I do feel awful for the indie developers who got screwed by this, like the Pixeljunk guys. It'll be a cold day in hell before I put my billing info into a Playstation again, and I know a lot of other people will have the same reaction, so this would be a terrible time to be a PSN-focused studio. Maybe they can refocus on producing PC and/or XBLA releases and get some sympathy bucks in the process.
You can buy games via codes (for example, on Amazon.)
the fact that you had to inform him of this and that it is not widely known is probably an indictment of the perception of the service going forward.
Unless you read emails sent to you by Amazon not really. It's a relatively new service too in that the instant code things just started up a month or so ago iirc
They've been around at least a year. I know I bought Critter Crunch that way at any rate and I bought it when it hadn't been out super long.
The instant ones off Amazon? Weird, the email Amazon sent me awhile back implied they'd just become available.
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Also, let's not fault the Sony engineers for this, the same way I do not fault the engineers who designed the BMG rootkit. The fault lies with the executives who declared a war on hackers, laughed at the idea of people penetrating the fortress that once was Sony, whined incessantly about piracy, and kept hiring more lawyers when they really needed to hire good security experts. Alienating the hacker community is not a good idea.
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To the perpetrator, two things. You are clearly talented and will have plenty of money(or a jail sentence and bankruptcy) coming to you in the future. Don't be a dick and sell people's information. And I'd love to see a write up on how it all went down...lord knows we'll never get that from Sony, noobs probably had the password set to '4' or something. I mean, at least it was randomly generated.
The jab at the end, I believe, is a reference to xkcd, and the fact that Sony screwed the pooch with elliptical curve cryptography on the PS3.
So, underaged kids that use the PSN and had to enter in their parent's information for everything. Wonder how many of them are going to have their consoles flat out taken away when their parents hear about this on the national news and everything.
I know if I had been in that situation when I was a kid, I would have had a hell of a time convincing my parents that my PS3 would ever be safe again. Best I could hope for would be convincing them to let me keep it if I kept it offline at all times. I can't imagine today's parents are that much more tech savvy.
#1: Sony's moving the servers? OP, please update first post re: this? (Unless I'm just blind and missed it...)
#2: I wish Amazon sold PSN points the way it sells Xbox points. Last time I checked, you can get some games, but not all, and if you buy a points card, you pay shipping for Target to mail it to you. At the very least, this mess is going to seriously damage my (and probably others') impulse purchases off PSN.
#3: The hacker attitude is annoying because it's all about justifying sticking your nose in someone else's business. Program a f'ing game; customize your own Linux box to your heart's content; take up woodworking. But don't go fucking around other people's computers and systems and then act highminded about it. That's just creepy.
So, underaged kids that use the PSN and had to enter in their parent's information for everything. Wonder how many of them are going to have their consoles flat out taken away when their parents hear about this on the national news and everything.
I know if I had been in that situation when I was a kid, I would have had a hell of a time convincing my parents that my PS3 would ever be safe again. Best I could hope for would be convincing them to let me keep it if I kept it offline at all times. I can't imagine today's parents are that much more tech savvy.
It'll probably be worse with all the bullshit
I know people who are scared to put info on Amazon because they might have their details stolen :x
I don't get GAF's whining about "receiving my email". Why is it so important to receive an official email from Sony when we've known about the situation for nearly a week now?
Also, is Yahoo Mail Beta down for anyone else? I want to double check in case I should change my password or not.
Here is why I'm upset about not getting my e-mail long after taking care of securing myself back up.
The only way to find out about this officially from Sony is the e-mail they are sending out or their blog/twitter. Head on over to the Playstation website and you get business as usual. You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page to see the news and even then it doesn't jump out. If you go to the PSN website, same deal. If you go to log in it just tells you the server is down for maintenance. It's not enough imo.
I understand the anger from a regular joe who doesn't frequent forums, but that still doesn't explain why GAF members are repeatedly whining with "where is my email" when they're clearly subscribed to the thread.
Anyway, I'm hearing about lots of people changing their passwords, but what passwords should I be changing? All I can think of is my email address, since I don't have access to PSN and therefore can't change my login pass.
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It has to do with acknowledgment. Sure, everyone posting here knows what happened, but Sony, who have said they will be contacting people (and have), has not officially told them yet. It also looks bad when you consider that they took six days to give any official details. Combine that with the time of waiting for an email from the company that swears to value your business and you start to wonder how much.
Between the server busy messages, the lack of search, crappy Google-fu and being busy at work, I'm having a hard time finding the message about the servers being physically moved. Could someone repost the link?
I would expect (and hope) that there will be some significant layoffs at Sony's PR department and whatnot, and hopefully we'll get some new replacements who sound like actual human beings.
Anyway, another case of not knowing if it's related or not, but I was recently spammed with three friend invites on Steam from folks that are clearly not from my region....or any English-speaking region, to boot (one guy was named 늅늅 스파이). I thought it was odd.
I understand the anger from a regular joe who doesn't frequent forums, but that still doesn't explain why GAF members are repeatedly whining with "where is my email" when they're clearly subscribed to the thread.
Because it's indicative of just how fucking poorly Sony has handled this whole damn mess.
#3: The hacker attitude is annoying because it's all about justifying sticking your nose in someone else's business. Program a f'ing game; customize your own Linux box to your heart's content; take up woodworking. But don't go fucking around other people's computers and systems and then act highminded about it. That's just creepy.
I do think there was justification in jailbreaking it because Sony used the OtherOS system and the ability of PS3 users to run Linux on their consoles as a significant part of their advertising. Everyone was playing the same game until Sony decided to change the rules half way through. No one is trying to justify the actions of the hackers that perpetrated this attack, I just don't think we should be casting aspersions upon the community of people who wanted to continue to use Linux/homebrew because of the actions of a wholly separate criminal group.
(I'm not accusing anyone of this specifically, I don't mean it to come across that way. It is a sentiment that I have noticed from comments elsewhere.)
#1: Sony's moving the servers? OP, please update first post re: this? (Unless I'm just blind and missed it...)
#2: I wish Amazon sold PSN points the way it sells Xbox points. Last time I checked, you can get some games, but not all, and if you buy a points card, you pay shipping for Target to mail it to you. At the very least, this mess is going to seriously damage my (and probably others') impulse purchases off PSN.
#3: The hacker attitude is annoying because it's all about justifying sticking your nose in someone else's business. Program a f'ing game; customize your own Linux box to your heart's content; take up woodworking. But don't go fucking around other people's computers and systems and then act highminded about it. That's just creepy.
You can buy instant points off of Amazon. As soon as you complete the purchase the code pops up on your computer screen which you then enter into PSN to immediately add funds to your wallet. There is no shipping.
The only downside is I think they're only in incremements of $20 or $50
Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
It's a requirement to beef your computer geek class to level 18, but other than that not really.
Edit: It's useful for business infrastructure and all, but on the consumer end no.
I don't get GAF's whining about "receiving my email". Why is it so important to receive an official email from Sony when we've known about the situation for nearly a week now?
Also, is Yahoo Mail Beta down for anyone else? I want to double check in case I should change my password or not.
Here is why I'm upset about not getting my e-mail long after taking care of securing myself back up.
The only way to find out about this officially from Sony is the e-mail they are sending out or their blog/twitter. Head on over to the Playstation website and you get business as usual. You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page to see the news and even then it doesn't jump out. If you go to the PSN website, same deal. If you go to log in it just tells you the server is down for maintenance. It's not enough imo.
I understand the anger from a regular joe who doesn't frequent forums, but that still doesn't explain why GAF members are repeatedly whining with "where is my email" when they're clearly subscribed to the thread.
Anyway, I'm hearing about lots of people changing their passwords, but what passwords should I be changing? All I can think of is my email address, since I don't have access to PSN and therefore can't change my login pass.
1) You will have to change your PSN password once you can log in again.
2) You should change the password associated with your PSN ID (probably only really needed if you linked email and PSN ID have the same password, but a change can't hurt you).
3) You should change the password of any account that shares either its name or password with your PSN account.
Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
I like it on my netbook because it is underpowered and WinXP (which came loaded on it) did not run well. And it runs Firefox and OpenOffice just fine which is all I really use this computer for.
You can buy instant points off of Amazon. As soon as you complete the purchase the code pops up on your computer screen which you then enter into PSN to immediately add funds to your wallet. There is no shipping.
The only downside is I think they're only in incremements of $20 or $50
Awesome! Thanks for the tip.
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Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
It's actually extremely useful for making low-cost high-powered super computers. The US Air Force built a cluster of 1760 PS3s just before 'OtherOS' was removed. Needless to say, they weren't thrilled about the feature getting pulled. It's also a popular thing to do in the academic sector.
Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
Believe it or not, lots of people use it because they like it. Whether or not it harder or easier is largely dependant on what you are trying to do or what your background is.
For example the things I like most about linux are:
Most configuration stuff is done in flat file in the /etc directory rather than a large complicated registry.
Everything is a file. (Not 100% true, but things like your hard drive and such are represented by such in /dev)
Everything is open. I learned more about computers in 2 years using linux in 90s than I did in 10 using windows, due to being able to follow all the startup scripts, looking at and compiling source code.
Comes with everything and the kitchen sink. (bash, python, perl, ruby, apache all handled by package managers)
I wholly agree its not for everyone, but I sure as hell don't do it because I'm a masochist, to me it just makes "more sense" and is conducive to learning.
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Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
If theres one thing I've learned from my Linux class, its that the old quote "Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing" is true. I can understand its uses, especially in the business world, but would never use it as a consumer.
As if it couldn't get anymore stressful; A group of hackers on an IRC channel claim to have around 2.2 million credit card numbers with CVVs that they obtained from PSN. They are attempting to sell the database.
Likely fake but bleeeeh. Not sure what to think. There are a lot of crazy people out there. It is important to note too that PSN never actually required a CVV when purchasing something. So I suppose people could technically just steal your credit card info and load up on PSN games or something. That's not to reassuring.
Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
Linux is an operating system, not a GUI front-end (Imagine stripping away the Windows or Mac OS GUI front-end...). Part of the reason to use Linux is the wealth of programs available out there for free or with open source code. It doesn't apply much to gamers or the typical home computer user (who just want to maek Excel spreadsh33ts to use as a text table), but it has its uses. Linux is computing that isn't dumbed down for the masses (like Windows or Mac), although there are many spiffy GUI front ends that beat both Windows and Mac OS in speed and functionality. You lose the consumer software market, but you gain the ability to use cheap (usually free) programs actively developed by computer users who actually do it for a hobby. Even now, I like to use Gimp more than Photoshop.
It's a different appeal. Take, for instance, Oblivion versus Mount and Blade. Mount and Blade is much less pretty, doesn't have voice acting or high production values, and is made by a small development team. However, the Mount and Blade people are passionate about their game, and you get an experience that you can't find from Oblivion.
Besides, learning Linux isn't more complicated than futzing with regedit or a command line. In most cases, it's actually much simpler.
Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
It's not for everyone, and personally I haven't had Linux installed on a PS3 for a while. I had one around release and at the time the PS3 was a hell of a lot better as a desktop than the crappy netbook I had. It was fairly easy to have a Linux partition that I could use and at the same time be able to boot the native OS when I wanted to game. There were other features that were pretty cool but not at all essential, like being able to use Firefox but at that point the PS3 was acting as our home media hub and was doing a good job of it. Eventually that console died, we replaced it with a slimline but by that point we had better options so losing the Linux support wasn't a huge deal for me. I was only using it for pretty basic stuff though, there were a lot of people making far better use of it than I did and I can understand why they would want to go back to that.
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Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
I like it on my netbook because it is underpowered and WinXP (which came loaded on it) did not run well. And it runs Firefox and OpenOffice just fine which is all I really use this computer for.
Same here. Just started using it a few months ago on my underpowered laptop. It's fast as hell. No spyware or viruses, either.
As if it couldn't get anymore stressful; A group of hackers on an IRC channel claim to have around 2.2 million credit card numbers with CVVs that they obtained from PSN. They are attempting to sell the database.
Likely fake but bleeeeh. Not sure what to think. There are a lot of crazy people out there. It is important to note too that PSN never actually required a CVV when purchasing something. So I suppose people could technically just steal your credit card info and load up on PSN games or something. That's not to reassuring.
Presumably if this did occur the CC#s and CVVs were intercepted while the network was compromised, before Sony detected anything wrong (or before they decided to do anything about it).
Apparently the PS3 sends your purchase order via HTTP GET, which sends a plaintext URL. [Edit to add: The URL your PS3 sends when making a purchase apparently includes your CC#, CVV, address, name, etc.] Even if the transmission is encrypted (so someone couldn't "listen in"), it gets read by the PSN server so the purchase order can go through.
No matter how secure your code, if someone has access to the decrypted message, they can read it. If the network was compromised, people aside from Sony had access to the decrypted messages.
But, this is all second hand from the SA discussion thread. I haven't been following it as close as I should, but I don't have much reason to doubt the posters that explained it in the SA forums thread.
I've been reading that SA thread as well here and there. Trying to block out a lot of the petty arguing and immaturity though. This thread has been easier to read because people in here have been a lot more calm about the whole thing.
So what I am hearing is... hackers not only tackled the database, but they also cracked the key for the encryption to intercept, and decipher sensitive data being sent over the public net.
I'm kind of a realistic guy and the truth is much more simple than the stuff most people are saying. In this case the information may vary but the end result is like every other time this happens, information will be "leaked" by accident, rebuild and move on. Don't expect a class action to go anywhere either, just my opinion on that one there.
And as a side note for the general public, this is a shotgun blast:
If you do illegal things (And you know you do. do not lie to me.), and then spit on a company who gets fucked, you should step back and reconsider your perspective. I hate Sony, but don't hate them because it's cool to do it right now. Just go about with yourself.
And as a side note for the general public, this is a shotgun blast:
If you do illegal things (And you know you do. do not lie to me.), and then spit on a company who gets fucked, you should step back and reconsider your perspective. I hate Sony, but don't hate them because it's cool to do it right now. Just go about with yourself.
#3: The hacker attitude is annoying because it's all about justifying sticking your nose in someone else's business. Program a f'ing game; customize your own Linux box to your heart's content; take up woodworking. But don't go fucking around other people's computers and systems and then act highminded about it. That's just creepy.
I do think there was justification in jailbreaking it because Sony used the OtherOS system and the ability of PS3 users to run Linux on their consoles as a significant part of their advertising. Everyone was playing the same game until Sony decided to change the rules half way through. No one is trying to justify the actions of the hackers that perpetrated this attack, I just don't think we should be casting aspersions upon the community of people who wanted to continue to use Linux/homebrew because of the actions of a wholly separate criminal group.
(I'm not accusing anyone of this specifically, I don't mean it to come across that way. It is a sentiment that I have noticed from comments elsewhere.)
Not to be an apologist or anything but i'm pretty damn sure that they probably removed it not just to be dicks, but because they discovered it opened up the system to jailbreaking.
And BTW F the hackers, they should have the death penalty for those f'ing shitheads.
Apparently the PS3 sends your purchase order via HTTP GET, which sends a plaintext URL. [Edit to add: The URL your PS3 sends when making a purchase apparently includes your CC#, CVV, address, name, etc.] Even if the transmission is encrypted (so someone couldn't "listen in"), it gets read by the PSN server so the purchase order can go through.
If this is true, its ridiculous and lazy on Sony's part. I mean, seriously, a HTTP GET? Come on...
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Ok, because it's kind of different from other e-mails where they go "you may have some information compromised" to "your name, address, e-mail, etc. has been compromised, lol sorry."
Is there any legit reason to use Linux other than pure bloodymindedness? The whole OS just seems overly complicated and the antithesis of user friendly and for what? Less compatibility than you'd get from a Windows or Mac OS.
It's actually extremely useful for making low-cost high-powered super computers. The US Air Force built a cluster of 1760 PS3s just before 'OtherOS' was removed. Needless to say, they weren't thrilled about the feature getting pulled. It's also a popular thing to do in the academic sector.
Hell, I read an entire paper dedicated to the usefulness of using clustered PS3s as a platform for computer vision.
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The instant ones off Amazon? Weird, the email Amazon sent me awhile back implied they'd just become available.
The jab at the end, I believe, is a reference to xkcd, and the fact that Sony screwed the pooch with elliptical curve cryptography on the PS3.
I know if I had been in that situation when I was a kid, I would have had a hell of a time convincing my parents that my PS3 would ever be safe again. Best I could hope for would be convincing them to let me keep it if I kept it offline at all times. I can't imagine today's parents are that much more tech savvy.
#2: I wish Amazon sold PSN points the way it sells Xbox points. Last time I checked, you can get some games, but not all, and if you buy a points card, you pay shipping for Target to mail it to you. At the very least, this mess is going to seriously damage my (and probably others') impulse purchases off PSN.
#3: The hacker attitude is annoying because it's all about justifying sticking your nose in someone else's business. Program a f'ing game; customize your own Linux box to your heart's content; take up woodworking. But don't go fucking around other people's computers and systems and then act highminded about it. That's just creepy.
It'll probably be worse with all the bullshit
I know people who are scared to put info on Amazon because they might have their details stolen :x
I understand the anger from a regular joe who doesn't frequent forums, but that still doesn't explain why GAF members are repeatedly whining with "where is my email" when they're clearly subscribed to the thread.
Anyway, I'm hearing about lots of people changing their passwords, but what passwords should I be changing? All I can think of is my email address, since I don't have access to PSN and therefore can't change my login pass.
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Between the server busy messages, the lack of search, crappy Google-fu and being busy at work, I'm having a hard time finding the message about the servers being physically moved. Could someone repost the link?
Anyway, another case of not knowing if it's related or not, but I was recently spammed with three friend invites on Steam from folks that are clearly not from my region....or any English-speaking region, to boot (one guy was named 늅늅 스파이). I thought it was odd.
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I do think there was justification in jailbreaking it because Sony used the OtherOS system and the ability of PS3 users to run Linux on their consoles as a significant part of their advertising. Everyone was playing the same game until Sony decided to change the rules half way through. No one is trying to justify the actions of the hackers that perpetrated this attack, I just don't think we should be casting aspersions upon the community of people who wanted to continue to use Linux/homebrew because of the actions of a wholly separate criminal group.
(I'm not accusing anyone of this specifically, I don't mean it to come across that way. It is a sentiment that I have noticed from comments elsewhere.)
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You can buy instant points off of Amazon. As soon as you complete the purchase the code pops up on your computer screen which you then enter into PSN to immediately add funds to your wallet. There is no shipping.
The only downside is I think they're only in incremements of $20 or $50
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Son.
It's a requirement to beef your computer geek class to level 18, but other than that not really.
Edit: It's useful for business infrastructure and all, but on the consumer end no.
1) You will have to change your PSN password once you can log in again.
2) You should change the password associated with your PSN ID (probably only really needed if you linked email and PSN ID have the same password, but a change can't hurt you).
3) You should change the password of any account that shares either its name or password with your PSN account.
I like it on my netbook because it is underpowered and WinXP (which came loaded on it) did not run well. And it runs Firefox and OpenOffice just fine which is all I really use this computer for.
Awesome! Thanks for the tip.
It's actually extremely useful for making low-cost high-powered super computers. The US Air Force built a cluster of 1760 PS3s just before 'OtherOS' was removed. Needless to say, they weren't thrilled about the feature getting pulled. It's also a popular thing to do in the academic sector.
Believe it or not, lots of people use it because they like it. Whether or not it harder or easier is largely dependant on what you are trying to do or what your background is.
For example the things I like most about linux are:
Most configuration stuff is done in flat file in the /etc directory rather than a large complicated registry.
Everything is a file. (Not 100% true, but things like your hard drive and such are represented by such in /dev)
Everything is open. I learned more about computers in 2 years using linux in 90s than I did in 10 using windows, due to being able to follow all the startup scripts, looking at and compiling source code.
Comes with everything and the kitchen sink. (bash, python, perl, ruby, apache all handled by package managers)
I wholly agree its not for everyone, but I sure as hell don't do it because I'm a masochist, to me it just makes "more sense" and is conducive to learning.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
If theres one thing I've learned from my Linux class, its that the old quote "Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing" is true. I can understand its uses, especially in the business world, but would never use it as a consumer.
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Likely fake but bleeeeh. Not sure what to think. There are a lot of crazy people out there. It is important to note too that PSN never actually required a CVV when purchasing something. So I suppose people could technically just steal your credit card info and load up on PSN games or something. That's not to reassuring.
It's a different appeal. Take, for instance, Oblivion versus Mount and Blade. Mount and Blade is much less pretty, doesn't have voice acting or high production values, and is made by a small development team. However, the Mount and Blade people are passionate about their game, and you get an experience that you can't find from Oblivion.
Besides, learning Linux isn't more complicated than futzing with regedit or a command line. In most cases, it's actually much simpler.
It's not for everyone, and personally I haven't had Linux installed on a PS3 for a while. I had one around release and at the time the PS3 was a hell of a lot better as a desktop than the crappy netbook I had. It was fairly easy to have a Linux partition that I could use and at the same time be able to boot the native OS when I wanted to game. There were other features that were pretty cool but not at all essential, like being able to use Firefox but at that point the PS3 was acting as our home media hub and was doing a good job of it. Eventually that console died, we replaced it with a slimline but by that point we had better options so losing the Linux support wasn't a huge deal for me. I was only using it for pretty basic stuff though, there were a lot of people making far better use of it than I did and I can understand why they would want to go back to that.
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Same here. Just started using it a few months ago on my underpowered laptop. It's fast as hell. No spyware or viruses, either.
Presumably if this did occur the CC#s and CVVs were intercepted while the network was compromised, before Sony detected anything wrong (or before they decided to do anything about it).
Apparently the PS3 sends your purchase order via HTTP GET, which sends a plaintext URL. [Edit to add: The URL your PS3 sends when making a purchase apparently includes your CC#, CVV, address, name, etc.] Even if the transmission is encrypted (so someone couldn't "listen in"), it gets read by the PSN server so the purchase order can go through.
No matter how secure your code, if someone has access to the decrypted message, they can read it. If the network was compromised, people aside from Sony had access to the decrypted messages.
But, this is all second hand from the SA discussion thread. I haven't been following it as close as I should, but I don't have much reason to doubt the posters that explained it in the SA forums thread.
Regardless, Sony done fucked up.
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I'm kind of a realistic guy and the truth is much more simple than the stuff most people are saying. In this case the information may vary but the end result is like every other time this happens, information will be "leaked" by accident, rebuild and move on. Don't expect a class action to go anywhere either, just my opinion on that one there.
And as a side note for the general public, this is a shotgun blast:
If you do illegal things (And you know you do. do not lie to me.), and then spit on a company who gets fucked, you should step back and reconsider your perspective. I hate Sony, but don't hate them because it's cool to do it right now. Just go about with yourself.
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Wait, what? Like, any illegal things?
I think that is, technically, illegal in the United States.
Fuck.
Not to be an apologist or anything but i'm pretty damn sure that they probably removed it not just to be dicks, but because they discovered it opened up the system to jailbreaking.
And BTW F the hackers, they should have the death penalty for those f'ing shitheads.
Nah, I'm pretty sure Dual Citizenship is perfectly legal in the US.
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If this is true, its ridiculous and lazy on Sony's part. I mean, seriously, a HTTP GET? Come on...
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My understanding is that they're sending the same email to every email address in the PSN system.
It is presumed that everyone in the PSN system got the information stolen.
So I guess both possibilities in your statement are true, depending on which angle you come at it from.
Hell, I read an entire paper dedicated to the usefulness of using clustered PS3s as a platform for computer vision.