UFC Undisputed 2009 is the hardest game in the entire world

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urahonky

Does Gameshark still exist?

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN

My entire experience with this game was watching a looping replay in a Gamestop, after some little kid got done playing a two player fight against nobody. It was fifteen seconds of his guy repeatedly ramming his elbow into the other dude's face until he tipped over. It was in slow-motion and around the third loop the swooping, dramatic camera angles had me laughing pretty hard

I guess my advice is to play two player mode by yourself, which will not be rewarding but might at least be funny

POKÉMON MASTER WT SHERMAN

Throw sonic booms until your opponent tries to jump in and then flash kick him

Organichu

are you doing career mode or what

there are pretty insidious training methods that involve doing them manually and then letting yourself lose occasionally to get easier sparring partners... with this method you won't be undefeated but your character will be stupid-OP by retirement

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I foolish believed that since I spent the entire fight punching a guy in the head that I was winning. NOPE.

urahonky

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

I foolish believed that since I spent the entire fight punching a guy in the head that I was winning. NOPE.

This is how UFC works in real life too.

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Organichu wrote: »

are you doing career mode or what

there are pretty insidious training methods that involve doing them manually and then letting yourself lose occasionally to get easier sparring partners... with this method you won't be undefeated but your character will be stupid-OP by retirement

I'm doing career mode. It'd be easier if you could just play as Tito or whatever. I'm doing Muay Thai BJJ, but my submissions never work. My record is currently 0-3

JustinSane07

Submissions are the worst way to play that game unfortunately.

And why didn't you get 10? They figured out how to make lefties work. There are no south paws in 09 because the collision detection was all fucked up.

cooljammer00

High kicks to the head.

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JustinSane07 wrote: »

Submissions are the worst way to play that game unfortunately.

And why didn't you get 10? They figured out how to make lefties work. There are no south paws in 09 because the collision detection was all fucked up.

Because 10 was 30 pounds and 09 was 5

JustinSane07

Oh okay.

Well do what Cool said. Have your guy learn how to throw a head kick and become Cro Cop.

Alistair Hutton

In 2010 the best way to play as a starting character in carer mode is side step counter punching, the AI is helluva weak to counter punching.

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JustinSane07 wrote: »

Oh okay.

Well do what Cool said. Have your guy learn how to throw a head kick and become Cro Cop.

Oh neat ok how do I learn new moves. This was not explained in the tutorial.

PantsB

Is 09 the first one? That one was all about wrestling and learning the timing for counters in my experience. You'd get dominant position and then punch the guy in the head while you sat on him. When he tried to break out you'd just counter it and be in a better position.

Cleveralias

'09 is all about positioning. Focus on the cinch and ground game first - I would recommend starting over with a wrestling based fighter and get good at ground & pound. Learn how take a fight from standing to the ground, how to pass from the guard to the mount and win by TKO. Then learn how to do counters and reversals. The submission game is surprisingly deep but even experienced players have a hard time pulling them of against the CPU because it can do perfect "shines".

UFC 2010 is even better and I'm actually rather surprised there's been so little discussion of it on this forum

Preacher

You learn new moves from when you get to go to camps (they are on your calendar in your gym), you have to get a set amount of points from the camps by doing things off a check list based on the style you are at the camp for (so if you are muay thai its normally doing moves in the clinch) when you level up you get those moves.

Its really frustrating because you have to do a couple camps perfectly to level up a style, and at least for me it was hard as fuck to do all the shit, because your training buddy isn't just a dead fish and will work to tie you up on the ground even if you're trying to work on boxing.

B:L

Don't forget to cover your character's clothes in THQ logos to make your career character better.

Submissions are pretty much impossible unless their stamina is drained, and even then you'll have to have a high sub offense and near-perfect stick-spinning shining techniques. It's usually not worth it.

You should probably stick with standup. Work on your character's strength stat and try to level up your muay thai camp to 2 to gain new moves. Then spam the heck out of high kicks at a distance and hooks and elbows any closer in.

Out of curiosity, how much was EA MMA?

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I managed to beat the career mode on easy once I had high kicks by kicking everything in the head until it died. This technique worked on basically everyone except Tito Ortiz, and I was never forced to fight Tito Ortiz. I fought Chuck Lidell so many times it was ridiculous. The grappling seems incredibly deep, it's a shame that it isn't very useful.

Mulletude

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

JustinSane07 wrote: »

Submissions are the worst way to play that game unfortunately.

And why didn't you get 10? They figured out how to make lefties work. There are no south paws in 09 because the collision detection was all fucked up.

Because 10 was 30 pounds and 09 was 5

Turn on the stamina meter...Than wear dudes down by doing ground transitions or block theirs. When their stamina bar is empty submit the shit out of them.

Docshifty

Mulletude wrote: »

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

JustinSane07 wrote: »

Submissions are the worst way to play that game unfortunately.

And why didn't you get 10? They figured out how to make lefties work. There are no south paws in 09 because the collision detection was all fucked up.

Because 10 was 30 pounds and 09 was 5

Turn on the stamina meter...Than wear dudes down by doing ground transitions or block theirs. When their stamina bar is empty submit the shit out of them.

This, and, for me, for whatever reason, I had an easier time submitting enemies by spamming one of the face buttons like I was playing Track&Field, whereas rotating the stick helped me more with escaping submissions.

Preacher

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

I managed to beat the career mode on easy once I had high kicks by kicking everything in the head until it died. This technique worked on basically everyone except Tito Ortiz, and I was never forced to fight Tito Ortiz. I fought Chuck Lidell so many times it was ridiculous. The grappling seems incredibly deep, it's a shame that it isn't very useful.

Yeah they put a lot of though into moving the stick around in different positions to get the transitions, but I could never do it reliably and ended up just spamming stick directions trying to get out of them.

I liked EA MMA's ground a lot better by comparison.

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The stick movements are INCREDIBLY finicky. I just spent an hour experimenting with BJ Penn, and you may as well be wrestling with invalids he's so good. Even so, I can't reliably go from side mount to mount because the stick directions aren't reliable. If you go to guard, go to rubber mount and then go to back mount though, the fight is done.

Mulletude

Rubber guard for the transition from your back to top is one of the best learned moves in the game. And there's a reason why BJ is called the prodigy.

he became the first non-Brazilian to win the black-belt division of the World Jiu-Jitsu Championship held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

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God, the training camps are annoying "ok I have to counter punch this guy five times" then he takes you down and sits on you for five minutes. at a BOXING camp.

undeinPirat

You are not fit for boxing if you can't handle people sitting on you, obviously.

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It genuinely feels like he's doing it just to be a dick. Honestly, between the fact that the training camps are ridiculously hard to complete (grappling especially) and the fact that you start out knowing zero fucking moves I don't think I'm going to keep playing this run through.

Sweeney Tom

If it's any consolation, Undisputed 2010 is way better, and also easier.

The only way I even beat Undisputed 2009 was I created a character experienced in kickboxing, and headkicked 50 people in a row on my way to retirement.

MrVyngaard

Sweeney Tom wrote: »

If it's any consolation, Undisputed 2010 is way better, and also easier.

The only way I even beat Undisputed 2009 was I created a character experienced in kickboxing, and headkicked 50 people in a row on my way to retirement.

I never bothered to beat the game, but this was the most successful road to victory that seemed reliable.

Mulletude

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

It genuinely feels like he's doing it just to be a dick. Honestly, between the fact that the training camps are ridiculously hard to complete (grappling especially) and the fact that you start out knowing zero fucking moves I don't think I'm going to keep playing this run through.

That was my problem with this game. I literally didn't feel comfortable enough to complete a play through until my 3rd character. That and you have to wade through the shitty menus to put logos on your fighters shorts to get the bonus that goes along with it.

To anyone that knows, did they fix that and the submission game for 2010?

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So how much stuff did they fix in 10? Can I play career as BJ Penn yet?

dasnoob

Mulletude wrote: »

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

It genuinely feels like he's doing it just to be a dick. Honestly, between the fact that the training camps are ridiculously hard to complete (grappling especially) and the fact that you start out knowing zero fucking moves I don't think I'm going to keep playing this run through.

That was my problem with this game. I literally didn't feel comfortable enough to complete a play through until my 3rd character. That and you have to wade through the shitty menus to put logos on your fighters shorts to get the bonus that goes along with it.

To anyone that knows, did they fix that and the submission game for 2010?

oh the submissions sucked so hard. that stupid spin crap with the stick it was horrible especially against the CPU. I think in 2010 they removed the option of button mashing completely and forced you to do the spin stuff? I never played it since I got rid of my console.

2009 single player was stupid easy though. You just had to be patient and time your moves.

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As far as I can tell, the achievement to win a fight with nothing but grapples is close to impossible.

B:L

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

So how much stuff did they fix in 10? Can I play career as BJ Penn yet?

UFC 2010 is way worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikbJnsZkbGU


Here's a vid of some high level play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD6N9mHzuPU

The gist of it was that online didn't work right, free takedowns if the other guy is striking, and lots of ground pitter patter, submissions being impossible, hyper elbows up close, and cage clinch shenanigans.

And no playing as real fighters in career mode.

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I'm strictly a single player kind of guy. My main concern was how broken the training camps and building your character were, if those are more fun I might pick it up.

Cleveralias

The whole point of carrer mode is to develop your own fighter, facing constraints of time - being forced to to make decisions about priorities - learning new moves vs conditioning or perfecting those you already know. It wouldn't make much sense to be able to play as a pre build fighter with all his moves already mapped out.

B:L

Cleveralias wrote: »

The whole point of carrer mode is to develop your own fighter, facing constraints of time - being forced to to make decisions about priorities - learning new moves vs conditioning or perfecting those you already know. It wouldn't make much sense to be able to play as a pre build fighter with all his moves already mapped out.

People just like playing a known fighter.

I mean in EA MMA's fun-as-heck career mode, I ran through it with my Kimbo Slice while others ran through it with this guy

Mulletude

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

I'm strictly a single player kind of guy. My main concern was how broken the training camps and building your character were, if those are more fun I might pick it up.

I want to know this as well

And EA MMA is fun. I've had 4 straight epic battles with Fedor in my HW's career.

And the ground game is alot more fun than in UFC 2009.

But the game just feels a little too simplistic at times and the lack of a UFC license hurts.

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Cleveralias wrote: »

The whole point of carrer mode is to develop your own fighter

No, the whole point of career mode is to have fun. There are no meaningful time restraints and you will learn every move, sooner or later, just by getting a single point in each camp. Being able to play as BJ Penn merely prevents you from using the hideously bad CAF system and dicking around for an hour because your fighter doesn't know how to perform a kick yet.

Cleveralias

Oh - It's been a while since I've played 2009. In 2010 you have to make real choices over the course of an 11 or so year carer. You can never learn everything in a single play though . It's often wisest to sacrifice wins early on in order to build up a good base of abilities. Initially it was easy to exploit the system into a "SUPER CAF" but those were patched out. No doubt the game has flaws, and online play is handicapped by lag . But for two guys going at it in the same room I've found it to be one of the deepest and most rewarding fighters I've played. I really enjoy the strategy and min-maxing the RPG elements of carer mode allows.

Probably the best way to build you skills as a player in 2010 at least is to play the classic fights, in which you are rewarded for achieving specific tasks IE - land 10 counters, transition from guard to side control, win with a rear naked choke etc...

Preacher

Lewie P's Stepdad wrote: »

Cleveralias wrote: »

The whole point of carrer mode is to develop your own fighter

No, the whole point of career mode is to have fun. There are no meaningful time restraints and you will learn every move, sooner or later, just by getting a single point in each camp. Being able to play as BJ Penn merely prevents you from using the hideously bad CAF system and dicking around for an hour because your fighter doesn't know how to perform a kick yet.

If you can put up with less big names in the game I'd go with EA MMA over the UFC offering. CAW is a lot more fun, when it comes to learning moves you still have to do certain things (like avoid being knocked out for a minute without striking back) but the big big change is that if you fail you can redo that over and over until you succeed without eating up weeks or whatever.

Plus you get Bas Rutten as your head coach.