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Don't need modem?

DrukDruk Registered User regular
edited April 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
So I was playing a multiplayer online video game, and I was having connection issues. At the end of the game, I mentioned my modem was having problems, and one of my opponents (in as dickish a way as possible, of course) claimed that no one uses modems anymore. When I asked if he used magic to connect to the internet, he said that he uses a LAN card with "cable, adsl" and that LAN cards use "LAN cable" as opposed to telephone cable.

Well, I've never heard of any sort of personal internet service that isn't connected at some point through a modem. Is it possible he's assuming I meant dial-up?

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Generally speaking yes, any time you "plug into the wall" with either a phone or cable jack that device contains a modem.

    Wikipedia has a pretty good writeup on the issue, and is generally a pretty good reference guide for broad-band issues like this.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited April 2011
    While it is possible to have an awesome internet connection that doesn't require a modem (being in a university dorm and enjoying a campus direct line, although this is quite rare nowadays), if he's connecting through ADSL or Cable, he is most certainly using a modem. Modems are simply devices that convert a digital signal into an analog signal (a complex waveform) and vice versa (MOdulate/DEModulate being the origin of the word). While it includes voice band modems, the term is not exclusive to those.

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  • RadicalTurnipRadicalTurnip Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Or, if you're in a large city, he may be using his phone and/or 4G speeds, which are just as fast as many "High Speed" internet connections. Even 3G is enough to play most games. My Droid I know can provide a "wireless hotspot" if I want it to, and it's one the cheap crappy versions.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Or, if you're in a large city, he may be using his phone and/or 4G speeds, which are just as fast as many "High Speed" internet connections. Even 3G is enough to play most games. My Droid I know can provide a "wireless hotspot" if I want it to, and it's one the cheap crappy versions.

    The cellular internet connections may have plenty of speed, but the latency sucks. I doubt it'd work well for gaming.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    your opponent is retarded and thinks internet magically comes through his wall from his DSL provider

    the fact that he has a DSL modem is apparently ignored

    OP you should just assume that the majority of time someone spouts some vitriol online, they are misinformed, stupid, racist, or all three

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  • Descendant XDescendant X Skyrim is my god now. Outpost 31Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    illig wrote: »
    your opponent is retarded and thinks internet magically comes through his wall from his DSL provider

    the fact that he has a DSL modem is apparently ignored

    OP you should just assume that the majority of time someone spouts some vitriol online, they are misinformed, stupid, and racist.

    Fixed that for you.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    A lot of providers give combo modem/routers now. He may not realize he has both devices integrated into one box.

    Doesn't make him any less misinformed, but it's an idea.

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  • DrFrylockDrFrylock Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yes he assumes you meant dial-up.

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  • lordswinglordswing Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'm with ATT and I have an old router (for sure not a router/modem combo) that plugs into the wall, no physical modem between the wall and router. I was told by the tech it's an old DSL technology called "hi fidel" or "fidel," but I can't find anything on google.

    Maybe your opponent has that, and has never stepped foot into another house?
    I'm also curious what kind of DSL I have too if anyone knows

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    How does it plug into the wall... an ethernet cable doesn't fit in a phone jack, Anything with a phone jack is some kinda modem...

    Never heard of that!

    Also people make shit up in online games to troll people.

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  • AurinAurin Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    My sister had DSL in Georgia that had no modem. There was an ethernet plug in the wall, it plugged into their router, and they were done. All they had to do was stay signed into their internet provider, and it was all good. I do believe they went through AT&T.

    Here's something I found on google, though... http://www.techimo.com/forum/networking-internet/207354-dsl-without-modem.html. So it is possible, but the guy was a troll as well. The cool kids use cable, with modems. ;-)

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I think it's sort of pedantic but I don't know that modulate demodulate (modem) actually correctly applies to anything other than over the phone transmission using bips boops and squeak sounds. ISDN maybe, if anyone still uses those.

    It would be sort of like calling a telephone a telegraph.

    It's dumb, the term has evolved.

    You're right, he may be technically right, but still an asshole.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I still say 'tape a show' when using the DVR.

    Anyone who says "LAN cable" is an dumbass, so don't worry about it. Ask him if he's upgraded to CAT5E or if he's still using RJ45: it's the same.

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  • kneelingyakkneelingyak Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    I think it's sort of pedantic but I don't know that modulate demodulate (modem) actually correctly applies to anything other than over the phone transmission using bips boops and squeak sounds. ISDN maybe, if anyone still uses those.

    It would be sort of like calling a telephone a telegraph.

    It's dumb, the term has evolved.

    You're right, he may be technically right, but still an asshole.

    No, the term is still correct. You are encoding digital information on an analog carrier signal and doing the reverse on the receiving end.

    Dial-up, cable, DSL, satellite, WiFi all use modems in the traditional sense. Many of the boxes also have other networking features built-in so that people think of them more as routers but they still definitely use modems.

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  • TechnicalityTechnicality Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    This is a what happens when you name an object after the function it performs and people start taking words away to make it easier to say.

    Space can't possibly be a vacuum! My grandma couldn't use it to clean the carpet on sunday! That makes no sense! Can't you scientist types see the term has evolved!

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Aurin wrote: »
    My sister had DSL in Georgia that had no modem. There was an ethernet plug in the wall, it plugged into their router, and they were done. All they had to do was stay signed into their internet provider, and it was all good. I do believe they went through AT&T.

    Here's something I found on google, though... http://www.techimo.com/forum/networking-internet/207354-dsl-without-modem.html. So it is possible, but the guy was a troll as well. The cool kids use cable, with modems. ;-)

    The modem for these setups is either in the wall or floor. AT&T does this around here if you package TV and/or phone with your internet because they use one central box for everything. It connects to your router (usually it actually includes a router and they can connect it to multiple wall jacks if you have several PCs or want to hook up a console), your phones, and any U-verse TV boxes. I think the central box is where the DVR storage is, too, or at least it's what allows you to record on one box and play back on another. Anyway, somewhere in the setup there'll be a silver box with rounded corners.

    As for that forum link, the information page for AT&T's premium modemless ADSL as a few interesting bits: You have to use their router as the first connection to the phone line or it won't work, and it even mentions the words ADSL modem. Sounds like it's just an integrated modem-router.

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