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Document the Atrocities! The American Political Media

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  • AtomikaAtomika technology is your dickfist Registered User regular
    emp123 wrote:
    And yeah, CNN fucking sucks. I cant stand their stupid vote for what comes up next - a baby monkey sneezes, a lady with hiccups thats lasted 10 fucking years, or the revolutions occurring in like 5 fucking countries. Yeah, thanks CNN. Im so glad international relations are so important that they can be pushed out by a fucking monkey and some hiccups. We have YouTube too CNN, you dont need to scour it for year old clips for us.

    This is probably the most damning affront to journalism they've perpetrated in some while, and for them that's saying something.

    Whoever is running the ship over there certainly is betting hard that Twitter is going to save them.

  • DigitalDDigitalD Registered User
    CNN also has a huge audience inside DC. There's a reason that you see so many defense contractors like Lockheed Martin advertising on them, and it's not because there's a huge market for consumer fighter jets.

    That's because of CNNtel, aka forcing everybody in the DOD, CIA, NSA, DIA, to watch CNN for valuable intelligence, they never turn that shit off.

  • TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Hillsboro, ORRegistered User regular
    emp123 wrote:
    And yeah, CNN fucking sucks. I cant stand their stupid vote for what comes up next - a baby monkey sneezes, a lady with hiccups thats lasted 10 fucking years, or the revolutions occurring in like 5 fucking countries. Yeah, thanks CNN. Im so glad international relations are so important that they can be pushed out by a fucking monkey and some hiccups. We have YouTube too CNN, you dont need to scour it for year old clips for us.



    This is probably the most damning affront to journalism they've perpetrated in some while, and for them that's saying something.

    Whoever is running the ship over there certainly is betting hard that Twitter is going to save them.

    Hell, Don Lemon has even shown absolute disgust at his own company during some recent live newscast this past year. I actually feel sorry for him. The guy wants to actually perform his job as an actual news anchor and he has to deal with the silly geese bullshit going on at CNN.

  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist rugged, weathered Registered User regular
    Here's a fun one:
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    "Bachmann's HPV claims disputed."

    As if her claims are meritorious enough to be "disputed".
    "Claims disputed" might be an appropriate tag for candidates bickering over tax proposals – "Perry says cutting taxes would increase revenues, but Paul Krugman disagrees in today's column." Bachmann's statement, aside from being dangerously flippant and not thought-out, isn't "disputed." It's wrong. In an honest world the headline would read "Bachmann wrong about vaccines" or "Major GOP candidate does not understand basic science" or "Bachmann chooses anecdote from stranger over science."

    Let's try a few more shall we?

    "Bachmann's claims that 2+2=5 are disputed."
    "GOP, Dems differ on shape of Earth"
    "Bachmann's Claims About German Attack on Pearl Harbor Disputed."

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Dear Ruth Marcus and Alexandra Petri,

    Your two recent editorials illustrate what is absofuckinglutely wrong with the Village. The fact that you are more bothered by the fact that a young woman who has just entered the body politic had the temerity to use less than flattering language to describe an elected official who, frankly, doesn't deserve any respect, than by said official attempting to use the mechanisms of the state to publicly browbeat her into submission because she openly exercised her right to free speech clearly illustrates how out of touch you and your ilk are.

    In short, fuck the both of you and the high horses you rode in on.

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  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    Is this Village as in Greenwich Village, or the News Media Village?

    ISIS delenda est
  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Is this Village as in Greenwich Village, or the News Media Village?

    It's shorthand for the D.C. social circuit. It dates back to a particularly clueless article from Washington socialite Sally Quinn talking about how Washington was like a small village of friends and how the Clinton's had trashed the mood by not respecting local customs.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/quinn110298.htm

    The current implication of the term is that D.C. is basically America's Versailles.

  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    I should probably mention something about Syracuse's fine Post Standard and how they had some serious stuff on Bernie Fine like a decade ago but didn't do anything with it. Now their latest line is encouraging people to remember they are not the police.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Dear Ruth Marcus and Alexandra Petri,

    Your two recent editorials illustrate what is absofuckinglutely wrong with the Village. The fact that you are more bothered by the fact that a young woman who has just entered the body politic had the temerity to use less than flattering language to describe an elected official who, frankly, doesn't deserve any respect, than by said official attempting to use the mechanisms of the state to publicly browbeat her into submission because she openly exercised her right to free speech clearly illustrates how out of touch you and your ilk are.

    In short, fuck the both of you and the high horses you rode in on.

    I find this especially hilarious as CNN's reaction to Ann Coulter calling John McCain a douchebag (for once, accurate!) on MSNBC was... to immediately invite her on CNN to call him a douchebag. If you're in the Village, such language is totally fine.

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
    Warren 2020
  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    Has anyone caught Brian William's Rock Center show? I saw about 5 minutes of Ted Koppel in Iraq and I have to say I was quite surprised by its quality.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
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  • AtomikaAtomika technology is your dickfist Registered User regular

    I like Glenn Beck's assertion that anyone who votes for Gingrich is obviously racist, while all good conservatives would vote for ignorant bigot Michelle Bachmann.

    I've also always loved the way Glenn Beck froths at the mouth over "progressives" and uses the word as a pejorative.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Fox News tries to make a chart:

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    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
    Warren 2020
  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    ..........I sometimes wish our libel laws were stupider.

  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    The most egregious 'error' is obvious, but also note that the 9.2% mark is at the 9.5% row on the left side. And that initially, 9.0 drops significantly to 8.9 and then inches down to 8.8.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    EDIT: NM, bad reading :(

    shryke on
  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    Preeeeeeeeeetty sure that's "the most egregious 'error" that he's referring to, @shryke.

  • AtomikaAtomika technology is your dickfist Registered User regular
    It's interesting to see how "under Obama" is also somehow limited to the last 11 months. Unemployment has been on a steady climb since May of 2008, 10 months before he took office, more than a year before any meaningful legislation could be moved through.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Congratulations to PolitiFact, for showing that they are cowardly sacks of shit: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/lie-year-democrats-claims-republicans-voted-end-me/

    Please do us all a favor and return your Pulitzer. Because you sure as hell don't deserve it.

    Edit: Their asscovering is beyond pathetic : http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/how-we-chose-lie-year/

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Jesus fucking Christ

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    With a few small tweaks to their attack lines, Democrats could have been factually correct, said Norman Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. "I actually think there is no need to cut out the qualifiers and exaggerate," he said.

    At times, Democrats and liberal groups were careful to characterize the Republican plan more accurately. Another claim in the ad from the Agenda Project said the plan would "privatize" Medicare, which received a Mostly True rating from PolitiFact. President Barack Obama was also more precise with his words, saying the Medicare proposal "would voucherize the program and you potentially have senior citizens paying $6,000 more."

    But more often, Democrats and liberals overreached:

    • They ignored the fact that the Ryan plan would not affect people currently in Medicare -- or even the people 55 to 65 who would join the program in the next 10 years.

    • They used harsh terms such as "end" and "kill" when the program would still exist, although in a privatized system.

    • They used pictures and video of elderly people who clearly were too old to be affected by the Ryan plan. The DCCC video that aired four days after the vote featured an elderly man who had to take a job as a stripper to pay his medical bills.


    What the bleeding fuck?

    You have a scholar from a conservative think tank saying that the statement is mostly true, but exagerrated. How do you get from THERE, to PANTS ON FIRE LIES LIES LIES!!!!

    YOLO. Swag. Whatever. Fuck it. Lets do this.
  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    http://whois.domaintools.com/politifact.com

    Perhaps in June we can have everything we say be true.

    It will, of course, still be Politifact, just with some changes.

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    • They ignored the fact that the Ryan plan would not affect people currently in Medicare -- or even the people 55 to 65 who would join the program in the next 10 years.

    wait

    wait wait wait wait wait

    so it's a lie to say it's being killed if it only happens in the future instead of immediately?

    • They used harsh terms such as "end" and "kill" when the program would still exist, although in a privatized system.

    Well since Medicare is a public service/system THIS IS FUCKING ENDING IT

    • They used pictures and video of elderly people who clearly were too old to be affected by the Ryan plan. The DCCC video that aired four days after the vote featured an elderly man who had to take a job as a stripper to pay his medical bills.

    i dont even

    i need to go lay down

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Congratulations to PolitiFact, for showing that they are cowardly sacks of shit: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/lie-year-democrats-claims-republicans-voted-end-me/

    Please do us all a favor and return your Pulitzer. Because you sure as hell don't deserve it.

    Edit: Their asscovering is beyond pathetic : http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/how-we-chose-lie-year/

    Don't worry too much about Politifact. They're a production of the New York Times Syndicate down in St. Petersburg. If you follow the media news, that means that they'll be changing hands from the NYT to a low-rent, GOP-friendly Florida news chain:

    http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/times-said-to-sell-regional-newspapers/

    A real cynical observer might wonder if the people working for Politifact were simply making sure that they were in good with the new owners.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Politifact has always been stupid, y'all.

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
    Warren 2020
  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    Hm. I was just idly reading the first few pages of this thread where we were arguing about Politifact.

    Sad to see it's gone crazy.

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  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    How does it compare to factcheck.org? Im inclined to give factcheck more credence since they dont use the ridiculous pants on fire to blinding truth scale, but I honestly dont know.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    emp123 wrote:
    How does it compare to factcheck.org? Im inclined to give factcheck more credence since they dont use the ridiculous pants on fire to blinding truth scale, but I honestly dont know.

    Well they're run by a part of the University of Pennsylvania, so there's some points Politifact already misses (in that they're journalists, and therefore retarded).

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
    Warren 2020
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Congratulations to PolitiFact, for showing that they are cowardly sacks of shit: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/lie-year-democrats-claims-republicans-voted-end-me/

    Please do us all a favor and return your Pulitzer. Because you sure as hell don't deserve it.

    Edit: Their asscovering is beyond pathetic : http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/how-we-chose-lie-year/

    Don't worry too much about Politifact. They're a production of the New York Times Syndicate down in St. Petersburg. If you follow the media news, that means that they'll be changing hands from the NYT to a low-rent, GOP-friendly Florida news chain:

    http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/times-said-to-sell-regional-newspapers/

    A real cynical observer might wonder if the people working for Politifact were simply making sure that they were in good with the new owners.

    It's pretty clear they wanted to make a left-leaning comment the Lie Of The Year.

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  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    Dunno if it was on this thread but I was one of the people who defended politifact a while ago. Doubt I'll be doing that anymore...
    Politifact wrote:
    After we named the finalists two weeks ago, many liberal bloggers wrote that the Medicare claim should not be on our list because it was not wrong ("PolitiFact 2011 Lie of the Year finalist … is true," said a headline in Daily Kos). Some bloggers encouraged their readers to vote, which undoubtedly boosted balloting. A few people wrote in a vote for our own fact-check of the claim to be Lie of the Year.

    On the other side, Rep. Paul Ryan, the Wisconsin Republican who authored the Medicare plan, emailed his supporters and posted a video on YouTube urging people to vote for the Medicare claim as the Lie of the Year.

    So one the one hand, the "lie of the year" was not a lie at all, but on the other hand Paul Ryan put a video on youtube. So you can see our hands were tied.

    I like the idea of ninjaing the politifact domain. Then we can replace it with furry porn, but it'll still be politifact because we didn't change the name!

  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    I like the idea of ninjaing the politifact domain. Then we can replace it with furry porn, but it'll still be politifact because we didn't change the name!

    Politifact is probably dead anyway. The Times is selling their parent organization to the newspaper-chain equivalent of a dollar store, and they don't seem like the kind who would support an expensive national fact-checking team.

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Just for another brief Richard Engel fanboy moment...



    So apparently he decided that he hadn't put himself in QUITE enough danger yet this year, and hired smugglers to sneak him across the Syrian border, where he stayed for 3 days interviewing protesters.

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • lonelyahavalonelyahava Mortius is correct Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    as much as I adore Richard Engel and his awesomeness. He needs to stop doing things like that until after he's written a book! dammit!

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Politico's Roger Simon has been covering politics for like 30 years. Does not fucking understand how a poll works.

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
    Warren 2020
  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    As soon as Paul Ryan declared the campaign to have his supporters vote for the Medicare claim, that entire public vote should have been cancelled. They're trying to keep politicians honest, right? If the politicians themselves launch a campaign to hijack one of if not the highest-profile function of your site, and you just stand back and allow it to be hijacked, what the hell's the point of you anyway?

    I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    Politico's Roger Simon has been covering politics for like 30 years. Does not fucking understand how a poll works.

    It's not like you need a background in statistics the understand the concepts of a representative sample and margin of error, either. Just squinting at the words themselves for a few seconds should give you a higher level of understanding than Roger Simon has achieved.

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    Politifact has always been fucking dumb, but this is bad comedy. I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that editorial meeting.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Maybe they all got the HPV vaccine

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    I love the part where they defend their crap becasue Ryan added traditional medicare back into his plan like 2 weeks ago

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Gosling wrote:
    As soon as Paul Ryan declared the campaign to have his supporters vote for the Medicare claim, that entire public vote should have been cancelled. They're trying to keep politicians honest, right? If the politicians themselves launch a campaign to hijack one of if not the highest-profile function of your site, and you just stand back and allow it to be hijacked, what the hell's the point of you anyway?

    Wait, wait, wait, the decision for the "Lie of the Year" was left up to an internet vote?

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