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Right now I work at a Walmart, part time, averaging around 32 hours per week. I make about $8 per hour. I can live on it, but I've really gotta stretch it to save any money. I have enough money saved that I could potentially invest it in a certification course or something like that (A+ or perhaps equivalent certs in other fields)
I would like to make $12-15 per hour or more. I've been told this is modest, but it's pretty much the minimum.
I really don't want to be at Walmart any longer than 6-8 months, but I won't quit until I find something better.
Any ideas/suggestions/thoughts? Basically "how do I proceed from here?" is the gist of what I'm saying.
No higher education. No unique skills that I'm aware of...what kind of unique skills?
As for long term career goals, my ultimate goal has nothing to do with any job I'll have. This is purely about money. Don't care about anything else.
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IT certifications seem like a good idea, but I learned the hard way a few years ago that they don't mean much without at least a little documented experience to back them up. I don't have a better idea, I just wouldn't go this route (again).
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IT certifications seem like a good idea, but I learned the hard way a few years ago that they don't mean much without at least a little documented experience to back them up. I don't have a better idea, I just wouldn't go this route (again).
On this note, if you want experience, try finding a job... well... anywhere that is smaller than Wal-Mart that has a small IT team, or even one person. For example, apply to be a receptionist, file-clerk, or something like that at a law firm. They might not have much in their IT department.
Then just ask what you can do to help. Actively seek experience there. Hopefully you'll get to shadow their team and learn a lot in the process, and get that experience you need.
Of course, this is much easier said than done, but I wish you all the best luck!
If you're purely concerned about income, have you thought about moving to find well paying work?
Oil and gas workers make good money for hard physical labor in challenging locations (think Canadian wilderness, south American jungle, or middle of the north Atlantic)
Same with contractors willing to put themselves at risk in Iraq or Afghanistan.
I suppose moving isn't really out of the question at all, but "hard physical labor" is a scary descriptor. How hard is hard? And what could I offer to a contractor in a place like Iraq?
Learn a trade. I work for as an engineer for a manufacturing company, and we can't find good welders/machinists to save our lives. And depending on your area you could perhaps enter into some sort of apprenticeship.
Have you ruled out going full time at Wal-Mart and maybe even gunning for a supervisory role? Is it something just not available at that store? You could also consider transferring to another store that has openings for full timers. Wal-Mart is the devil incarnate, don't get me wrong, but for unskilled labor, it has some excellent pay and benefits once you get fully integrated into their cult. Is this out of the question for you? Also, if you're a dude, I hear it's quite sexist, so, leg up. :P
If you clean up well and have a modicum of computer skills (which I assume you do since you mentioned certs), consider looking for assistant positions. Being a good ol' fashioned Man Secretary can provide a lot of ins to a lot of other jobs in many different types of companies and rarely requires prior experience. You just have to be good in a room and then fill in the check boxes on all the other bullshit buzzwordery like "detail oriented." It might be something to consider.
These days Walmart (or at least the one I work at) is not in the habit of moving people up to full time. And from my understanding, the first level of management that gets a decent pay grade is an assistant manager, which is years away at best. My department manager and my zone supervisor make about $0.20 and $0.40 per hour more than I do, respectively (in terms of their base pay grade - they've been there long enough to get raises, which are capped for all hourly employees (anyone below assistant manager) at $0.40 per year - and that's the absolute maximum you can get with a glowing performance review.
One thing you have to consider is where you're living. Are you currently living in an area with high unemployment? If so, you may want to consider moving somewhere where there are more jobs.
Assuming you're single with no kids, you have some flexibility to move and look for more high-paying jobs.
If you only have a high school degree, then your options to make money are always going to be limited. As someone mentioned upthread, you can make pretty good money in the oil industry in the Dakotas, Alaska, the Gulf etc. But we're talking about hard and somewhat dangerous labor. But, the money can be very, very good and it's often the type of job where you work a few months, then get some months off.
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Learning a trade would be a good idea. Plumbers, electricians, welders, there's high demand for these jobs and there tends to be a dearth of people to fill them, and they also tend to pay pretty darn well. There's decent long-term potential as well, if you can work for a few years and safe up to eventually start your own company.
IT certifications seem like a good idea, but I learned the hard way a few years ago that they don't mean much without at least a little documented experience to back them up. I don't have a better idea, I just wouldn't go this route (again).
On this note, if you want experience, try finding a job... well... anywhere that is smaller than Wal-Mart that has a small IT team, or even one person. For example, apply to be a receptionist, file-clerk, or something like that at a law firm. They might not have much in their IT department.
Then just ask what you can do to help. Actively seek experience there. Hopefully you'll get to shadow their team and learn a lot in the process, and get that experience you need.
Of course, this is much easier said than done, but I wish you all the best luck!
Don't do this. God no. Not gonna get past help desk with this and there is nothing I can imagine that is worse than a career doing helpdesk. Getting a trade is about a trillion times better. Make way more, less stress, more in demand, useful everywhere.
The first step is looking for a job outside of retail, or at least daytime retail. If you have a local industrial park certain warehouse jobs start at around 12 an hour. If that isn't an option try finding a job working nights, you get a small bonus in pay for being willing to work the graveyard shift. Shoprite starts out at 10-11 an hour for night shift stocking in my area and has steady raises because it's union.
This is completely short term advice for someone that needs to make a living wage with no job history to speak of. In the future you should be looking at different types of schools or a trade.
Craigslist, monster, and Indeed should get you started for job postings, but putting in applications at everywhere you can will help if they ever have an unexpected opening.
I got a job as a law enforcement dispatcher when I was 20 years old with zero experience, just a high school degree, and my only job history being Home Depot.
They basically give you a computer skills/common sense style test and if you dominate it (particularly in typing speed and memory) you're generally golden. All the best dispatchers are usually males of the nerdy type that are used to multitasking and typing fast. I'd describe being a dispatcher as sort've like playing Starcraft or something, managing units and resources.
Starting pay was $18 an hour and I was at $29 an hour 5 years in. Just something to think about, I guess, but the hours are definitely not great all the time and there is plenty of stress.
I think I've found something. I can take the civil service exam, possibly get a job as a mail handler or something.
Is that typically done by county or state? I can't seem to find any schedules or prices, or any insight into what sorts of questions I can look forward to.
I looked into that two years ago, turns out there aren't/weren't actually any jobs available just places looking to take your money for the test.
Could be different now, but don't think of it as a guarantee and I wouldn't spend that money unless you could afford to.
You could always quit wally world and get a fabulous job in food service. I bus tables right now and make around 15$ an hour. Minimum wage plus tips. Waiting tables pays similar or better.
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You could always quit wally world and get a fabulous job in food service. I bus tables right now and make around 15$ an hour. Minimum wage plus tips. Waiting tables pays similar or better.
What? Do you live in an expensive city by chance?
Bussers hardly make any money at all. Maybe it's just me, but every restaurant i've ever worked at had bussers making $10 an hour max.
You can make great money as a food server, but it takes a lot of work, gotta be quick on your feet and you need to really smooze your tables. Either that or be a woman, where it's ten times easier even if you're moderately attractive. If you're a real looker you'll be raking in a bill each night no problem.
You could always quit wally world and get a fabulous job in food service. I bus tables right now and make around 15$ an hour. Minimum wage plus tips. Waiting tables pays similar or better.
What? Do you live in an expensive city by chance?
Bussers hardly make any money at all. Maybe it's just me, but every restaurant i've ever worked at had bussers making $10 an hour max.
You can make great money as a food server, but it takes a lot of work, gotta be quick on your feet and you need to really smooze your tables. Either that or be a woman, where it's ten times easier even if you're moderately attractive. If you're a real looker you'll be raking in a bill each night no problem.
I get tipped out by the servers. Some places do that, some don't. It would be hard to get full time hours and maintain that hourly though, since I would have to work some opening shifts where there are no customers. No customers = no tips.
So if you do try to bus some tables, find out if you get tips. If you don't go for serving tables.
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Get out of Walmart and out of retail as fast as you possibly can. Not only is it an evil, horrible company - most large retailers are the same. Seriously though, retail is a complete dead end for young people, as you do not gain any sort of meaningful experience, references to advance your resume or career, AND you get paid absolute shit.
Not that the restaurant industry is any different than retail, but you do get paid much better and have a lot more freedom to express yourself. Most servers, bussers and cooks swear more than sailors when they come into the kitchen - as long as the customers dont hear it management usually doesnt care. Any idiot can make a living as a server in a popular restaurant, hell even 18 year old kids at our local Olive Garden make 100+ a night, primarily because they are constantly slammed with customers. Find a busy restaurant with decent looking wait staff and an easy menu and apply.
Aside from that, the best advice I got when I was unemployed was to start freelance writing online. Start out at a content mill like Demand Studios - they pay 15 bucks per 450 word article that takes 30 minutes to write - then move up to your own monetized blog - and ultimately writing for private clients. There is a lot of money to be made for the people who are willing to write for it. You don't need a degree, just decent command of the English language and eventually some decent experience.
Judging from your Weight Loss Challenge you have some good self-motivation skills already, so just apply what you are doing there to your financial situation and everything will work itself out.
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In the short term: Prowl craigslist. Lots of smaller companies will post there for entry-level positions that will help you at the very least gin up some ideas for what you want to do.
In the longer term: I'm going to be that guy who tells you to get a Bachelor's degree. Even if you decide to learn a trade, a higher-education degree will open doors for you. People bitch about college, but the fact is that most people will find more opportunities available to them in the long run with a BA/BS, even if it's part time from a local satellite campus.
I would learn a trade if I were you. You make a good amount of money and you are always in business. I wouldn't waste time with college unless you go for a degree that will net you some sort of opportunity after college (like business, engineering, etc...).
I'm not sure what it's like in America, but in Australia, if you are not a qualified electrician you can't get any kind of insurance and the insurance of who/wherever you are working becomes void.
When I need extra cash, I usually search Craigslist for part time work. Sometimes people are willing to pay to help move, or for me to just drive them around, but yeah, for something more permanent, you can't beat learning a trade. Depending on where you live, working for the state might not be a bad job either. My girlfriend is in a government union and she gets 21 paid sick days on top of 30 paid vacation days a year. Not to mention the 14 state holidays she also gets off.
Learning a trade is nice but it is putting all of your eggs in one basket. If that trade dries up or is replaced by outsourcing, machiines, or non-existent demand, what then? For the short term it might be alright, but I wouldn't get settled in a vocation without something else up my sleeve.
I worked as a parking lot attendant for 1 summer and got $11.50 an hour. One friend of mine who had flunked out of college worked as a patient transporter (pushing people around on gurneys and wheelchairs) and got the same thing, and he was eventually able to go full time. Another friend worked at the same hospital as a janitor. Hospitals pay very well for unskilled labor. You would have to start out part time, but eventually a full time job will open up.
IT can make good money and easy to start at the bottom and work your way up. I started help desk at minimum wage and worked up to, well, I made a career of it.
What I would suggest:
Make a list of every IT place in your area (or willing to drive to). Apply at all. Start at the bottom. Don't pretend to know things you don't, but show a willingness and eagerness to learn.
It'll probably take a year or two to work up; so don't know if that qualifies as shorterm or not.
My dad brought something up that I wonder if I should ask about here.
He has some connections. And helping me get started with an apprenticeship in basically anything is totally doable.
But, he's worried (and I've thought of this too) that if I work as an electrician or a plumber or something, that I might not be working amongst the most progressively minded folk, and my being a trans girl may cause friction. Are there solutions or rebuttals?
My dad brought something up that I wonder if I should ask about here.
He has some connections. And helping me get started with an apprenticeship in basically anything is totally doable.
But, he's worried (and I've thought of this too) that if I work as an electrician or a plumber or something, that I might not be working amongst the most progressively minded folk, and my being a trans girl may cause friction. Are there solutions or rebuttals?
Male to female or Female to male?
Seems like if you were female to male it would be easier, people probably wouldn't even ask. The other way is likely to have severe blowback though. And if you are an electrician or plumber you will probably have to work in strangers houses. They might not take too kindly to you either.
This makes me think that IT is a good route though. Very few dress and look expectations as far as I have seen. Showing up dressed opposite gender would seem less out of place with people in long hair and metal band t shirts. I mean, some places might have mandatory corporate dress, I know people that show up to their IT jobs in shorts and t shirts.
Anything where you have to deal with strangers will likely cause some friction. And unless you are totally ripped in the muscle department, I would avoid those things.
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12$+hr? Are there any prisons / mental hospitals around? Apply there, they like people with exp. in those areas but if you are ready to work, learn, and accept a certain level of impending violence your good!
I work at a mental hospital (for 4 months now) and love it, I make 14$/hr, great benefits, they help with schooling (working twards RN (RN is a GREAT career choice btw, good money, even better job market).
IT is not an easy job. emotionally or physically. But it may be an option for you.
Keep in mind that the "not very progressive" attitudes thing cuts both ways. Tradespeople who have those attitudes cut themselves off from potential customers. There are tradespeople who make their living entirely off working in, say, the "gay village" of major cities.
I'm in a similar boat, only much more worn because I've been at Wal-Mart for three years too long. I'm basically just heading back to school and going to look for something better part-time.
Wal-Mart can be evil, however. I requested to go on full-time once I finished by initial 90 day evaluation. I got the 35+ hours a week, but it turns out I was not actually full-time. I was just part-time with full-time hours. It was a rather rude awakening when I moved out of my parent's house and, a week later, had a new scheduling system go in place that fixed the loophole I was in. Not to my benefit, of course.
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As for long term career goals, my ultimate goal has nothing to do with any job I'll have. This is purely about money. Don't care about anything else.
On this note, if you want experience, try finding a job... well... anywhere that is smaller than Wal-Mart that has a small IT team, or even one person. For example, apply to be a receptionist, file-clerk, or something like that at a law firm. They might not have much in their IT department.
Then just ask what you can do to help. Actively seek experience there. Hopefully you'll get to shadow their team and learn a lot in the process, and get that experience you need.
Of course, this is much easier said than done, but I wish you all the best luck!
Oil and gas workers make good money for hard physical labor in challenging locations (think Canadian wilderness, south American jungle, or middle of the north Atlantic)
Same with contractors willing to put themselves at risk in Iraq or Afghanistan.
If you clean up well and have a modicum of computer skills (which I assume you do since you mentioned certs), consider looking for assistant positions. Being a good ol' fashioned Man Secretary can provide a lot of ins to a lot of other jobs in many different types of companies and rarely requires prior experience. You just have to be good in a room and then fill in the check boxes on all the other bullshit buzzwordery like "detail oriented." It might be something to consider.
Good luck!
Assuming you're single with no kids, you have some flexibility to move and look for more high-paying jobs.
If you only have a high school degree, then your options to make money are always going to be limited. As someone mentioned upthread, you can make pretty good money in the oil industry in the Dakotas, Alaska, the Gulf etc. But we're talking about hard and somewhat dangerous labor. But, the money can be very, very good and it's often the type of job where you work a few months, then get some months off.
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Don't do this. God no. Not gonna get past help desk with this and there is nothing I can imagine that is worse than a career doing helpdesk. Getting a trade is about a trillion times better. Make way more, less stress, more in demand, useful everywhere.
This is completely short term advice for someone that needs to make a living wage with no job history to speak of. In the future you should be looking at different types of schools or a trade.
Craigslist, monster, and Indeed should get you started for job postings, but putting in applications at everywhere you can will help if they ever have an unexpected opening.
They basically give you a computer skills/common sense style test and if you dominate it (particularly in typing speed and memory) you're generally golden. All the best dispatchers are usually males of the nerdy type that are used to multitasking and typing fast. I'd describe being a dispatcher as sort've like playing Starcraft or something, managing units and resources.
Starting pay was $18 an hour and I was at $29 an hour 5 years in. Just something to think about, I guess, but the hours are definitely not great all the time and there is plenty of stress.
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Is that typically done by county or state? I can't seem to find any schedules or prices, or any insight into what sorts of questions I can look forward to.
Could be different now, but don't think of it as a guarantee and I wouldn't spend that money unless you could afford to.
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What? Do you live in an expensive city by chance?
Bussers hardly make any money at all. Maybe it's just me, but every restaurant i've ever worked at had bussers making $10 an hour max.
You can make great money as a food server, but it takes a lot of work, gotta be quick on your feet and you need to really smooze your tables. Either that or be a woman, where it's ten times easier even if you're moderately attractive. If you're a real looker you'll be raking in a bill each night no problem.
I get tipped out by the servers. Some places do that, some don't. It would be hard to get full time hours and maintain that hourly though, since I would have to work some opening shifts where there are no customers. No customers = no tips.
So if you do try to bus some tables, find out if you get tips. If you don't go for serving tables.
but they're listening to every word I say
Not that the restaurant industry is any different than retail, but you do get paid much better and have a lot more freedom to express yourself. Most servers, bussers and cooks swear more than sailors when they come into the kitchen - as long as the customers dont hear it management usually doesnt care. Any idiot can make a living as a server in a popular restaurant, hell even 18 year old kids at our local Olive Garden make 100+ a night, primarily because they are constantly slammed with customers. Find a busy restaurant with decent looking wait staff and an easy menu and apply.
Aside from that, the best advice I got when I was unemployed was to start freelance writing online. Start out at a content mill like Demand Studios - they pay 15 bucks per 450 word article that takes 30 minutes to write - then move up to your own monetized blog - and ultimately writing for private clients. There is a lot of money to be made for the people who are willing to write for it. You don't need a degree, just decent command of the English language and eventually some decent experience.
Judging from your Weight Loss Challenge you have some good self-motivation skills already, so just apply what you are doing there to your financial situation and everything will work itself out.
In the longer term: I'm going to be that guy who tells you to get a Bachelor's degree. Even if you decide to learn a trade, a higher-education degree will open doors for you. People bitch about college, but the fact is that most people will find more opportunities available to them in the long run with a BA/BS, even if it's part time from a local satellite campus.
I'm not sure what it's like in America, but in Australia, if you are not a qualified electrician you can't get any kind of insurance and the insurance of who/wherever you are working becomes void.
I worked as a parking lot attendant for 1 summer and got $11.50 an hour. One friend of mine who had flunked out of college worked as a patient transporter (pushing people around on gurneys and wheelchairs) and got the same thing, and he was eventually able to go full time. Another friend worked at the same hospital as a janitor. Hospitals pay very well for unskilled labor. You would have to start out part time, but eventually a full time job will open up.
What I would suggest:
Make a list of every IT place in your area (or willing to drive to). Apply at all. Start at the bottom. Don't pretend to know things you don't, but show a willingness and eagerness to learn.
It'll probably take a year or two to work up; so don't know if that qualifies as shorterm or not.
He has some connections. And helping me get started with an apprenticeship in basically anything is totally doable.
But, he's worried (and I've thought of this too) that if I work as an electrician or a plumber or something, that I might not be working amongst the most progressively minded folk, and my being a trans girl may cause friction. Are there solutions or rebuttals?
Male to female or Female to male?
Seems like if you were female to male it would be easier, people probably wouldn't even ask. The other way is likely to have severe blowback though. And if you are an electrician or plumber you will probably have to work in strangers houses. They might not take too kindly to you either.
This makes me think that IT is a good route though. Very few dress and look expectations as far as I have seen. Showing up dressed opposite gender would seem less out of place with people in long hair and metal band t shirts. I mean, some places might have mandatory corporate dress, I know people that show up to their IT jobs in shorts and t shirts.
Anything where you have to deal with strangers will likely cause some friction. And unless you are totally ripped in the muscle department, I would avoid those things.
but they're listening to every word I say
If I was in a different life siltation, I'd get into some sort of technical medical trade.
I work at a mental hospital (for 4 months now) and love it, I make 14$/hr, great benefits, they help with schooling (working twards RN (RN is a GREAT career choice btw, good money, even better job market).
IT is not an easy job. emotionally or physically. But it may be an option for you.
Keep in mind that the "not very progressive" attitudes thing cuts both ways. Tradespeople who have those attitudes cut themselves off from potential customers. There are tradespeople who make their living entirely off working in, say, the "gay village" of major cities.
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Wal-Mart can be evil, however. I requested to go on full-time once I finished by initial 90 day evaluation. I got the 35+ hours a week, but it turns out I was not actually full-time. I was just part-time with full-time hours. It was a rather rude awakening when I moved out of my parent's house and, a week later, had a new scheduling system go in place that fixed the loophole I was in. Not to my benefit, of course.