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The TV Thread: More for Less

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  • ectoidectoid Registered User regular
    I've been looking to upgrade TVs recently and have really gotten wrapped around the axle. I could use some opinions/guidance.

    I currently have a 55" Samsung H6350 from 2014. My living room is normally of average brightness I would guess. Several windows perpendicular with blinds/plantation shutters to give a diffuse light. I spend my time with a solid mix of gaming(PS5, Switch), streaming content(Hulu, Netflix, Prime and HBO).

    The primary contenders are a Samsung QN90A, LG C1, or Sony A80j -- 65" preferred.

    I have not seen the Sony screen in person but it gets great reviews for picture quality -- lacks in gaming features for some reason.

    The LG C1 and QN90A I have compared in person and watched a great deal of reviews for. Best Buy would not, however, allow me to change the demo content. What was displayed looked outstanding on both. The brightness of the QN90A made it stand out more, but I understand this comes at the cost of potentially losing detail due to the dimming zones. It is difficult to track down numbers for my 2014 TV, but it looks like the C1 has brightness levels comparable to or greater than my current Samsung(~212cd/m2 for the Samsung and SDR ranging from 130-412cd/m2 depending on the window size for the C1).

    I have some concerns over OLED burn in but understand it is probably not a realistic concern on the C1 with normal use.

    I can get the QN90A for $1600 and the OLEDs are currently ~$2100.

    Sorry this post has rambled, but I've been stuck on this for a few weeks. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    I think the first thing you should figure out is whether you want an OLED with the potential for burn in and worse bright room performance, or a LED for better bright room performance and no (low?) risk of burn in, but worse picture quality (admittedly this depends on how much you notice blooming, the whiteish tint in dark/black scenes where only a portion of the dimming zone is depicting an object but the whole dimming zone needs to light up). Also Samsung doesn't support Dolby Vision if that matters to you.

    I was in a similar boat, though I was looking at the 77" A80J/C1 vs the 65" A90J/G1 and I ended up with an A80J.

    My use case is mostly streaming tv/movies with light gaming and currently none of it on a next gen console so the lack of proper VRR support wasn't super important to me. I'll probably end up with a PS5 at some point and apparently the Sonys have a pseudo VRR function with the PS5 (full VRR functionality is promised for this year, but who knows whether they'll be able to deliver).

    Shadowfire
  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    We've seen burn in claims drop considerably over the last couple models. Whatever mitigation they've been putting in the panels is doing some good at least. OLED panels have also gotten much brighter this generation. They still won't top the luminance in a Q90, but you make up for that in detail.

    Between them all, I tend to lean toward the LG C1 only because it's usually a bit cheaper than the Sony variant. They both have the same panel, just different processors underneath.

    WiiU: Windrunner ; Guild Wars 2: Shadowfire.3940 ; PSN: Bradcopter
    emp123
  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    ectoid wrote: »
    I've been looking to upgrade TVs recently and have really gotten wrapped around the axle. I could use some opinions/guidance.

    I currently have a 55" Samsung H6350 from 2014. My living room is normally of average brightness I would guess. Several windows perpendicular with blinds/plantation shutters to give a diffuse light. I spend my time with a solid mix of gaming(PS5, Switch), streaming content(Hulu, Netflix, Prime and HBO).

    The primary contenders are a Samsung QN90A, LG C1, or Sony A80j -- 65" preferred.

    I have not seen the Sony screen in person but it gets great reviews for picture quality -- lacks in gaming features for some reason.

    The LG C1 and QN90A I have compared in person and watched a great deal of reviews for. Best Buy would not, however, allow me to change the demo content. What was displayed looked outstanding on both. The brightness of the QN90A made it stand out more, but I understand this comes at the cost of potentially losing detail due to the dimming zones. It is difficult to track down numbers for my 2014 TV, but it looks like the C1 has brightness levels comparable to or greater than my current Samsung(~212cd/m2 for the Samsung and SDR ranging from 130-412cd/m2 depending on the window size for the C1).

    I have some concerns over OLED burn in but understand it is probably not a realistic concern on the C1 with normal use.

    I can get the QN90A for $1600 and the OLEDs are currently ~$2100.

    Sorry this post has rambled, but I've been stuck on this for a few weeks. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

    bias note: I hate samsung products, but will try to be objective.

    OLED's - LG was there first and Sony always make great sets, I think both would be great, just pick your preferred firmware.
    Samsung - unless you're getting 10+ inches, it's just straight worse technology. They've pushed it to the limit and they're likely great looking sets, but they'll still be a half step past traditional sets to OLED.
    If you want to keep the TV 3+ years, I'd go OLED, but it also depends on room/use etc.

  • DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    Yeah OLED burn-in is incredibly low, just check rtings.

    They all have a much lower failure rate then any other tv. LG and Sony specifically.

    The picture quality is a big difference for me personally, it feels like another level with the color.

  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    For what it's worth whatever tv you end up woth is probably going to be good. I spent a lot of time watching and reading a lot of info about the C1/G1/A80J/A90J leading up to my purchase and while it was helpful (and probably convinced me to get the 77" A80J over the 65" A90J, although the price tag did a lot of heavy lifting there too) I very quickly acclimated to my new TV.

    Which isn't to say I dont think/notice it's a definite improvement from where I was coming from (2014 Vizio), picture quality is great and the small details it helps pop are really impressive (fire looks really good, like oddly good, and 1080p up scaling is fantastic to the point where it can be hard to determine whether I'm watching 1080p content or 4k). But I expected to be wowed by the extra 22" I added to my tv, and for a time I was, but now I'm only reminded that I went stupid big with the TV after seeing someone else's TV and I have that oh right I basically have a wall for a TV moment.

  • ectoidectoid Registered User regular
    Thank for the input. Went with the LG c1. Have only had it a few hours and am happy so far. The setup was unpleasant-- the TV is heavy(~90 lbs) and feels so fragile. The base is also not the greatest(old stand had clearance for my soundbar and swiveled).

    The size and resolution upgrade are astounding.

    DixonShadowfire
  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    ectoid wrote: »
    Thank for the input. Went with the LG c1. Have only had it a few hours and am happy so far. The setup was unpleasant-- the TV is heavy(~90 lbs) and feels so fragile. The base is also not the greatest(old stand had clearance for my soundbar and swiveled).

    The size and resolution upgrade are astounding.

    I just got my C1 today! I was so nervous about it for the same reasons you were, and still am to a degree, as this would become my first OLED. My last panic was whether constant subtitles would cause burn in (we almost always use subtitles in our house).

    And yeah, the setup was horrible. Best Buy first warned us not to lay it flat in the car. It could flex and break, they said. That made the drive home and every interaction getting it put together a nervous experience. I feel like I need to go back soon and get an extended warranty.

    It's not as bright as the Vizio PQ65 it's replacing, which could hit 2000 nits, but blooming drove me crazy on the Vizio. I'm really sensitive to blooming, light bleed, and uniformity issues. I can too easily spot zone transitions. The LG C1? Flawless.

    We watched Blade Runner 2049 as our first movie on the set. Contrast, the pop of the image, the colors, and motion performance (TrueMotion's cinematic setting is rather good) made the movie almost seem three dimensional at times. I'm still cautious about my use of the TV, but I've never had a TV with a more perfect picture.

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    emp123Shadowfire
  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    The OLED tvs are probably the only ones I'm kinda ok with lying flat to transport since they're packed so tightly in the box. But this is mostly a "don't do this" warning because on the off chance the panel did break, they won't allow returns.

    WiiU: Windrunner ; Guild Wars 2: Shadowfire.3940 ; PSN: Bradcopter
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