4.1 changes. We only continue to 3 tank it because its what we're used to and we're one shotting the boss either way. If someones learning the fight though and their issue is tanks getting one shot, making it so a tank with break never has to take double attacks could help save as much cooldowns for the Feuds as possible, running 3 tanks allows you to do this
I actually think having 3 reduces the amount of RNG you need to deal with. A third tank (or dps) can take all stacks of break so a tank will never have to take a double attack with any stacks.
I understand that since they fixed feud to no longer happen two times in a row, 3 tanks is now unnecessary. We still run 2 tanks and a DPS DK to take break, however because its what we're used to.
Adding in a 3rd tank just adds to the amount of people your healers have to focus heal on an already very hearler intensive fight and you also have to have your tanks taunt at exactly the right time always or else that dps tank will die on transitions. We were having these problems prior to 4.1 and we were going to try 2 tanking it but then 4.1 hit and we got Chimmy down in like 4 attempts afterwards two tanking it.
Also as someone else said mages or OP for p2.
The third tank is doing nothing in the fight but taking break so all they have to do is consistently be above 10,000 hps. I don't think that's adding that much additional strain to the healers. Especially since most of the fight the tank that is awaiting the next feud is taking 0 damage outside of massacres.
And taunt at exactly the right time, and not get hit by slime at the same time they're melee'd, and give the healers another thing to worry about, and what's the point because you still need a tank to take a double attack during feud, and if you can do that you can certainly take one with breaks while the gas is on.
2 tank has no issues at all. Even before 4.1, the only issue was in the absolute worst case of feud timings.
Magmaw actually "dies" before he runs out of health. For us the fight always ends at 1%.
Well given the size of his HP pool 1% constitutes a pretty large amount of HP once rounded.
My point was more that if you saw his health at 1% when your last person died and he despawned, you were probably literally just a few thousand damage from a kill. Like one or two seconds away from killing him.
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Just got roasted by Deathwing for the second time on this Horde character I've been tinkering around on.
I still have yet to see Deathwing outside of quest driven appearances.
I haven't managed to see him yet either. He has, however, nuked me from space a few times, apparently.
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I didn't see him this time; I was on the edge of the Burning Steppes and ran into the hills thinking I can avoid it. I was watching out for him and he didn't show up anywhere, and I didn't see fire spraying out. Then all of a sudden, everything in my view engulfs in flame.
I still have yet to see Deathwing outside of quest driven appearances.
I haven't managed to see him yet either. He has, however, nuked me from space a few times, apparently.
I have the chivo on a alt. I was questing in EPL and I went to go make a sandwich. When I came back EPL was burning to the ground and I was dead. :twisted:
I actually think having 3 reduces the amount of RNG you need to deal with. A third tank (or dps) can take all stacks of break so a tank will never have to take a double attack with any stacks.
I understand that since they fixed feud to no longer happen two times in a row, 3 tanks is now unnecessary. We still run 2 tanks and a DPS DK to take break, however because its what we're used to.
Adding in a 3rd tank just adds to the amount of people your healers have to focus heal on an already very hearler intensive fight and you also have to have your tanks taunt at exactly the right time always or else that dps tank will die on transitions. We were having these problems prior to 4.1 and we were going to try 2 tanking it but then 4.1 hit and we got Chimmy down in like 4 attempts afterwards two tanking it.
Also as someone else said mages or OP for p2.
The third tank is doing nothing in the fight but taking break so all they have to do is consistently be above 10,000 hps. I don't think that's adding that much additional strain to the healers. Especially since most of the fight the tank that is awaiting the next feud is taking 0 damage outside of massacres.
And taunt at exactly the right time, and not get hit by slime at the same time they're melee'd, and give the healers another thing to worry about, and what's the point because you still need a tank to take a double attack during feud, and if you can do that you can certainly take one with breaks while the gas is on.
2 tank has no issues at all. Even before 4.1, the only issue was in the absolute worst case of feud timings.
Having a third tank that could taunt at the right time and understand the fight as it unfolds would probably make the fight pretty easy. Our "dps" tank would taunt back too soon, miss a taunt back because he didn't see the double hit get parried/dodged, who knows what other issues he was having.
I don't understand how two tanking is stupid though... at least on 10 man. It obviously works just fine for a lot of raid groups. We found it better because it narrowed down our fail points to our regular tanks and healers.... who happen to be our best players.
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My favorite part about the suit is the one tendril thinger that doesn't match the others at all.
I just rolled up a DK to play frost spec for the first time since WotLK launched. Gonna see if I like it now.
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edited May 2011
I dunno what I'd do for a DK dps spec since Blood was always my favourite.
Oh! Wait! Which one has the qtbelf trainer in Acheron? That one.
Also, Henroid: we bronies.
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Blood has always been my favorite too. Even when they changed it to the tank spec in Cataclysm; in fact, it made it MORE my favorite. I love the theme of the spec. The DK I mentioned above is undead because it's one of the few races I can really see being a 'frost' DK, from an immersive standing. I'm already thinking I'm not gonna enjoy it very much though, I'll see for the first couple levels in Outland. Not gonna hold my breath.
Also, the Unholy trainer in Acherus is the belf. Blood has just some human dude, and frost has the lich.
Heroic Atramedes should be easy as fuck. The only real difference in the fight is the 250k hp adds, which in Cata is nothing. It really just requires your raid members to play smarter than regular, not harder.
Heroic Atramedes should be easy as fuck. The only real difference in the fight is the 250k hp adds, which in Cata is nothing. It really just requires your raid members to play smarter than regular, not harder.
We actually used to wipe more on Normal Atra vs Heroic since we went from the [run amok] strat to [alternate between two camps in an organized manner].
Also, totally random on Chim; A Hunter pet can intervene the first Double Strike during the feud phase, quite handy if you don't have Paladins for LoH. We've always used 2 1/2 tanks on 25 for him, 2 real tanks for Double Strike and a Frost DK or Ret Pally main tank.
My favorite part about the suit is the one tendril thinger that doesn't match the others at all.
I just rolled up a DK to play frost spec for the first time since WotLK launched. Gonna see if I like it now.
Has the rotation for endgame DK been improved? I tried it out on my guy but it just didn't cut it. I was under DPSing most of the time.
And then Unholy happened.
It's a lot less clunky now since you never have to blood strike and you pretty much only use Obliterate as your rune attack, except when you're putting diseases back up.
Heroic Atramedes should be easy as fuck. The only real difference in the fight is the 250k hp adds, which in Cata is nothing. It really just requires your raid members to play smarter than regular, not harder.
We actually used to wipe more on Normal Atra vs Heroic since we went from the [run amok] strat to [alternate between two camps in an organized manner].
Also, totally random on Chim; A Hunter pet can intervene the first Double Strike during the feud phase, quite handy if you don't have Paladins for LoH. We've always used 2 1/2 tanks on 25 for him, 2 real tanks for Double Strike and a Frost DK or Ret Pally main tank.
Yeah, the air phase is really stupid easy if you do it right. We set a strat of "Pre fight, pick a spot. That's your spot." The idea is wait for a modulation blast to hit your spot. Slliiiiddeeee to the left. Wait. Modulation Blast. Slllliiiiddeee to the right. Rinse. Repeat.
First couple of attempts?
At least half the raid was running around like retards. Me? I was just chilling back and forth and back and forth.
Of course, I learned the hard way you can't Feral Charge him. I wound up in his stomach when he casted modulation.
Heroic Atramedes should be easy as fuck. The only real difference in the fight is the 250k hp adds, which in Cata is nothing. It really just requires your raid members to play smarter than regular, not harder.
At least 90% of raid encounters should be easy as fuck, but people are bad at WoW.
My guild still wipes to it at least a couple months after first getting it down since people just seem determined to fail.
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Ugh, the amount of entitled dps who keep pulling mobs in BC instances to inflate their meters is really pissing me off.
Please tell me things get better going into Cata content.
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Ugh, the amount of entitled dps who keep pulling mobs in BC instances to inflate their meters is really pissing me off.
Please tell me things get better going into Cata content.
It will, but not by a whole lot. The problem with older content is people see it as, well, older content, and think it can be breezed through as if a level 85 was taking them through the instance. In fact, I'm sure a lot of people playing the game have that happen for them so they don't really learn the whole cautionary side of running groups.
Also, new retarded thing discovered about MG: the Horde-side auction house has sharks that buy up recipes (and I'm talking about the 1 to 60 content recipes) and put them up for thousands of gold a piece. On the plus side, maybe I can get away with pricing shit for hundreds of gold instead.
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It just makes me really annoyed the terrible habits these people are learning. Their situational awareness is so terrible, too - they have no sense of spacing, let alone the tight radiuses the BC instances take to.
I want to roll a healer just to watch them die. Maybe I will do that.
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You dont do it my way you must be dumb! I am sorry but spending 3 full days 3 tanking him prior to 4.1 and then getting him in 4 attempts as soon as 4.1 hits with 2 taqnking and 2 attempts the next week is indeed not stupid. When you actually stop to think about it, it actually makes more sense. You can no longer get back to back. The earliest we got it was on the second massacre the vast majority of them we get on the 3rd or 4th massacre now. You get him to P2 much faster with a dps not doing 50% + less dps of thier normal output.
The third tank is doing nothing in the fight but taking break so all they have to do is consistently be above 10,000 hps. I don't think that's adding that much additional strain to the healers. Especially since most of the fight the tank that is awaiting the next feud is taking 0 damage outside of massacres.
I agree, its no longer necessary with the 4.1 changes. We only continue to 3 tank it because its what we're used to and we're one shotting the boss either way. If someones learning the fight though and their issue is tanks getting one shot, making it so a tank with break never has to take double attacks could help save as much cooldowns for the Feuds as possible, running 3 tanks allows you to do this
In the last phase (where there's no healing) Chim will eat them first instead of 1 shotting DPS. It gives your dps a few extra seconds.
And taunt at exactly the right time, and not get hit by slime at the same time they're melee'd, and give the healers another thing to worry about, and what's the point because you still need a tank to take a double attack during feud, and if you can do that you can certainly take one with breaks while the gas is on.
2 tank has no issues at all. Even before 4.1, the only issue was in the absolute worst case of feud timings.
I haven't managed to see him yet either. He has, however, nuked me from space a few times, apparently.
I have the chivo on a alt. I was questing in EPL and I went to go make a sandwich. When I came back EPL was burning to the ground and I was dead. :twisted:
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In the same vein, having hunter pets with growl on from the start will buy your threat dumping DPS more time.
I don't understand how two tanking is stupid though... at least on 10 man. It obviously works just fine for a lot of raid groups. We found it better because it narrowed down our fail points to our regular tanks and healers.... who happen to be our best players.
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I just rolled up a DK to play frost spec for the first time since WotLK launched. Gonna see if I like it now.
Oh! Wait! Which one has the qtbelf trainer in Acheron? That one.
Also, Henroid: we bronies.
Also, the Unholy trainer in Acherus is the belf. Blood has just some human dude, and frost has the lich.
And yes Arivia, we are.
We actually used to wipe more on Normal Atra vs Heroic since we went from the [run amok] strat to [alternate between two camps in an organized manner].
Also, totally random on Chim; A Hunter pet can intervene the first Double Strike during the feud phase, quite handy if you don't have Paladins for LoH. We've always used 2 1/2 tanks on 25 for him, 2 real tanks for Double Strike and a Frost DK or Ret Pally main tank.
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That only happens when you get in a good group, or just run it with friends. :P
Has the rotation for endgame DK been improved? I tried it out on my guy but it just didn't cut it. I was under DPSing most of the time.
And then Unholy happened.
Even with a good group or friends that shit is a god damn slog. But then I play a resto shaman and some of those fights are a giant fuck off.
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I feel sorry for the poor bastards who are trying to pug them. Especially the healers.
Yeah, the air phase is really stupid easy if you do it right. We set a strat of "Pre fight, pick a spot. That's your spot." The idea is wait for a modulation blast to hit your spot. Slliiiiddeeee to the left. Wait. Modulation Blast. Slllliiiiddeee to the right. Rinse. Repeat.
First couple of attempts?
At least half the raid was running around like retards. Me? I was just chilling back and forth and back and forth.
Of course, I learned the hard way you can't Feral Charge him. I wound up in his stomach when he casted modulation.
My guild still wipes to it at least a couple months after first getting it down since people just seem determined to fail.
Please tell me things get better going into Cata content.
Uh, I mean 4.1. Haha... of course I don't mean 4.2... of course now...
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I wouldn't know, because I got bored of my DK in Outland as frost spec.
DKs are actually among my least favorite classes. I was on board with them at first, but then I realized how much cooler shaman and warriors are.
It will, but not by a whole lot. The problem with older content is people see it as, well, older content, and think it can be breezed through as if a level 85 was taking them through the instance. In fact, I'm sure a lot of people playing the game have that happen for them so they don't really learn the whole cautionary side of running groups.
Also, new retarded thing discovered about MG: the Horde-side auction house has sharks that buy up recipes (and I'm talking about the 1 to 60 content recipes) and put them up for thousands of gold a piece. On the plus side, maybe I can get away with pricing shit for hundreds of gold instead.
I want to roll a healer just to watch them die. Maybe I will do that.