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[Phalla] ELEMENTALIST - Final Chapter: The Elemental Balance

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Well, yeah. We were too timid in using non-anonymous attacks (but considering that our anonymity is one of our greatest assets I accept that it's risky business) but the big crippling failure was in information gathering. And don't get me started on not correctly acting on the information that we did have.

    Not that I was a shining bastion of mafia competency either! I didn't even pick an initial ability to learn when the game kicked off, and on Day 4 I accidentally shielded ahava instead of hitting her with a probe.

    Inactives, wasting the group power, and general terribleness. These are the three demons you must slay in order to prosper in any Blarnfidel or Blarnfidel-esque game

    Edcrab on
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  • thorgotthorgot there is special providence in the fall of a sparrowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Infidel wrote: »
    Look my only mistake was in trusting a guy who i know to be really talented at being a sneaky s.o.b. who turned out to be mafia. Is that so wrong? :P

    anyway wait.

    megatin, a mafia, was in a pregame alliance nd you all knew who he was?

    Not entirely sure i get how that works

    Read the final narration. :D

    Village victory, he didn't die!

    He lost, though, which is just as bad.

    thorgot on
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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    thorgot wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    Look my only mistake was in trusting a guy who i know to be really talented at being a sneaky s.o.b. who turned out to be mafia. Is that so wrong? :P

    anyway wait.

    megatin, a mafia, was in a pregame alliance nd you all knew who he was?

    Not entirely sure i get how that works

    Read the final narration. :D

    Village victory, he didn't die!

    He lost, though, which is just as bad.

    Mafia lost because of inactivity and incompetence, not Megatin.

    He didn't lose he gets a big ???, just ask FWD and his runaway with a shard! :lol:

    Infidel on
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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Oh yeah, I forgot I twice offered healing to be directed by Infidel (and a couple times just healed him) but never got any acknowledgement to any of my PMs.

    Acknowledgements take PM space.

    Also, "here unknown possibly mafia person PMing me with no clearance at all so far, here is my seer, take good care of him. :^:"

    Infidel on
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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Ringo wrote: »
    You having fun always comes at my expense!

    There are reasons!

    Ringo, I'm offering you a blanket pregame alliance for the next time Spectrum show up. Between a dingo and Captain Black, we cannot fail to succeed!

    Wildcat on
  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Regardless, I'm still not a big fan of pregame pacts.

    Whether or not you consciously act on the information, knowing from the outset who is or isn't mafia will have an undeniable influence on the game. It's like a free initial seering.

    Granted we knew to cut all ties to Megatin to avoid potentially incriminating ourselves in the thread, but I still don't like it at all.

    Edcrab on
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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Wildcat wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    You having fun always comes at my expense!

    There are reasons!

    Ringo, I'm offering you a blanket pregame alliance for the next time Spectrum show up. Between a dingo and Captain Black, we cannot fail to succeed!

    How can I say no?

    Killing Spectrums is my cause

    Ringo on
  • thorgotthorgot there is special providence in the fall of a sparrowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Infidel wrote: »
    thorgot wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    Look my only mistake was in trusting a guy who i know to be really talented at being a sneaky s.o.b. who turned out to be mafia. Is that so wrong? :P

    anyway wait.

    megatin, a mafia, was in a pregame alliance nd you all knew who he was?

    Not entirely sure i get how that works

    Read the final narration. :D

    Village victory, he didn't die!

    He lost, though, which is just as bad.

    Mafia lost because of inactivity and incompetence, not Megatin.

    He didn't lose he gets a big ???, just ask FWD and his runaway with a shard! :lol:

    No, he lost too.

    I'm not blaming him for me losing (as you said, our own incompetence and inactivity can be blamed for that). I blame him for throwing away his own chances at winning.

    What an awful thing to be encouraging people to do, Infidel.

    thorgot on
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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Infidel wrote: »
    Oh yeah, I forgot I twice offered healing to be directed by Infidel (and a couple times just healed him) but never got any acknowledgement to any of my PMs.

    Acknowledgements take PM space.

    Also, "here unknown possibly mafia person PMing me with no clearance at all so far, here is my seer, take good care of him. :^:"

    Oh yeah, I understand. I didn't have time to really try and do much more. I just never heard anything then the seering and "Why are you acting suspicious when you're a villager" theme on the proboard.

    I was just all "I was trying to help!"

    DevoutlyApathetic on
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  • SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Thanks to MrBlarney for running this, one of the most fun phallas I've been involved in, in part to general hilarity due to spectrums/webcomic day.

    Considered outing myself as the other survival neutral once we were getting close to the end, not sure if it would have saved me or not

    SeGaTai on
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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Thanks to MrBlarney for running this, one of the most fun phallas I've been involved in, in part to general hilarity due to spectrums/webcomic day.

    Considered outing myself as the other survival neutral once we were getting close to the end, not sure if it would have saved me or not
    Would've had a decent chance. We were just running through a list of people, that could have put you down closer to the bottom potentially.

    Thanks for running Blarney! Was lots of fun! My biggest regret is that I accidentally speced in Wood instead of Earth, so I made a very poor Toph :(.

    It was all very well done and very entertaining.

    Also, I survived! Weeeee!

    thorgot: you are the best outed mafia still.

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  • ArdorArdor Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Regardless, I'm still not a big fan of pregame pacts.

    Whether or not you consciously act on the information, knowing from the outset who is or isn't mafia will have an undeniable influence on the game. It's like a free initial seering.

    Granted we knew to cut all ties to Megatin to avoid potentially incriminating ourselves in the thread, but I still don't like it at all.

    I used to be in these a long time ago and the two biggest issues with them that I see is what you decide to put as first priority, your win condition or your pre-game alliance and that these are really only fun for those in them and not for those outside of them. I'm not sure how people see them now, but they used to be seen as little cliche groups, almost like you were 'in' if you were with these, otherwise you were not.

    Personally, I think they tend to detract from the overall game experience for those outside of the group and if newer players feel like they don't belong or don't get what's going on when you see these groups, it can put them off a bit and detract from their experience.

    Ardor on
  • thorgotthorgot there is special providence in the fall of a sparrowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Results for mafia: Two withdrew for inactivity, one revealed for no reason, 9 killed legitimately.
    Results for Spectrum Five: One mafia, one banned, that leaves three winners.

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    Thanks for running this MrB, it was fun.

    thorgot on
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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Ouch thorgot.

    I know this isn't popular but for me the whole alliance thing falls into the same category as "Rend never lies", it discards your game directed imperatives for ones you choose to make up for yourself. It is a bit like playing Capture the Flag as Deathmatch.

    DevoutlyApathetic on
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  • Stew_StickStew_Stick Dinner UKRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Ardor wrote: »
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Regardless, I'm still not a big fan of pregame pacts.

    Whether or not you consciously act on the information, knowing from the outset who is or isn't mafia will have an undeniable influence on the game. It's like a free initial seering.

    Granted we knew to cut all ties to Megatin to avoid potentially incriminating ourselves in the thread, but I still don't like it at all.

    I used to be in these a long time ago and the two biggest issues with them that I see is what you decide to put as first priority, your win condition or your pre-game alliance and that these are really only fun for those in them and not for those outside of them. I'm not sure how people see them now, but they used to be seen as little cliche groups, almost like you were 'in' if you were with these, otherwise you were not.

    Personally, I think they tend to detract from the overall game experience for those outside of the group and if newer players feel like they don't belong or don't get what's going on when you see these groups, it can put them off a bit and detract from their experience.

    Yea, pre-game alliances always end up screwing over the faction in the minority within them and there's never really much they seem to be able to do about it. At least these seems to be the case from my experience.

    Anyway, this game was a blast. I hope my guards helped people. Although I think I could have maybe kept Gumpy alive if I hadn't switched my guard target the day he died. :P

    Stew_Stick on
  • GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I died a horrible and painful death

    Gumpy on
  • Rawkking GoodguyRawkking Goodguy Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Stew_Stick wrote: »
    Ardor wrote: »
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Regardless, I'm still not a big fan of pregame pacts.

    Whether or not you consciously act on the information, knowing from the outset who is or isn't mafia will have an undeniable influence on the game. It's like a free initial seering.

    Granted we knew to cut all ties to Megatin to avoid potentially incriminating ourselves in the thread, but I still don't like it at all.

    I used to be in these a long time ago and the two biggest issues with them that I see is what you decide to put as first priority, your win condition or your pre-game alliance and that these are really only fun for those in them and not for those outside of them. I'm not sure how people see them now, but they used to be seen as little cliche groups, almost like you were 'in' if you were with these, otherwise you were not.

    Personally, I think they tend to detract from the overall game experience for those outside of the group and if newer players feel like they don't belong or don't get what's going on when you see these groups, it can put them off a bit and detract from their experience.

    Yea, pre-game alliances always end up screwing over the faction in the minority within them and there's never really much they seem to be able to do about it. At least these seems to be the case from my experience.

    Anyway, this game was a blast. I hope my guards helped people. Although I think I could have maybe kept Gumpy alive if I hadn't switched my guard target the day he died. :P

    IMO pregame alliances are for faction games. Those games already suffer somewhat for being phalla cliquey in the soft networking that goes on, so why not have a little fun with it?

    I don't think I'm ever going to join a sizable pregame in a village vs. mafia game again. One on one deals maybe.

    Plus whenever I try to join Gumpy's pregame I get a mafia role and then he
    Gumpy wrote: »
    died a horrible and painful death

    (zing)
    never again

    Rawkking Goodguy on
  • El SkidEl Skid The frozen white northRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Alliances can be fun.

    My favorite ever was when I received a role that was like "you are the ultimate badguy- if you can find another role, you will be more powerful!"... And the guy I had to find was the person I had made an alliance with. The host was somewhat surprised to receive a PM saying "Found him!" within an hour of role PMs going out :P

    Seriously though, you have to be really careful about what you do as far as alliances go. If you have diametrically opposite win conditions, don't try to work together- just pretend you never made the alliance and go on your way- if you get evidence they're who they said they were, kill em off.

    If you can possibly win together without screwing over everyone sharing your win condition, go for it!

    At no time should you betray the people you're masoned with to go for a pre-game alliance joint win- that's breaking the game. At no time should you act against your win condition just to save someone you've allied with.

    If you use common sense and have a good sense of fair play, I see nothing wrong with pregame alliances.

    Just..don't be a douchebag about it.

    El Skid on
  • MaxFrostMaxFrost Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I was in contact with Rend, and was supporting him until a network head showed up. I wasn't part of the black market network though.

    I was still sad he died :(

    Was I the only one with a Shield All ability?

    MaxFrost on
  • HeavyVillainHeavyVillain Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    eliminate all mafia? Too easy! Let's try to eliminate all mafia while keeping a specific one alive to the end. Thats a real challenge.. :P

    HeavyVillain on
  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    El Skid wrote: »
    Alliances can be fun.

    My favorite ever was when I received a role that was like "you are the ultimate badguy- if you can find another role, you will be more powerful!"... And the guy I had to find was the person I had made an alliance with. The host was somewhat surprised to receive a PM saying "Found him!" within an hour of role PMs going out :P

    Seriously though, you have to be really careful about what you do as far as alliances go. If you have diametrically opposite win conditions, don't try to work together- just pretend you never made the alliance and go on your way- if you get evidence they're who they said they were, kill em off.

    If you can possibly win together without screwing over everyone sharing your win condition, go for it!

    At no time should you betray the people you're masoned with to go for a pre-game alliance joint win- that's breaking the game. At no time should you act against your win condition just to save someone you've allied with.

    If you use common sense and have a good sense of fair play, I see nothing wrong with pregame alliances.

    Just..don't be a douchebag about it.

    I normally don't have much issue with pregames, but the idea of a cast-iron pact where you have to reveal to the rest of your team does not sit well with me: like Skid, I would've normally imagined such agreements would have dissolved without further mention if they'd turned out to involve a mafia-villager connection. It's not like anybody asked the rest of the mafia how we felt about it.

    More trouble than it's worth if you ask me. Sitting on the knowledge that Megatin was mafia for the whole damn game, and trying to balance that with the expectation that you do everything in your power to meet your win condition.

    Whether or not it had any impact whatsoever on the final outcome, it's all a bit silly. Far be it for me to dictate how the phalla community should play, but for me they're an unnecessary complication. You're fabricating another level of gameplay to paste over the host's own, as if the default experience is fine for everyone else but you just need that little something extra to keep yourself entertained.

    With that in mind, my additional win condition that I have just now (retroactively) imposed on myself was to get HeavyVillain eliminated from the game. I'm calling this a win!

    Edcrab on
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  • HeavyVillainHeavyVillain Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    did i mention that I hate you? Because I need to mention that I hate you

    HeavyVillain on
  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Yeah it was like 'I have these powers, these HP, and I'm concentrating on these affinities. Oh, and I told Infidel I was Mafia.'

    That's... not a great thing to read when you're on the same team as this person. Not a great thing to read at all.

    Kay on
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  • EdcrabEdcrab Actually a hack Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    did i mention that I hate you? Because I need to mention that I hate you

    You're going about it in the wrong way V!

    What you need to do is fire a PM off to a veteran player while blabbering about how much you hate me. And make sure to put "P.S., I am a mafia, kill me now" at the end of it.

    I bet you're glad I'm here to help!

    Edcrab on
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  • HeavyVillainHeavyVillain Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    for all eternity im gonna be that guy, arent I.

    Primaphorior, and the villager who commited suicide cos a mafia told him to :(

    HeavyVillain on
  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Another good reason why I was wary of healers (other than my networks being run in PM not proboards unless you're confirmed 100%):
    teucrian wrote:
    roman wrote:
    Yeah, don't kill rend yet. DO try to get in touch with the vig and network infiltrate.

    The actual network is too smart for that. They know Ringo is dead, and they understand the circumstances in which he died. Besides I'm not going to infiltrate an Infidel network when I don't officially have to know anything.

    Here's the information I'll get if I try to infiltrate:

    1) Heal Infidel
    2) We'll seer you before we'll tell you to heal anyone else.

    As near as I can tell it's swordstone who made the blunder here, by himself. I doubt he's hooked up with the seer right now, except through Rend.

    So anyway, ultimate healing myself seems more effective than defending, if there's a gank squad after me.

    Infidel on
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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    teucrian wrote:
    After getting probed last night, Infidel may or may not commit resources to guarding himself. Infi likes to play "Guard Roulette", see. That is, he tries to guess who will actually be targeted by the mafia, instead of statically leaving the guard on the most vulnerable person.

    Much respect for Teucrian for actually paying attention in phalla!

    Infidel on
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  • HeavyVillainHeavyVillain Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    heh

    edcrab sure was polite about getting voted off

    HeavyVillain on
  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Teucrian, now it is you who have impressed me. I like what I see! Pretty good analysis, although too bad on the seer hunt but that was because I was misleading you guys on the seerings.

    I was getting anxious for Kippy to die so that I could tell him what really happened without him letting you guys know. :D

    Infidel on
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  • GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Edcrab wrote: »
    I normally don't have much issue with pregames, but the idea of a cast-iron pact where you have to reveal to the rest of your team does not sit well with me

    This is Phalla! The only thing Cast Iron about any of this is these fists right here

    Gumpy on
  • RendRend Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Teucrian wrote: »
    Sorry about that Ringo. Oh and Rend, since I'm pretty sure I didn't heal you either. And for all the lying and stuff. But to be fair, Rend, if the mafia was unwilling to lie through networking situations like that it would be way too advantageous for villagers. I feel the same way about pre-game spectrum style networks.

    I was actually counting on this. My plan was to be useful to the village in networking, and useful to the mafia in infiltration. Honestly I thought I was way more useful to the village than to the mafia, but it ended up being that the village killed me instead. Figure that.

    Rend on
  • RendRend Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Ouch thorgot.

    I know this isn't popular but for me the whole alliance thing falls into the same category as "Rend never lies", it discards your game directed imperatives for ones you choose to make up for yourself. It is a bit like playing Capture the Flag as Deathmatch.

    I really try to answer few enough questions that this does not affect the game on a meta level- I actually agree with you. I'm definitely aware of the repercussions of it, which is why I always take pains to make sure I am a minimal to nonexistent force in the game's rules.

    Rend on
  • LoserForHireXLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    kime wrote: »
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Thanks to MrBlarney for running this, one of the most fun phallas I've been involved in, in part to general hilarity due to spectrums/webcomic day.

    Considered outing myself as the other survival neutral once we were getting close to the end, not sure if it would have saved me or not
    Would've had a decent chance. We were just running through a list of people, that could have put you down closer to the bottom potentially.

    Thanks for running Blarney! Was lots of fun! My biggest regret is that I accidentally speced in Wood instead of Earth, so I made a very poor Toph :(.

    It was all very well done and very entertaining.

    Also, I survived! Weeeee!

    thorgot: you are the best outed mafia still.

    You are welcome for surviving.

    Though the fact that I was heavily Metal focused and had to essentially change everything to fire in order to give you sweet sweet healing made me sad.

    This was a pretty damn fun game. I enjoy being useful without really having a power that requires me to judge whether people are good or not. I'm not a particularly good judge of character, especially over the internet, so healing was tons of fun.

    LoserForHireX on
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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I'm still waiting for the one day that Rend lies and wins a game because of it.
    I mean, he's sitting on three(?) years of people's trust in a gambit right now he's yet to cash in.

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  • RendRend Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    I'm still waiting for the one day that Rend lies and wins a game because of it.
    I mean, he's sitting on three(?) years of people's trust in a gambit right now he's yet to cash in.

    Mark my words.
    My permanent exit from phalla is going to be spectacular as HELL.

    Rend on
  • wildwoodwildwood Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Turns out I lasted for more of the phalla than I thought I would have... still, not bad, for just my second try.

    MrBlarney, your day notes about the misunderstanding with kime were exactly right. Otherwise I probably would have died a few days sooner... :)

    Am I the only one who took Boost and Neutralize as my first two skills?

    wildwood on
  • El SkidEl Skid The frozen white northRegistered User regular
    edited May 2011
    wildwood wrote: »
    Turns out I lasted for more of the phall than I thought I would have... still, not bad, for just my second try.

    MrBlarney, your day notes about the misunderstanding with kime were exactly right. Otherwise I probably would have died a few days sooner... :)

    Am I the only one who took Boost and Neutralize as my first two skills?

    I did too. didnt really do anything useful with em, because I am apparently terrible.

    El Skid on
  • kuhlmeyekuhlmeye Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Thanks for running this Blarns. Good stuff.

    I'm happy I did get to be in a kill squad, if only for a couple days.

    kuhlmeye on
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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Yup! This was another amazing game, Mr B.! I liked PHA/LLA a bit more. Maybe 'cuz I lived longer...
    Like I said, the PHA/LLA interface should be some kinda game all by itself. It was so cool! Congrats again, Mr Miyagi! I learn at your feet. Wax on, wax off.

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited May 2011
    Thanks very much for running this, Mr Blarney.

    Infidel: I didn't actually use that metal shield on you. I would have if you hadn't said to do something else that night though!

    Wildcat on
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