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I don't know how to use apostrophes

SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG!Registered User regular
edited April 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
I've perused the rules of apostrophes and well what I want to know isn't included there, so I'm guessing it's wrong. But if it's not, I would like to know if someone here can help me:

John is a hipster. --> John's a hipster.

Is this incorrect?

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    wait, I can't read. It's correct

    ed: also rule #1 from that site answered your question

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Argh, I didn't see the "She's a great teacher" example, I mean the whole thing is obvious but some douche called me out on it, and he poisoned my brain with doubt.

    Great thanks!

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yeah, its a contraction like any other. However, as is the norm with the English language, there is an exception:

    It's = possessive
    Its = contraction of 'it is'

    I had trouble with the above for years.

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  • wonderpugwonderpug Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Yeah, its a contraction like any other. However, as is the norm with the English language, there is an exception:

    It's = possessive
    Its = contraction of 'it is'

    I had trouble with the above for years.

    That's incorrect.

    his hat is big
    her hat is big
    its hat is big

    No apostrophe for any of those possessives

    He is going = He's going
    she is going = she's going
    it is going = it's going

    contraction does have apostrophe

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited April 2011
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Yeah, its a contraction like any other. However, as is the norm with the English language, there is an exception:

    It's = possessive
    Its = contraction of 'it is'

    I had trouble with the above for years.
    Apparently, you still have trouble with it. *grin*

    The word "its" is a possessive. "It did not know its own error."

    The word "it's" with an apostrophe is "it is" as a contraction. "It's an extremely common error."

    The confusion may be with the fact that most possessives are indicated with an apostrophe. For example:
    "Chris Redfield's muscles are enormously huge. He must take steroids."

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  • TechBoyTechBoy Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    http://blog.writersdigest.com/qq/Contractions+With+Proper+Nouns+Brians+A+Baseball+Fan.aspx

    Yep, grammatically you're in the clear.

    Though stylistically, I would refrain from using an "is" contraction with a proper noun in writing. It sounds fine in speech, but in writing in just looks... wrong.

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  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    TechBoy wrote: »
    Though stylistically, I would refrain from using an "is" contraction with a proper noun in writing. It sounds fine in speech, but in writing in just looks... wrong.

    I agree. I just changed a "which's" to "which is" like ten minutes ago, in fact. It's technically okay, but that doesn't mean people won't read it wrong.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    riz wrote: »
    TechBoy wrote: »
    Though stylistically, I would refrain from using an "is" contraction with a proper noun in writing. It sounds fine in speech, but in writing in just looks... wrong.

    I agree. I just changed a "which's" to "which is" like ten minutes ago, in fact. It's technically okay, but that doesn't mean people won't read it wrong.

    I'm pretty sure that (which's) is not okay. Some words just don't contract well even if we've gotten lazy and slur them together in common speech.

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    jclast wrote: »
    riz wrote: »
    TechBoy wrote: »
    Though stylistically, I would refrain from using an "is" contraction with a proper noun in writing. It sounds fine in speech, but in writing in just looks... wrong.

    I agree. I just changed a "which's" to "which is" like ten minutes ago, in fact. It's technically okay, but that doesn't mean people won't read it wrong.

    I'm pretty sure that (which's) is not okay. Some words just don't contract well even if we've gotten lazy and slur them together in common speech.

    That would be extremely informal, but I can't find a source to say it is flat out wrong. I certainly wouldn't use it in any scholarly writing.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I think Bob The Angry Flower has all the answers you need...

    Apostrophes in general...
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    It's vs. Its
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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Easy way to remember its vs. it's without a mediocre cartoon flower: there is not a single pronoun in the English language which uses an apostrophe in the possessive form.

    This is MY car.
    This is YOUR car.
    This is HIS car
    This is HER car.
    This is OUR car
    This is THEIR car.

    See? Nary an apostrophe to be found. Likewise the 3rd person gender-neutral pronoun "it" doesn't use an apostrophe, either:

    The knife has lost ITS edge.

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  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Everybody, somebody, anybody and nobody are all pronouns that take an apostrophe in the possessive.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Sorry, I meant personal pronouns. Indefinite pronouns do function more like regular nouns.

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  • President RexPresident Rex Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    It's its.

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  • Roland_tHTGRoland_tHTG Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc2aSz9Ficw

    The best simple rule I ever heard regarding the apostrophes is when in doubt, leave it out.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    If John is an elf or otherwise immersed in a fantasy universe, the correct punctuation is going to be something like "J'hon is a h'i'pst'r."

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    What the shit?

    The worst part is my trouble came from someone questioning my use of apostrophes a long time ago. I thought I had it wired. Now I'm going to be paranoid about this for the rest of my life.

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  • wonderpugwonderpug Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    It's rules can be confusing, so its not your fault.

    edit: thought I'd explicitly mark this as improper apostrophe use to be sure the gag doesn't further confuse people

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Nova_C wrote: »
    What the shit?

    The worst part is my trouble came from someone questioning my use of apostrophes a long time ago. I thought I had it wired. Now I'm going to be paranoid about this for the rest of my life.

    As you should be.

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  • TwoQuestionsTwoQuestions Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe

    For a more visual explanation, and the Oatmeal is awesome

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    So, is "John's a hipster" correct but weird sounding?

    "When in doubt don't use an apostrophe"

    I guess I wont use it then :P

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'm not sure what's weird sounding about it

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  • TechBoyTechBoy Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    It's not weird sounding, it's weird looking.

    99% of the time in writing, when you see NAME-'-S it's used in the possessive.

    The President's speech was good. Bob's Car Lot is kind of sketch. I hate Mary's intergalactic shipping company.

    So when you write "John's a hipster", my brain goes "John" has an "a hipster"? What the hell does that even... oh, John IS a hipster.

    It's not that you're wrong and can't write it that way, it's just that it throws people's brains for a small loop because it's relatively unusual to see NAME-'-S due to a contraction and not a possessive.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    that's what trips people up with its/it's too, really. We don't really see nongendered possessives very often, but we contract 'it is' all the time.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited April 2011
    "John's a hipster" isn't weird-sounding at all, at least to me. If you are writing this phrase, you can always just break it down from the contraction to "John is a hipster" and people really won't care. If you are writing dialogue, it might be a consideration.

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  • RendRend Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Yeah, its a contraction like any other. However, as is the norm with the English language, there is an exception:

    It's = possessive
    Its = contraction of 'it is'

    I had trouble with the above for years.
    :whistle:
    Ooooh, if you want it to be possessive- it's just I-T-S,
    and if you want it to be a contraction then it's I-T-apostrophe-S...!

    :whistle:
    ...scalawag! :whistle:

    Rend on
  • BagginsesBagginses __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    Rend wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Yeah, its a contraction like any other. However, as is the norm with the English language, there is an exception:

    It's = possessive
    Its = contraction of 'it is'

    I had trouble with the above for years.
    :whistle:
    Ooooh, if you want it to be possessive- it's just I-T-S,
    and if you want it to be a contraction then it's I-T-apostrophe-S...!

    :whistle:
    ...scalawag! :whistle:

    What about when I'm using "it" as an abbreviation of "Italy?"

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  • RendRend Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Bagginses wrote: »
    Rend wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Yeah, its a contraction like any other. However, as is the norm with the English language, there is an exception:

    It's = possessive
    Its = contraction of 'it is'

    I had trouble with the above for years.
    :whistle:
    Ooooh, if you want it to be possessive- it's just I-T-S,
    and if you want it to be a contraction then it's I-T-apostrophe-S...!

    :whistle:
    ...scalawag! :whistle:

    What about when I'm using "it" as an abbreviation of "Italy?"

    Strong Bad's Rhythm and Grammar did not teach me such minutia. Thus, it is probably unimportant.

    Rend on
  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    "John's a hipster" isn't weird-sounding at all, at least to me. If you are writing this phrase, you can always just break it down from the contraction to "John is a hipster" and people really won't care. If you are writing dialogue, it might be a consideration.

    I rather like the two trochaic feet of "John's a hipster," personally.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    "John's a hipster" isn't weird-sounding at all, at least to me. If you are writing this phrase, you can always just break it down from the contraction to "John is a hipster" and people really won't care. If you are writing dialogue, it might be a consideration.

    Writing for dialog is different from writing for anything else because you are going out of your way to write imporperly to mimic the way we speak. The problem with "John's a hipster" isn't that it sounds strange. It sounds perfectly natural because of the way we naturally slur words together when we speak. Everybody does it. That's why one of the few phrases I remember from my years of taking German in high school and college is "Sprechen Sie doch langsam, bitte" which means "Speak slowly, please." You're jamming words together with no regard for how they look when written because you inplicitly thrust those you are talking to to glean the missing pieces from context. You don't always have that luxury when writing so things like contracting everyting to "is" doesn't fly when writing for anything that is not dialog.

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