The way he constantly refuses to acknowledge just how ignorant he's been is the worst bit. I really despise guys like that. It's obvious even to him that he didn't know what the heck he was talking about, and yet he's desperately trying to cling to any point he can hold on to to make himself right.
So now he's NOT saying that Relic ripped off Gears of War completely (which, you know, he still is. He just literally added a couple of lines to his article to try and pretend he didn't, and even THEN he uses the word "might" because he refuses to be wrong), just the gameplay completely.
Any person worth his salt would flat out say "You know what? I was completely wrong. I had no clue that this universe and all the tropes that I've mentioned as "copycatting" actually pre-date Gears of War, in lore, in tabletop game, and even in actual videogame format, and were in fact probably a huge influence on Gears of War, not the other way around. I was wrong, and I apologise."
That's all he would need to say to maintain at least the merest shred of integrity, but he refuses to do even that.
That journalist needs to lose his job. Objectively, that article is unacceptable from a professional standpoint.
Objectively, he just brought in a tonne more hits than just a standard preview, or even the plain roasting of a game he originally intended would have.
Why wouldn't they want to keep him? You don't need to care about accuracy as long as all you're after is banner clicks.
He needs to lose his job because the medium of video games shall never be taken seriously if reporting standards remain unresearched, unprofessional and indefensible. I know subedii's point is rooted in the grounds of reality, but - in an ideal world - the man would hang from his entrails atop a faith banner; a grim trophy of the Chaos Gods.
Inadvertedly, and on a positive note, that article is going to be a massive advertisement for the game itself.
His attempt to defend his article in the comments was humorous. It basically started a whole new set of people raging at him.
Yeah, I was laughing at the original article but the terrible defense ("I am only walking into a room and giving my opinion, I've been doing this professionally for 15 years") angered me enough to write a comment but not enough so as to tie my openID to it and post it.
Alegis on
0
Options
MrVyngaardLive From New EtoileStraight Outta SosariaRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
Oh, God-Emperor.
That article was epic comedy, given my first impression (more a suspicion) of GoW when I first saw it was that it looked curiously like an exceptionally dumbed down War40K setting. The sequel only reinforced this, and so seeing this article is to look upon the finest in expertly done gooseshit.
The writer is, most surely, objectively terrible in this. I agree wholeheartedly. The half-assed apology is deliciously inept.
MrVyngaard on
"now I've got this mental image of caucuses as cafeteria tables in prison, and new congressmen having to beat someone up on inauguration day." - Raiden333
Saying Gears of War is a dumbed down Warhammer 40k is almost as bad as saying 40K rips off from Gears. There's similarities, sure, but there's a lot more bloody differences and most of the similarities are friggen tropes at this point. (many of which started or were popularized by 40K or things that were inspired by 40K, but the point stands)
I mean, hell, Starcraft is way more of a 40k setting-lift than Gears of War is, and nobody gives it shit for that.
so I'm reading through the new Dark Eldar codex for fluff, and it is making every other species seem awesome except their own.
In this one story you have Space marines invading Commoragh itself and basically beating the shit out of the Dark Eldar and successfully carrying out their mission and in another story you get Orks ramming a city filled with titans with their space hulks
At no point did I get the impression that the Dark Eldar were awesome like I do when I read other factions codexes.
Saying Gears of War is a dumbed down Warhammer 40k is almost as bad as saying 40K rips off from Gears.
No, not quite. I am aware of the history of Epic Games' releases previous to Gears, and looked curiously is not the same as saying it IS a dumbed down Warhammer 40K. I'm not making that comment as a paid journalist nor am I attempting to state a fact by saying it. We disagree? That's fine.
God that is absolutely my favourite ever PA strip. By a margin too. I love it.
Agreed, it's wonderful.
MrVyngaard on
"now I've got this mental image of caucuses as cafeteria tables in prison, and new congressmen having to beat someone up on inauguration day." - Raiden333
Saying Gears of War is a dumbed down Warhammer 40k is almost as bad as saying 40K rips off from Gears.
No, not quite. I am aware of the history of Epic Games' releases previous to Gears, and looked curiously is not the same as saying it IS a dumbed down Warhammer 40K. I'm not making that comment as a paid journalist nor am I attempting to state a fact by saying it. We disagree? That's fine.
Oh wow, sorry. I didn't mean to offend you or anything I was just saying that Gears really, really isn't similar to Warhammer. By like several orders of magnitude.
EDIT: In reference to Demiurge: I don't think the armor has ever been described as "powered" other than the fact that it has glowy bits. It's pretty much just slightly futuristic body armor. You have me on the chainsaw bayonet though.
EDIT: Also, I didn't intend to imply a 1-to-1 ratio of similarity between you and the douche who wrote the article. Just that blanket statements like that sound bad, no matter who you are. Sorry if it sounded like I meant otherwise.
Undead Scottsman on
0
Options
MrVyngaardLive From New EtoileStraight Outta SosariaRegistered Userregular
Oh wow, sorry. I didn't mean to offend you or anything I was just saying that Gears really, really isn't similar to Warhammer. By like several orders of magnitude.
In a rather roundabout way, I do agree with that statement...
And I'm not offended; I am really looking forward to Space Marine.
MrVyngaard on
"now I've got this mental image of caucuses as cafeteria tables in prison, and new congressmen having to beat someone up on inauguration day." - Raiden333
0
Options
Dr_KeenbeanDumb as a buttPlanet Express ShipRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
It's funny. Before Gears came out and I was watching a preview video I recall a few minutes into some gameplay footage thinking: 'my god, Gears is going to be the 40k game I've always wanted.'
And then I made a pledge that I would engage in depraved sex acts with whomever made a 40k mod for the PC version. That pledge is being taken back. I've been pants-shittingly excited for Space Marine since that video from waaaaaaay back that got yanked.
I think I'm going steam. I don't give a shit about Blood Ravens but steam functionality and free Darksiders is too good to pass up.
Gears of War: Bunch of mutants coming out of the ground, very much set on earth, guys in power armor and chain bayonets?
Huh? Gears is pretty explicitly not set on Earth.
Didn't they leave it quite vague as to whether this was true or not? In a 'it could be Earth, just a million years in the future after some apocalypse' or something.
I mean, they never mention it being a colony, space travel is never mentioned, their technology is too primitive to do that and yet they are clearly human beings living in very American looking houses (the Dom flashback)
Gears of War: Bunch of mutants coming out of the ground, very much set on earth, guys in power armor and chain bayonets?
Huh? Gears is pretty explicitly not set on Earth.
Didn't they leave it quite vague as to whether this was true or not? In a 'it could be Earth, just a million years in the future after some apocalypse' or something.
I mean, they never mention it being a colony, space travel is never mentioned, their technology is too primitive to do that and yet they are clearly human beings living in very American looking houses (the Dom flashback)
Epic has said they're not getting into Earth, if it exists or whatever. I think it's just using the concept that humans evolved on Sera in that universe, along with a set of civilizations similar to real-earths: hence the rampent use of modern slang and whatnot. But no, there's no blurb in the manual or games that says "Earth doesn't exist."
Sera (the planet the game takes place on) is definitely not Earth though. But whether the humans are colonists from Earths, or if Earth just plainly doesn't exist, we don't know.
Undead Scottsman on
0
Options
Dr_KeenbeanDumb as a buttPlanet Express ShipRegistered Userregular
Plus, Space Marines are orders of magnitude more badass. I mean seriously, they never lose. If they are coming close to losing, they destroy the entire planet, which is a win.
Gears of War spends three games looking at one skirmish on a backwater, nothing planet involving hundreds of combatants. Meanwhile over here in the 40k universe, millions are killed every minute in a pan-galactic everwar with utterly no end in sight.
Against the Tyranids I remember a bunch of space marines getting eaten as they tried to help the imperial guard against a planetary invasion
The story describes these "god-like" men clad in armor stepping out of their drop pods and incinerating a few tyranids with melta guns only to eventually falter and get torn to shreds while a horrified guardsman watches from afar
Plus, Space Marines are orders of magnitude more badass. I mean seriously, they never lose. If they are coming close to losing, they destroy the entire planet, which is a win.
Gears of War spends three games looking at one skirmish on a backwater, nothing planet involving hundreds of combatants. Meanwhile over here in the 40k universe, millions are killed every minute in a pan-galactic everwar with utterly no end in sight.
You're confused dude, it's the Orks that never lose:
Cause if we win, we win,
If we die, we die fightin' so it doesn't count,
If we run we don't die neither, so we can always come bak for anuvver go, see!
There's a reason Cortana is a woman. There's a reason Anya is a woman. There's a reason in the real world the warming messages in fighter-jet cockpits are all spoken by a female voice.
Men are fighting these wars. Men are flying these planes and men are playing these video games. Men respond measurably better to a female voice providing instruction over the radio.
She will be the voice on the end of the phone telling you where to go, who to shoot. Giving you updates about the missions. It's a fairly valid and effective design element.
Plus, fluffwise it makes perfect sense. Why not use the other half of the human race? Twice as big a meat shield. In fact, in a total war scenario I'd expect women at all levels of the Imperium, just not in frontline roles like Space Marines.
I like that that IG lady in the screenshot above doesn't have ridiculous boob armor. I mean it might be marginally more convex than the usual stuff (or not? would have to find a male guardsman to compare), but it obviously doesn't compare to those Sisters of Battle. :P
I like that you never see a young space marine. What's the deal there? Are they in training for the first 40 years of their life, or does the darkly grimness of their existence just age them rapidly?
Posts
Good grief, dude's almost as bad as Jim Sterling.
His half baked non-apology is pretty much just the icing on the cake. What a freaking moron.
e: also, one of the relicdevs that posts over at SA says that this game will have a full army painter. Fuck yeah.
So now he's NOT saying that Relic ripped off Gears of War completely (which, you know, he still is. He just literally added a couple of lines to his article to try and pretend he didn't, and even THEN he uses the word "might" because he refuses to be wrong), just the gameplay completely.
Any person worth his salt would flat out say "You know what? I was completely wrong. I had no clue that this universe and all the tropes that I've mentioned as "copycatting" actually pre-date Gears of War, in lore, in tabletop game, and even in actual videogame format, and were in fact probably a huge influence on Gears of War, not the other way around. I was wrong, and I apologise."
That's all he would need to say to maintain at least the merest shred of integrity, but he refuses to do even that.
It's really a sight to behold.
Objectively, he just brought in a tonne more hits than just a standard preview, or even the plain roasting of a game he originally intended would have.
Why wouldn't they want to keep him? You don't need to care about accuracy as long as all you're after is banner clicks.
Inadvertedly, and on a positive note, that article is going to be a massive advertisement for the game itself.
You should be asking why are people smart.
Yeah, I was laughing at the original article but the terrible defense ("I am only walking into a room and giving my opinion, I've been doing this professionally for 15 years") angered me enough to write a comment but not enough so as to tie my openID to it and post it.
That article was epic comedy, given my first impression (more a suspicion) of GoW when I first saw it was that it looked curiously like an exceptionally dumbed down War40K setting. The sequel only reinforced this, and so seeing this article is to look upon the finest in expertly done gooseshit.
The writer is, most surely, objectively terrible in this. I agree wholeheartedly. The half-assed apology is deliciously inept.
Saying Gears of War is a dumbed down Warhammer 40k is almost as bad as saying 40K rips off from Gears. There's similarities, sure, but there's a lot more bloody differences and most of the similarities are friggen tropes at this point. (many of which started or were popularized by 40K or things that were inspired by 40K, but the point stands)
I mean, hell, Starcraft is way more of a 40k setting-lift than Gears of War is, and nobody gives it shit for that.
In this one story you have Space marines invading Commoragh itself and basically beating the shit out of the Dark Eldar and successfully carrying out their mission and in another story you get Orks ramming a city filled with titans with their space hulks
At no point did I get the impression that the Dark Eldar were awesome like I do when I read other factions codexes.
No, not quite. I am aware of the history of Epic Games' releases previous to Gears, and looked curiously is not the same as saying it IS a dumbed down Warhammer 40K. I'm not making that comment as a paid journalist nor am I attempting to state a fact by saying it. We disagree? That's fine.
Agreed, it's wonderful.
Gears of War: Bunch of mutants coming out of the ground, very much set on earth, guys in power armor and chain bayonets?
Saying either is a ripoff is dumb.
Oh wow, sorry. I didn't mean to offend you or anything
EDIT: In reference to Demiurge: I don't think the armor has ever been described as "powered" other than the fact that it has glowy bits. It's pretty much just slightly futuristic body armor. You have me on the chainsaw bayonet though.
EDIT: Also, I didn't intend to imply a 1-to-1 ratio of similarity between you and the douche who wrote the article. Just that blanket statements like that sound bad, no matter who you are. Sorry if it sounded like I meant otherwise.
In a rather roundabout way, I do agree with that statement...
And I'm not offended; I am really looking forward to Space Marine.
And then I made a pledge that I would engage in depraved sex acts with whomever made a 40k mod for the PC version. That pledge is being taken back. I've been pants-shittingly excited for Space Marine since that video from waaaaaaay back that got yanked.
I think I'm going steam. I don't give a shit about Blood Ravens but steam functionality and free Darksiders is too good to pass up.
3DS: 1650-8480-6786
Switch: SW-0653-8208-4705
Huh? Gears is pretty explicitly not set on Earth.
Warhammer is set on millions of planets
Didn't they leave it quite vague as to whether this was true or not? In a 'it could be Earth, just a million years in the future after some apocalypse' or something.
I mean, they never mention it being a colony, space travel is never mentioned, their technology is too primitive to do that and yet they are clearly human beings living in very American looking houses (the Dom flashback)
40K totally rips off Starcraft.
Epic has said they're not getting into Earth, if it exists or whatever. I think it's just using the concept that humans evolved on Sera in that universe, along with a set of civilizations similar to real-earths: hence the rampent use of modern slang and whatnot. But no, there's no blurb in the manual or games that says "Earth doesn't exist."
Sera (the planet the game takes place on) is definitely not Earth though. But whether the humans are colonists from Earths, or if Earth just plainly doesn't exist, we don't know.
Burly dudes in space with guns and chainsaws do not a 40k ripoff make. There are some similar themes but that's just how shit goes.
3DS: 1650-8480-6786
Switch: SW-0653-8208-4705
Gears of War spends three games looking at one skirmish on a backwater, nothing planet involving hundreds of combatants. Meanwhile over here in the 40k universe, millions are killed every minute in a pan-galactic everwar with utterly no end in sight.
Against the Tyranids I remember a bunch of space marines getting eaten as they tried to help the imperial guard against a planetary invasion
The story describes these "god-like" men clad in armor stepping out of their drop pods and incinerating a few tyranids with melta guns only to eventually falter and get torn to shreds while a horrified guardsman watches from afar
Also, there is nothing cooler than the entirety of the 40k universe
I always had the impression the Imperial Guard consisted of both men and women but this might be the first time in all this time I actually see one
You're confused dude, it's the Orks that never lose:
Cause if we win, we win,
If we die, we die fightin' so it doesn't count,
If we run we don't die neither, so we can always come bak for anuvver go, see!
Waaaaagh!
There's a reason Cortana is a woman. There's a reason Anya is a woman. There's a reason in the real world the warming messages in fighter-jet cockpits are all spoken by a female voice.
Men are fighting these wars. Men are flying these planes and men are playing these video games. Men respond measurably better to a female voice providing instruction over the radio.
She will be the voice on the end of the phone telling you where to go, who to shoot. Giving you updates about the missions. It's a fairly valid and effective design element.
Plus, fluffwise it makes perfect sense. Why not use the other half of the human race? Twice as big a meat shield. In fact, in a total war scenario I'd expect women at all levels of the Imperium, just not in frontline roles like Space Marines.
There's also, you know, the sisters of battle
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/27/become-a-space-wolf-with-warhammer-40k-space-marines-pre-order/#continued
Buying this game from EB gives you Space Wolf, and Black Templar armors for mulitplayer.
I loathe Gamestop. But this...this might make me don my armor of contempt, march in there, get this, and march out.
Also, the Best Buy one's seem cool too.
Though Amazon will also probably throw tons of E-money at me again, so that's cool
[e] Or are they just born grizzled and scarred?