I feel bad for the people who get so mad at their games they'd lift this thing up and snap it over their knee.
Heh.
I've been playing through the Shiren the Wanderer game for the DS lately, and there's an NPC in there who eventually offers you bungee jumping. Before you can jump, you have to agree to a waiver saying that if something goes wrong and you die and lose everything on you, you won't throw your DS.
The "U" stands for "Unified". As in, it "unifies" traditional control with motion control (WiiPad + Wiimotes), computing power and mass appeal, hardcore and casual?.
I don't know about that last one.
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Yes, Reggie also mentioned that. But what it really means is "you".
It's not the outputting to multiple screens that is the issue; we already do that in the computer world easily, although the framerate blows.
The issue is rendering. Getting the engine to draw all the effects and what not. If the data gets post-processed and then shunted to the wireless instead of to the HDMI, then all the better.
Assuming WVGA once more, that's 409920 pixels.
1080p is 2073600 pixels, or a fair bit more than 4x the size. It's doable, assuming a lower resolution screen.
Pixel count isn't that great at estimating the processing demand, otherwise split screen wouldn't regularly cause LOD distances to shorten to a granny's baseball pitch. After all, it's exactly the same number of pixels.
But it's the type of risk you need to make to be successful.
Nintendo could probably survive on parents and Nintendo faithful alone, even on relatively weak hardware without any 3rd party support. It says a lot about Nintendo's corporate culture that they go out of the way to release stuff like the Wii which has the potential to really turn off a lot of people. Look at the transition from SNES --> N64 where Nintendo took the huge risk of turning people off to their major franchises by reinventing them all in 3D. Nintendo's actions right there basically made me quit console gaming for five years.
So it looks like the Wii2U is too the 360 what the Wii was to the Xbox. If so that's good news, because I don't need another 360 with a tablet controller and Zelda. Thanks for saving me $ Nintendo!
Yeah, that probably isn't the case.
There are strong hints that this is truly a next-gen console, being a generational leap graphicwise and otherwise when compared to 360 and PS3.
My thoughts on this is, why wouldn't they just flat out come and say that this is the case if it is. "Our new console has 5 times the processing power of the 360!" and then head off down their wonderful world of touchscreens tangent.
Yes, Reggie also mentioned that. But what it really means is "you".
Which is kind of silly in a way since when you say "we" you are including yourself as part of that group. When directed at you, Wii U (We You) sounds kind of odd, to me at least. I'm already part of the we, so why are you then making the distinction of you with just me after the saying of we . . . you know?
Unless, the name is meant to depict we but also you, who would actually be "them" to those who say "we." As in, you weren't part of the group, but now you are because this is for you too! I guess that might be what they are going for, but it gets confusing with Wii, Mii, and U. Also, having a Mii on the U sounds kind of suggestive in a way. At least they didn't call it the Nintendo Vagina though.
Or the U embodies the new controller and the person who uses it (you) and Wii symbolizes the poor chaps who have to make do with Wii remotes.
Hmm, that is a pretty good interpretation there.
Especially since those not playing with the new controller might accuse any person who hoards it of being a dick, and that is kind of what the U looks like in the Wii U logo.
"We're considering our options with maybe two screens," Eguchi told Kotaku, who said he considers multiple New Controller games to be "an interesting idea." That would mean games that used two new Wii U controllers. Eguchi's five-player prototype, here at E3, has one person using a new controller and four other people using Wii Remote-Nunchuck combos.
While Eguchi didn't explain why Nintendo isn't looking into four-new-controller gaming, it's possible that the Wii U couldn't output to four screens at once (plus a TV). It's also simply possible that Nintendo would find that configuration too pricey for its customers. Nintendo hasn't said what the new controller will cost. But Eguchi answered my question about whether gamers should be concerned about the controller's price by saying that "I do understand that if the price is too high that would be an obstacle."
So it looks like the Wii2U is too the 360 what the Wii was to the Xbox. If so that's good news, because I don't need another 360 with a tablet controller and Zelda. Thanks for saving me $ Nintendo!
Yeah, that probably isn't the case.
There are strong hints that this is truly a next-gen console, being a generational leap graphicwise and otherwise when compared to 360 and PS3.
My thoughts on this is, why wouldn't they just flat out come and say that this is the case if it is. "Our new console has 5 times the processing power of the 360!" and then head off down their wonderful world of touchscreens tangent.
Yeah, I kinda have the same thought. Who knows, maybe they'll completely blow us away at the Tokyo Game Show, but it seemed really strange that they focused solely on the controller. I mean, I can't be the only one confused on whether it was an add on or a console can I?
I would be curious to go back to the reveal of the E3 reveal of the Wii and see how they presented it.
So it looks like the Wii2U is too the 360 what the Wii was to the Xbox. If so that's good news, because I don't need another 360 with a tablet controller and Zelda. Thanks for saving me $ Nintendo!
Yeah, that probably isn't the case.
There are strong hints that this is truly a next-gen console, being a generational leap graphicwise and otherwise when compared to 360 and PS3.
My thoughts on this is, why wouldn't they just flat out come and say that this is the case if it is. "Our new console has 5 times the processing power of the 360!" and then head off down their wonderful world of touchscreens tangent.
Yeah, I kinda have the same thought. Who knows, maybe they'll completely blow us away at the Tokyo Game Show, but it seemed really strange that they focused solely on the controller. I mean, I can't be the only one confused on whether it was an add on or a console can I?
I would be curious to go back to the reveal of the E3 reveal of the Wii and see how they presented it.
They drew absolutely no attention to the hardware itself, but it was there.
And again, Nintendo doesn't release specs. The last time they released hard specs was back before the Gamecube was launched, in the final days of Yamauchi. The specs they announced were realistic, actually talking about the final output of the system, and they were insane (Rogue Leader proved that). But because Xbox and PS2 talked about raw calculations and untextured, unlit, unmodified triangles, they made it sound much, much more powerful. Nintendo carried that stigma all generation.
It's just like how Nintendo tends to talk about units sold whenever they can (though they may have fudged that with the 3DS), and Sony refuses to talk about anything other than units shipped.
I would be curious to go back to the reveal of the E3 reveal of the Wii and see how they presented it.
As I recall, it was in pretty much the same way they did here.
Show the name, show the controller, and let everyone wrap their head around the fact that it didn't fit the 'normal' controller shape.
Throw in a few example concepts, and that was it.
Then once the launch is getting closer, they get hands-on demos to as many sources as possible, so all the websites/TV channels/magazines are saying 'it's actually pretty fun'.
Yes, Reggie also mentioned that. But what it really means is "you".
Which is kind of silly in a way since when you say "we" you are including yourself as part of that group. When directed at you, Wii U (We You) sounds kind of odd, to me at least. I'm already part of the we, so why are you then making the distinction of you with just me after the saying of we . . . you know?
Unless, the name is meant to depict we but also you, who would actually be "them" to those who say "we." As in, you weren't part of the group, but now you are because this is for you too! I guess that might be what they are going for, but it gets confusing with Wii, Mii, and U. Also, having a Mii on the U sounds kind of suggestive in a way. At least they didn't call it the Nintendo Vagina though.
The way I saw it when I read about it was:
"We get to play casual games geared toward the whole family and parties, while you also get to play hardcore games online".
I kind of hehe'd this morning reading that Reggie admitted all their shots were from other systems after all the folks in the thread yesterday talking about how much better than the other systems they looked
bad name, not interested in ipad gaming. Nintendo when are you going to win me back
I kind of hehe'd this morning reading that Reggie admitted all their shots were from other systems after all the folks in the thread yesterday talking about how much better than the other systems they looked
I headdesked. They're all "lolwhut, this is like, eventually what we'll get stuff lookin like a year or two into development..."
It has nothing to do with the ipad, it's way better than that. ipad gaming means no buttons and that small screen is all you're looking at, it's not augmenting the regular TV screen.
The touch screen is only one small feature of the new controller, it's got every button third parties want in addition to motion sensing and a camera for good measure. The buttons alone put it far ahead of "ipad gaming."
Oh my God that thing is a mess. I can't imagine anyone over the age of 16 having one. How is that even remotely portable? Unless you walk around all day with a book bag you're not going to carry that.
Oh my God that thing is a mess. I can't imagine anyone over the age of 16 having one. How is that even remotely portable? Unless you walk around all day with a book bag you're not going to carry that.
What an absolute mess.
You carry video game controllers around in a book bag?
Oh my God that thing is a mess. I can't imagine anyone over the age of 16 having one. How is that even remotely portable? Unless you walk around all day with a book bag you're not going to carry that.
What an absolute mess.
You carry video game controllers around in a book bag?
Wait, what? That thing is a CONTROLLER? Buahahhahaa!
It has nothing to do with the ipad, it's way better than that. ipad gaming means no buttons and that small screen is all you're looking at, it's not augmenting the regular TV screen.
The touch screen is only one small feature of the new controller, it's got every button third parties want in addition to motion sensing and a camera for good measure. The buttons alone put it far ahead of "ipad gaming."
what the heck man? I love Zelda. LTTP is one of my favorite games. I'm just not really "up" on the latest Zelda offerings, and I'm not gonna buy an entire system + tablet to play it. jeez, take a chill pill.
Oh my God that thing is a mess. I can't imagine anyone over the age of 16 having one. How is that even remotely portable? Unless you walk around all day with a book bag you're not going to carry that.
What an absolute mess.
You carry video game controllers around in a book bag?
Wait, what? That thing is a CONTROLLER? Buahahhahaa!
Let me read this shit.
After such a wise and considered first impression, we will await your opinions on your return with bated breath.
It's weird for certain. But Nintendo has had the good fortune of making things that people love to copy so I expect to see controllers like this for the other systems in the future.
Then again, I guess it really shouldn't be too surprising that their home console would have a touchscreen and feature two screen gameplay. They've been doing it for years with their portables now and they probably figured that everyone wouldn't balk at the idea for home use of two screen like they would have before the Wii came out.
There was absolutely nothing in that E3 Demo that made me feel "Wow! I gotta have this new console" Except for that Zelda game... and it wasn't because of the controller.
And god damn, if developers start putting health bars or other frequently checked HUD features on the controller screen instead of the TV it's going to be a nightmare to constantly look up and down. .
There was absolutely nothing in that E3 Demo that made me feel "Wow! I gotta have this new console" Except for that Zelda game... and it wasn't because of the controller.
And god damn, if developers start putting health bars or other frequently checked HUD features on the controller screen instead of the TV it's going to be a nightmare to constantly look up and down. .
The tablet is supposed to supplement the Wii's current controllers. Not fully replace it.
There was absolutely nothing in that E3 Demo that made me feel "Wow! I gotta have this new console" Except for that Zelda game... and it wasn't because of the controller.
And god damn, if developers start putting health bars or other frequently checked HUD features on the controller screen instead of the TV it's going to be a nightmare to constantly look up and down. .
The tablet is supposed to supplement the Wii's current controllers. Not fully replace it.
So if I don't give a shit about the tablet I can just play each and every single game with regular wii controllers?
There was absolutely nothing in that E3 Demo that made me feel "Wow! I gotta have this new console" Except for that Zelda game... and it wasn't because of the controller.
And god damn, if developers start putting health bars or other frequently checked HUD features on the controller screen instead of the TV it's going to be a nightmare to constantly look up and down. .
The tablet is supposed to supplement the Wii's current controllers. Not fully replace it.
Actually I got the impression that the WiiU controller is supposed to be just for the WiiU, and will be the mainline controller.
All the Wii stuff they showed working with the screen controller is probably from using the WiiU console's backward compatibility. I doubt the new controller works with the Wii, but it'd be cool if it does.
So if I don't give a shit about the tablet I can just play each and every single game with regular wii controllers?
The Wii doesn't have enough buttons for most third party games. Maybe they'll let you use the classic controller, but they sure haven't jumped on that thus far (Assassin's Creed Wii using the CC, or anything).
There was absolutely nothing in that E3 Demo that made me feel "Wow! I gotta have this new console" Except for that Zelda game... and it wasn't because of the controller.
And god damn, if developers start putting health bars or other frequently checked HUD features on the controller screen instead of the TV it's going to be a nightmare to constantly look up and down. .
The tablet is supposed to supplement the Wii's current controllers. Not fully replace it.
So if I don't give a shit about the tablet I can just play each and every single game with regular wii controllers?
I'm not sure I'd be willing to say that. However I am willing to bet that many of the "hardcore" games that people are asking for will use the tablet in a very minimal way. I doubt you'll actually be doing every part of every gaming with the tablet.
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The "U" stands for "Unified". As in, it "unifies" traditional control with motion control (WiiPad + Wiimotes), computing power and mass appeal, hardcore and casual?.
I don't know about that last one.
Oh. That's what I get for not watching the conference itself...
Nintendo could probably survive on parents and Nintendo faithful alone, even on relatively weak hardware without any 3rd party support. It says a lot about Nintendo's corporate culture that they go out of the way to release stuff like the Wii which has the potential to really turn off a lot of people. Look at the transition from SNES --> N64 where Nintendo took the huge risk of turning people off to their major franchises by reinventing them all in 3D. Nintendo's actions right there basically made me quit console gaming for five years.
My thoughts on this is, why wouldn't they just flat out come and say that this is the case if it is. "Our new console has 5 times the processing power of the 360!" and then head off down their wonderful world of touchscreens tangent.
Which is kind of silly in a way since when you say "we" you are including yourself as part of that group. When directed at you, Wii U (We You) sounds kind of odd, to me at least. I'm already part of the we, so why are you then making the distinction of you with just me after the saying of we . . . you know?
Unless, the name is meant to depict we but also you, who would actually be "them" to those who say "we." As in, you weren't part of the group, but now you are because this is for you too! I guess that might be what they are going for, but it gets confusing with Wii, Mii, and U. Also, having a Mii on the U sounds kind of suggestive in a way. At least they didn't call it the Nintendo Vagina though.
Weeee!
Hmm, that is a pretty good interpretation there.
Especially since those not playing with the new controller might accuse any person who hoards it of being a dick, and that is kind of what the U looks like in the Wii U logo.
The discs are 25 GB.
http://kotaku.com/5809706/nintendo-looking-into-games-that-support-two-new-controllers
This is a Nintendo product, not S-E.
Yeah, I kinda have the same thought. Who knows, maybe they'll completely blow us away at the Tokyo Game Show, but it seemed really strange that they focused solely on the controller. I mean, I can't be the only one confused on whether it was an add on or a console can I?
I would be curious to go back to the reveal of the E3 reveal of the Wii and see how they presented it.
They drew absolutely no attention to the hardware itself, but it was there.
And again, Nintendo doesn't release specs. The last time they released hard specs was back before the Gamecube was launched, in the final days of Yamauchi. The specs they announced were realistic, actually talking about the final output of the system, and they were insane (Rogue Leader proved that). But because Xbox and PS2 talked about raw calculations and untextured, unlit, unmodified triangles, they made it sound much, much more powerful. Nintendo carried that stigma all generation.
It's just like how Nintendo tends to talk about units sold whenever they can (though they may have fudged that with the 3DS), and Sony refuses to talk about anything other than units shipped.
As I recall, it was in pretty much the same way they did here.
Show the name, show the controller, and let everyone wrap their head around the fact that it didn't fit the 'normal' controller shape.
Throw in a few example concepts, and that was it.
Then once the launch is getting closer, they get hands-on demos to as many sources as possible, so all the websites/TV channels/magazines are saying 'it's actually pretty fun'.
The way I saw it when I read about it was:
"We get to play casual games geared toward the whole family and parties, while you also get to play hardcore games online".
And... leaving the room?
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I headdesked. They're all "lolwhut, this is like, eventually what we'll get stuff lookin like a year or two into development..."
The touch screen is only one small feature of the new controller, it's got every button third parties want in addition to motion sensing and a camera for good measure. The buttons alone put it far ahead of "ipad gaming."
Also this isn't on someone else's system:
What an absolute mess.
You carry video game controllers around in a book bag?
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Wait, what? That thing is a CONTROLLER? Buahahhahaa!
Let me read this shit.
what the heck man? I love Zelda. LTTP is one of my favorite games. I'm just not really "up" on the latest Zelda offerings, and I'm not gonna buy an entire system + tablet to play it. jeez, take a chill pill.
What the heck? Why?
After such a wise and considered first impression, we will await your opinions on your return with bated breath.
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Then again, I guess it really shouldn't be too surprising that their home console would have a touchscreen and feature two screen gameplay. They've been doing it for years with their portables now and they probably figured that everyone wouldn't balk at the idea for home use of two screen like they would have before the Wii came out.
And god damn, if developers start putting health bars or other frequently checked HUD features on the controller screen instead of the TV it's going to be a nightmare to constantly look up and down. .
The tablet is supposed to supplement the Wii's current controllers. Not fully replace it.
So if I don't give a shit about the tablet I can just play each and every single game with regular wii controllers?
Actually I got the impression that the WiiU controller is supposed to be just for the WiiU, and will be the mainline controller.
All the Wii stuff they showed working with the screen controller is probably from using the WiiU console's backward compatibility. I doubt the new controller works with the Wii, but it'd be cool if it does.
The Wii doesn't have enough buttons for most third party games. Maybe they'll let you use the classic controller, but they sure haven't jumped on that thus far (Assassin's Creed Wii using the CC, or anything).
I'm not sure I'd be willing to say that. However I am willing to bet that many of the "hardcore" games that people are asking for will use the tablet in a very minimal way. I doubt you'll actually be doing every part of every gaming with the tablet.