My only concern is if there is going to be a way to automate your traders, or if trading is going to always be hands on.
its actually the only serious gameplay concern I have about the game
So far it looks like you have to manually do every trade. The Trade software just lets you see what every station in the area is selling (that you have discovered).
The problem is that trades will bug if the price changed while it was in the ship's queue.
From what I read from the devs, once you queue it up you've essentially set a contract and prices won't change.
I enjoy reading but am dismayed at the thought of having to manually do it every time. And is there any real reason I should be looting these lockers/boxes? Are they really worth the profit for the hassle of finding the right vendor to buy it?
My only concern is if there is going to be a way to automate your traders, or if trading is going to always be hands on.
its actually the only serious gameplay concern I have about the game
So far it looks like you have to manually do every trade. The Trade software just lets you see what every station in the area is selling (that you have discovered).
The problem is that trades will bug if the price changed while it was in the ship's queue.
From what I read from the devs, once you queue it up you've essentially set a contract and prices won't change.
I enjoy reading but am dismayed at the thought of having to manually do it every time. And is there any real reason I should be looting these lockers/boxes? Are they really worth the profit for the hassle of finding the right vendor to buy it?
Maybe. I have made a bunch of money selling to the traders inside the stations, but haven't payed enough attention to see if what I'm selling them is from the boxes or from long range scanning.
My only concern is if there is going to be a way to automate your traders, or if trading is going to always be hands on.
its actually the only serious gameplay concern I have about the game
So far it looks like you have to manually do every trade. The Trade software just lets you see what every station in the area is selling (that you have discovered).
The problem is that trades will bug if the price changed while it was in the ship's queue.
Yeah, the dev posts said they don't want you automating trade to rake in money, hence the hard cap on trading 'actions'
I can see the sentiment in wanting players to maintain a hands approach, but with the clumsy interface and awkward ai it's frustrating a best.
Isn't that the point of the X genre?
be whatever you want from merchant empire to freelancer...just what the hell did they want rebirth to be? because it's not what they advertised it as.
My only concern is if there is going to be a way to automate your traders, or if trading is going to always be hands on.
its actually the only serious gameplay concern I have about the game
So far it looks like you have to manually do every trade. The Trade software just lets you see what every station in the area is selling (that you have discovered).
The problem is that trades will bug if the price changed while it was in the ship's queue.
Yeah, the dev posts said they don't want you automating trade to rake in money, hence the hard cap on trading 'actions'
I can see the sentiment in wanting players to maintain a hands approach, but with the clumsy interface and awkward ai it's frustrating a best.
Isn't that the point of the X genre?
be whatever you want from merchant empire to freelancer...just what the hell did they want rebirth to be? because it's not what they advertised it as.
I think the idea is that you actually have to play the game to be a merchant.
I'm not saying the X:Rebirth system is the answer, but you know something is wrong in the other X games, when the merchant goal is to get a system that does the trading for you, so you can just speed up time and rake in the money while you are at work or sleeping.
Are captains now 12 year olds, why should I need to tell them to run a trade route constantly...through that terrible interface, and hope absolutely none of the variables change and kill the ai.
Even discounting the bugs that's a god awful system for a simulation game.
This is all dissappointing. I'm really glad I was able to resist my urge to buy the game on launch
don't listen to the vocal minority, its a good game. but like all games it has issues at launch, people like to act like its some big deal and that egosoft are terrorists out to destroy gaming but even AAA titles from the big name companies all to often come with bullshit bugs day one
The worst one, the CTD at start, was fixed within hours of launch.
Yeah so I gave this game one last shot and tried to continue the campaign. That was a mistake as I've officially encountered my 6th game breaking bug in 16 hours of gameplay. You are deluding yourself if you think the game is even remotely acceptable in its current state. Egosoft has burned a bridge with me and it's going to take a lot of work on their part to ever get me back as a customer.
To anyone sitting on the fence: Go find something better to play. Maybe after Egosoft sees fit to fix this mess it'll be worth buying. As of right now it is not.
This is all dissappointing. I'm really glad I was able to resist my urge to buy the game on launch
don't listen to the vocal minority, its a good game. but like all games it has issues at launch, people like to act like its some big deal and that egosoft are terrorists out to destroy gaming but even AAA titles from the big name companies all to often come with bullshit bugs day one
The worst one, the CTD at start, was fixed within hours of launch.
Yeah so I gave this game one last shot and tried to continue the campaign. That was a mistake as I've officially encountered my 6th game breaking bug in 16 hours of gameplay. You are deluding yourself if you think the game is even remotely acceptable in its current state. Egosoft has burned a bridge with me and it's going to take a lot of work on their part to ever get me back as a customer.
To anyone sitting on the fence: Go find something better to play. Maybe after Egosoft sees fit to fix this mess it'll be worth buying. As of right now it is not.
Even without the bugs this probably still isn't the game people would be looking for. It's certainly not the one the steam page seems to imply, I'd say get it's predecessors or wait for star citizen, and prey you don't get shafted by it to. A growing trend these days.
This is all dissappointing. I'm really glad I was able to resist my urge to buy the game on launch
don't listen to the vocal minority, its a good game. but like all games it has issues at launch, people like to act like its some big deal and that egosoft are terrorists out to destroy gaming but even AAA titles from the big name companies all to often come with bullshit bugs day one
The worst one, the CTD at start, was fixed within hours of launch.
Yeah so I gave this game one last shot and tried to continue the campaign. That was a mistake as I've officially encountered my 6th game breaking bug in 16 hours of gameplay. You are deluding yourself if you think the game is even remotely acceptable in its current state. Egosoft has burned a bridge with me and it's going to take a lot of work on their part to ever get me back as a customer.
To anyone sitting on the fence: Go find something better to play. Maybe after Egosoft sees fit to fix this mess it'll be worth buying. As of right now it is not.
It depends on your luck. I'm 10 hours in and haven't come across anything that break the campaign. I've had one crash, one bug that required me to save and restart the game, and one really bad framerate drop that required me to leave/reenter the system. I know I shouldn't assume that just because it works for me that it should work for everyone else... but it work the other way around too.
This is all dissappointing. I'm really glad I was able to resist my urge to buy the game on launch
don't listen to the vocal minority, its a good game. but like all games it has issues at launch, people like to act like its some big deal and that egosoft are terrorists out to destroy gaming but even AAA titles from the big name companies all to often come with bullshit bugs day one
The worst one, the CTD at start, was fixed within hours of launch.
Yeah so I gave this game one last shot and tried to continue the campaign. That was a mistake as I've officially encountered my 6th game breaking bug in 16 hours of gameplay. You are deluding yourself if you think the game is even remotely acceptable in its current state. Egosoft has burned a bridge with me and it's going to take a lot of work on their part to ever get me back as a customer.
To anyone sitting on the fence: Go find something better to play. Maybe after Egosoft sees fit to fix this mess it'll be worth buying. As of right now it is not.
It depends on your luck. I'm 10 hours in and haven't come across anything that break the campaign. I've had one crash, one bug that required me to save and restart the game, and one really bad framerate drop that required me to leave/reenter the system. I know I shouldn't assume that just because it works for me that it should work for everyone else... but it work the other way around too.
Yeah, besides the Teladi eyeballs rolling back in their sockets I haven't encountered any other bugs at all and everything has been going fine for me.
Well most of the fun in an X game is slowly building your own giant space empire of ships and stations, then starting a terrible war! I have yet to hear of anyone successfully doing this in XR, but I remain hopeful.
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I just realized I'm at fault. I thought I was buying the successor to X3, and come to find out, from what I read while trying to figure out the proper edits to the save file from the Egosoft Forum, that the Dev's are saying that it's Not? The game so far has been mildly fun for me, and I'm sure others will enjoy it, but I bought it believing I was going to get the depth that I had in X3.
Right now I'm feeling a bit torn... continue to play or wait till patches fix up some of the other problems, or Mods do what they can?
Sorry for the rant, if you enjoy it, then continue on and ignore me.
Apparently that's the latest thing yeh, it wasn't meant to be a continuation of the x series. It's a stand alone thing. I've never wanted a refund more then right now.
Apparently that's the latest thing yeh, it wasn't meant to be a continuation of the x series. It's a stand alone thing. I've never wanted a refund more then right now.
Beyond the xbox code, and the supposed "not a continuation of X3", I read there may be a X4 that will be a continuation of X3? of course, none of these things are substantiated at all, but still make me wonder.
Apparently that's the latest thing yeh, it wasn't meant to be a continuation of the x series. It's a stand alone thing. I've never wanted a refund more then right now.
Beyond the xbox code, and the supposed "not a continuation of X3", I read there may be a X4 that will be a continuation of X3? of course, none of these things are substantiated at all, but still make me wonder.
So, two things.
If this ISN'T a sequel to the X games, then they needed to be WAY clearer about this. Because that, that right there, makes me want a refund more than anything else. Because that, specifically, means that they plan to NEVER add in the stuff that is missing.
And if there IS an X4 coming after this, I sure as hell am not buying it.
I hate to be that guy but the more I read about this the crankier I am. Because this being the dumbed-down 'console X-game' explains ALL the problems we're seeing with the design right now.
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There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Apparently that's the latest thing yeh, it wasn't meant to be a continuation of the x series. It's a stand alone thing. I've never wanted a refund more then right now.
Beyond the xbox code, and the supposed "not a continuation of X3", I read there may be a X4 that will be a continuation of X3? of course, none of these things are substantiated at all, but still make me wonder.
So, two things.
If this ISN'T a sequel to the X games, then they needed to be WAY clearer about this. Because that, that right there, makes me want a refund more than anything else. Because that, specifically, means that they plan to NEVER add in the stuff that is missing.
And if there IS an X4 coming after this, I sure as hell am not buying it.
I hate to be that guy but the more I read about this the crankier I am. Because this being the dumbed-down 'console X-game' explains ALL the problems we're seeing with the design right now.
Reading the commented code leaves very little doubt that it's a failed console game ported to pc. As for the comment I can't find the quote though I believe it's attributed to some guy named bernd lehahn, I can't find the quote but given some of there other comments and posts they've made on the steam forums It doesn't surprise me in the least.
Like the dev posting a screeny of his rahahana picking up the energy cells for the campaign mission, I thought that was pretty classy.
I wonder what would of possessed them to even try to do a console X game though. This series thrives on things that the consoles can't do and they have to know by now that they're not the sorta dev team that can put out a totally functioning game right out of the gate for a console oriented audience.
So if we were to request a refund from Steam, how would we do it? I know it will almost certainly not be granted, but with all that's come to light, I feel like it's important I do it, just so the request is there.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
As far as I know you can only get in touch with steam support through there site...I certainly can't find a number or email, so you'd have to stretch the truth a bit on why you need to contact them through there online form and hope they don't reject it out of hand.
And even then they've only offered refunds on one game post release.
Finally found the quote from Bernd on Egosoft Forums
The answer to this is complicated: Of course we do not intentionally alienate old fans. But X Rebirth is not X4 for a reason. I know many of you would have preferred a true X4 where we just take X3 and make it better, add more on top.
Actually you can believe me that I wished many times in the past 7 years we would have done just that. Not because I lost faith in the different design goals of X Rebirth, but because of the financial risk in developing this huge monster over 7 years.
Anyway... Of course we will also improve the AI and add more possibilities to control your ships. However the goal is to not achieve this with just adding more and more command options.
Once you add a ship to another captains command hierarchy for example, you have no direct control over that ship anymore. The player only interacts with the top level commanders and they should deal with the ones bellow. Maybe we will add more micro management options e.g allowing you to tell the captain how to group his subordinates into squads etc. but you will not have a long list of AI modes for every ship in every squad.
That being said, my long term goal for giving you more control also over fights would be a more strategic interface. One where you can plan a battle more than just instructing individual ships. But this is definitely one of the bigger tasks and not part of these immediate things we are now working on.
So depressed. The graphics are great, I even like the Skunk (honestly once I found the 'best' fighter to suit my needs in X3 I never switched back out of it). The cockpit is cool, and now that she's not yelling at Betty all the time even Yisha doesn't bug me too much.
But no automatic trading, no useful targeting system, a tiny chunk of the space in previous games... there's just too much missing that they aren't going to be able to fix. These aren't bugs, they're flaws in the fundamental design.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Again, I'm not speaking for those that enjoy the game, but I feel like I was not given what I was told I would when I made my purchase. Yeah, it's on me for pre-ordering and trusting in the developer. I'm uninstalling it for the near future and have submitted a ticket with steam support for a refund though I don't expect one.
Again, I'm not speaking for those that enjoy the game, but I feel like I was not given what I was told I would when I made my purchase. Yeah, it's on me for pre-ordering and trusting in the developer. I'm uninstalling it for the near future and have submitted a ticket with steam support for a refund though I don't expect one.
I was enjoying the game, honestly. But I was also waiting for it to blossom out into the larger universe with fleets of ships, traders running around automatically, etc... and it's become apparent that isn't going to happen.
Are there even other aliens in the game besides the Teladi and the Split? (and honestly, that Split dude was hard to find, buried in the admin office of a backwater station)
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I've gotten at least two refunds from Steam that I can remember. Last one was Doom 3 BFG edition, basically for being a pile of shit that didn't work properly.
Again, I'm not speaking for those that enjoy the game, but I feel like I was not given what I was told I would when I made my purchase. Yeah, it's on me for pre-ordering and trusting in the developer. I'm uninstalling it for the near future and have submitted a ticket with steam support for a refund though I don't expect one.
I was enjoying the game, honestly. But I was also waiting for it to blossom out into the larger universe with fleets of ships, traders running around automatically, etc... and it's become apparent that isn't going to happen.
Are there even other aliens in the game besides the Teladi and the Split? (and honestly, that Split dude was hard to find, buried in the admin office of a backwater station)
I read that they removed the alien races, only Humanoid/Human-lookin remain.
Again, I'm not speaking for those that enjoy the game, but I feel like I was not given what I was told I would when I made my purchase. Yeah, it's on me for pre-ordering and trusting in the developer. I'm uninstalling it for the near future and have submitted a ticket with steam support for a refund though I don't expect one.
I was enjoying the game, honestly. But I was also waiting for it to blossom out into the larger universe with fleets of ships, traders running around automatically, etc... and it's become apparent that isn't going to happen.
Are there even other aliens in the game besides the Teladi and the Split? (and honestly, that Split dude was hard to find, buried in the admin office of a backwater station)
I read that they removed the alien races, only Humanoid/Human-lookin remain.
Yeah the Split just looks like a green dude with no nose and a pervy mustache.
I am probably going to get around to playing AP now, though. I was waiting for Rebirth instead but I've already deleted it. I'll miss the boost and highways. SETA was never my favorite feature.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I wonder what would of possessed them to even try to do a console X game though. This series thrives on things that the consoles can't do and they have to know by now that they're not the sorta dev team that can put out a totally functioning game right out of the gate for a console oriented audience.
Basically, One of the X3 games (X3TR?) didn't do very well. At the same time, the 360 was the new hot shit in the development communities, and there were all these stories about people porting PC classics to the 360 and making platinum encrusted moneyhats doing so.
The general theory is that they attempted to cash in on this, XR completely failed the 360 QA process, and they had to abort and port it to the PC to recoup some investment costs.
This is the Fallout Brotherhood of Steel of the X series.
Now, here's the really worrying thing:
If we're EVER to see a X4 or even an X Rebirth 2 or whatnot... We have to support them, at least a little bit, in this. Yes, XR is a complete mess. Is it fixable? I think so, maybe. What won't be fixable is if XR ruins them financially and EA / 2K / what have you swoops in and firesales them. XR being a complete bomb will almost definitely end up with that happening.
Having said that, they need to change whatever dev culture they have over there that suggests automation is a bad thing, though. And they need to change it now. The "We'll add Autopilot, if we have too, I guess.... Whatever...." style postings are silly. Are the devs that posted that people they hired for the console game, or are they X vets? Because if they're X vets, they clearly played X3 in a way I sure as hell didn't.
Not a fan of rewarding this kind of launch, let alone the direction they went with it and all the cloak and dagger secrecy. If I can get a refund I damn well will and they've lost me as a customer. They're certainly not the only name in the genre atm and I don't have to pin my 4x hopes on them anymore.
Not a fan of rewarding this kind of launch, let alone the direction they went with it and all the cloak and dagger secrecy. If I can get a refund I damn well will and they've lost me as a customer. They're certainly not the only name in the genre atm and I don't have to pin my 4x hopes on them anymore.
I think if they'd said, when promoting it, what it was... a smaller version of the game designed for consoles to handle, but now they were putting it out on PC... I might still have bought it. But that's not what they did, obviously.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I am officially putting the game on hold for now. There is no way to command your fleet to do anything besides follow you or fly to a system. The automated repair does not work so if you capture a cap ship and break the engines it is stuck. Allied/neutral NPC ships will not attack their enemies unless you can get the enemy to hit them accidentally as they are shooting at you. Give this game some time folks. I like station walking. Here's my wishlist: 1. Fix the AI, trade, combat, navigation, drones, all of it is not working correctly 2. Add at least basic fleet commands and the ability to manipulate the trade queue 3. Different icons for different kinds of ships 4. Ability to set the MFD (multifunction display) mode to various modes with a RADAR mode added 5. Make it easier to target enemy ships 6. Make the AI escalate their response if you're wrecking their stuff in their space and they have available assets, add similar functionality to your assets/station managers. If you're killing their fighters they should move fighters and then cap ships in from nearby to assist in their defense same with your stuff/allied/neutral zones. Right now I'm enemies with PMC and I kill their 2 fighters and then that is it. 7. Have commodities trading (ie like entertainment consoles/spaceflies) follow rules of supply and demand with simulated trading, perhaps even assign the trade NPCs to some of the random ships out in the world and have them move around. Right now the prices are randomly generated from an average.
I had a blast playing up until this point but when I realized I couldn't command my stolen capship (from plot) I decided to wait. They can easily make X Rebirth a great game. I never saw any of the hype so perhaps that is why I am not bitter. Most of my suggestions are already in the game in some reduced, disabled, or dysfunctional form. They just need to finish and activate them.
I am super bummed about what I'm reading here and on the Egosoft forums. I was giddy with excitement about its release, but it sounds like it's just a shell of a game. Hopefully the community can mod in some fixes and then I may pick it up during a sale.
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Yeah I don't mind the design decisions they made to change this from the other X games. The big problem is that none of it fucking works. You can still build a trade empire, manage a space station, and control a fleet. But all of those things I just listed are bugged to shit. Almost every aspect of the game is bugged in some way, from trade AI being broken, to your crew not working, to objectives not fulfilling. It's mind boggling that it was released in such a state. Managing trade manually isn't such a bad deal, but you should be able to queue up an entire trade run. ie: tell your freighter you want them to pick up 3500 tons of freight from here, and deliver 2000 to Y and 1500 to Z, then at Z pick up 2000 tons of these things and bring them back to the first station. That should be one entire order. That you have to wait for the ship to finish step one before you can order it for step two is stupid.
Targetting and your HUD generally need to be revamped but those are at least not game breaking. I personally like the game better than the previous X games which I've been unable to successfully navigate or play or at all get engrossed in, but in its current state, X:R just doesn't work at the most basic level.
So I capture a ship and it sits there without a commander. No big deal since I wanted to sell it anyway. Only .. the only ship dealers in the area (only ones I have found up to this point) wont talk to me.
After giving up I left the ship behind and fly to DeVries. At some point I figured I might as well get on the com and ask where a ship dealer is.. I was shocked when I actually got the guidance (unlike those jerks in albion who refused to tell me where one was). I was even more surprised when I found out I could sell my ship that was sitting dead in the water in another cluster to this sucker for over 4million.
Easy way to get a ship to capture - "cartel boss" kill missions
Well in lieu of playing rebirth since it makes it very hard to love at the moment, I've gone back to albion prelude.
I am now the proud owner of:
1x mammoth
2x ore mine l
2x silicon mine l
1x solar power plant xl
2x cahoona bakery l
2x argnu beef l
2x crystal fab l
3x laser tower factories
1x advanced satellite factory
and about 30 million in liquid assets, plus a handful of CAGs and traders, and my centaur.
feels good to run a space empire. Setting up the spacefuel/weed hub in a pirate sector I found, already deployed 50 laser towers to beat back any pirates that come to fuck with my business
I knew it would be fewer because they sort of made each 'sector' the equivalent of a star system, but that's just sad.
I assume we'll learn later there were more systems planned but they had to cut back for launch because they weren't as polished as the ones we got. The areas that are there I rather like, even if they are just clusters of 2-3 stations, it's just there should be a lot more of it.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
This is all dissappointing. I'm really glad I was able to resist my urge to buy the game on launch
don't listen to the vocal minority, its a good game. but like all games it has issues at launch, people like to act like its some big deal and that egosoft are terrorists out to destroy gaming but even AAA titles from the big name companies all to often come with bullshit bugs day one
The worst one, the CTD at start, was fixed within hours of launch.
Yeah so I gave this game one last shot and tried to continue the campaign. That was a mistake as I've officially encountered my 6th game breaking bug in 16 hours of gameplay. You are deluding yourself if you think the game is even remotely acceptable in its current state. Egosoft has burned a bridge with me and it's going to take a lot of work on their part to ever get me back as a customer.
To anyone sitting on the fence: Go find something better to play. Maybe after Egosoft sees fit to fix this mess it'll be worth buying. As of right now it is not.
Who said anything about acceptable? Its a big game launch, of course there are going to be issues that need addressing and dealt with. Which is what egosoft is doing.
There is fun to be had, lots of fun. Is it perfect? No, Does it need several fixes? Yes, that doesn't mean there isn't fun to be had with it. .
I don't know what it is about egosoft, I don't remember this level of rage with all the game breaking issues that were in other games at launch.
I doubt you were paying as much attention then, although this being yet another terrible launch you're going to get the straw that broke the camels back.
There's also the fact that it's not just the game breaking bugs, it's the game design itself. This is like X - light...with annoying interfaces smoke and mirrors instead of true simulation in many areas.
It's just not what is being advertised even now on it's steam page.
but seriously I'm not see'ing the rage you're speaking of, people have been surprisingly calm and have just been relaying there exp with the game. If you're having fun great, evidently some aren't.
Upon further inspection this game does appear to be a bit of a broken consolized mess. It's starting to feel like simcity in that no one truly fathoms how broken it is right now; as people have more time to play we'll start peeling back more layers of the illusion. It seemed like maybe a few patches would be enough at first, but I'm really starting to doubt that. But hey, on the plus side it got me in the mood to play more x3. Still tons and tons left to do in that one.
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From what I read from the devs, once you queue it up you've essentially set a contract and prices won't change.
I enjoy reading but am dismayed at the thought of having to manually do it every time. And is there any real reason I should be looting these lockers/boxes? Are they really worth the profit for the hassle of finding the right vendor to buy it?
Maybe. I have made a bunch of money selling to the traders inside the stations, but haven't payed enough attention to see if what I'm selling them is from the boxes or from long range scanning.
Isn't that the point of the X genre?
be whatever you want from merchant empire to freelancer...just what the hell did they want rebirth to be? because it's not what they advertised it as.
I think the idea is that you actually have to play the game to be a merchant.
I'm not saying the X:Rebirth system is the answer, but you know something is wrong in the other X games, when the merchant goal is to get a system that does the trading for you, so you can just speed up time and rake in the money while you are at work or sleeping.
Even discounting the bugs that's a god awful system for a simulation game.
To anyone sitting on the fence: Go find something better to play. Maybe after Egosoft sees fit to fix this mess it'll be worth buying. As of right now it is not.
Even without the bugs this probably still isn't the game people would be looking for. It's certainly not the one the steam page seems to imply, I'd say get it's predecessors or wait for star citizen, and prey you don't get shafted by it to. A growing trend these days.
It depends on your luck. I'm 10 hours in and haven't come across anything that break the campaign. I've had one crash, one bug that required me to save and restart the game, and one really bad framerate drop that required me to leave/reenter the system. I know I shouldn't assume that just because it works for me that it should work for everyone else... but it work the other way around too.
Yeah, besides the Teladi eyeballs rolling back in their sockets I haven't encountered any other bugs at all and everything has been going fine for me.
Right now I'm feeling a bit torn... continue to play or wait till patches fix up some of the other problems, or Mods do what they can?
Sorry for the rant, if you enjoy it, then continue on and ignore me.
Beyond the xbox code, and the supposed "not a continuation of X3", I read there may be a X4 that will be a continuation of X3? of course, none of these things are substantiated at all, but still make me wonder.
So, two things.
If this ISN'T a sequel to the X games, then they needed to be WAY clearer about this. Because that, that right there, makes me want a refund more than anything else. Because that, specifically, means that they plan to NEVER add in the stuff that is missing.
And if there IS an X4 coming after this, I sure as hell am not buying it.
I hate to be that guy but the more I read about this the crankier I am. Because this being the dumbed-down 'console X-game' explains ALL the problems we're seeing with the design right now.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Reading the commented code leaves very little doubt that it's a failed console game ported to pc. As for the comment I can't find the quote though I believe it's attributed to some guy named bernd lehahn, I can't find the quote but given some of there other comments and posts they've made on the steam forums It doesn't surprise me in the least.
Like the dev posting a screeny of his rahahana picking up the energy cells for the campaign mission, I thought that was pretty classy.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
And even then they've only offered refunds on one game post release.
So depressed. The graphics are great, I even like the Skunk (honestly once I found the 'best' fighter to suit my needs in X3 I never switched back out of it). The cockpit is cool, and now that she's not yelling at Betty all the time even Yisha doesn't bug me too much.
But no automatic trading, no useful targeting system, a tiny chunk of the space in previous games... there's just too much missing that they aren't going to be able to fix. These aren't bugs, they're flaws in the fundamental design.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I was enjoying the game, honestly. But I was also waiting for it to blossom out into the larger universe with fleets of ships, traders running around automatically, etc... and it's become apparent that isn't going to happen.
Are there even other aliens in the game besides the Teladi and the Split? (and honestly, that Split dude was hard to find, buried in the admin office of a backwater station)
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I read that they removed the alien races, only Humanoid/Human-lookin remain.
Yeah the Split just looks like a green dude with no nose and a pervy mustache.
I am probably going to get around to playing AP now, though. I was waiting for Rebirth instead but I've already deleted it. I'll miss the boost and highways. SETA was never my favorite feature.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Basically, One of the X3 games (X3TR?) didn't do very well. At the same time, the 360 was the new hot shit in the development communities, and there were all these stories about people porting PC classics to the 360 and making platinum encrusted moneyhats doing so.
The general theory is that they attempted to cash in on this, XR completely failed the 360 QA process, and they had to abort and port it to the PC to recoup some investment costs.
This is the Fallout Brotherhood of Steel of the X series.
Now, here's the really worrying thing:
If we're EVER to see a X4 or even an X Rebirth 2 or whatnot... We have to support them, at least a little bit, in this. Yes, XR is a complete mess. Is it fixable? I think so, maybe. What won't be fixable is if XR ruins them financially and EA / 2K / what have you swoops in and firesales them. XR being a complete bomb will almost definitely end up with that happening.
Having said that, they need to change whatever dev culture they have over there that suggests automation is a bad thing, though. And they need to change it now. The "We'll add Autopilot, if we have too, I guess.... Whatever...." style postings are silly. Are the devs that posted that people they hired for the console game, or are they X vets? Because if they're X vets, they clearly played X3 in a way I sure as hell didn't.
I think if they'd said, when promoting it, what it was... a smaller version of the game designed for consoles to handle, but now they were putting it out on PC... I might still have bought it. But that's not what they did, obviously.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I had a blast playing up until this point but when I realized I couldn't command my stolen capship (from plot) I decided to wait. They can easily make X Rebirth a great game. I never saw any of the hype so perhaps that is why I am not bitter. Most of my suggestions are already in the game in some reduced, disabled, or dysfunctional form. They just need to finish and activate them.
Targetting and your HUD generally need to be revamped but those are at least not game breaking. I personally like the game better than the previous X games which I've been unable to successfully navigate or play or at all get engrossed in, but in its current state, X:R just doesn't work at the most basic level.
http://roguey.co.uk/xrebirth/universe/
After giving up I left the ship behind and fly to DeVries. At some point I figured I might as well get on the com and ask where a ship dealer is.. I was shocked when I actually got the guidance (unlike those jerks in albion who refused to tell me where one was). I was even more surprised when I found out I could sell my ship that was sitting dead in the water in another cluster to this sucker for over 4million.
Easy way to get a ship to capture - "cartel boss" kill missions
also - Novadrones are crazy.
I am now the proud owner of:
1x mammoth
2x ore mine l
2x silicon mine l
1x solar power plant xl
2x cahoona bakery l
2x argnu beef l
2x crystal fab l
3x laser tower factories
1x advanced satellite factory
and about 30 million in liquid assets, plus a handful of CAGs and traders, and my centaur.
feels good to run a space empire. Setting up the spacefuel/weed hub in a pirate sector I found, already deployed 50 laser towers to beat back any pirates that come to fuck with my business
I knew it would be fewer because they sort of made each 'sector' the equivalent of a star system, but that's just sad.
I assume we'll learn later there were more systems planned but they had to cut back for launch because they weren't as polished as the ones we got. The areas that are there I rather like, even if they are just clusters of 2-3 stations, it's just there should be a lot more of it.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
There is fun to be had, lots of fun. Is it perfect? No, Does it need several fixes? Yes, that doesn't mean there isn't fun to be had with it. .
I don't know what it is about egosoft, I don't remember this level of rage with all the game breaking issues that were in other games at launch.
There's also the fact that it's not just the game breaking bugs, it's the game design itself. This is like X - light...with annoying interfaces smoke and mirrors instead of true simulation in many areas.
It's just not what is being advertised even now on it's steam page.
but seriously I'm not see'ing the rage you're speaking of, people have been surprisingly calm and have just been relaying there exp with the game. If you're having fun great, evidently some aren't.