In the case of what laws both of them broke and the way they did it, there was no heroism involved. I feel pretty safe in that belief. To me they are an example of needing better vetting in our military and a tighter lock on security, nothing more.
So you don't believe any of the released material was valuable for the public to have? Or is it that the damage suffered as a result of the release outweighs any potential positive?
I don't, and I do believe there was damage overall. Especially in the fact much like most of the shit Wikileaks puts out, it implies the US is alone in its spying, when that is far from the case. Like Brazil was all decrying us one minute and then admitting "yeah we do it too" the next.
I think in both cases, Manning and Snowden, they're highly damaged individuals who's actions managed to be both good and terrible at the same time. I personally think what they did was courageous and important, as the US's love affair with secrecy and covertness needs to go the way of the dodo. I mean jesus..they were tapping Merkel's phone (near as I can tell) just because they could.
And like it or not, Glenn Greenwald is the guy at the forefront of that kind of journalism, so I think he's important and needed, since the mainstream press is just beyond broken.
As much as I don't want to bring the NSA thread into this one. You realize that tapping the phone of a the head of a major economic power who has the ability to influence events on a world stage and who is at the center of some of the larger political events of our time is pretty much exactly who the NSA should be spying on, right?
A. You realize that tapping the phone of the leader or potential leader of a major US ally is pretty much exactly who the NSA shouldn't be spying on?
B. How would you feel about MI6 tapping Obama's phones?
A: that's pretty blatantly false
B: like they were doing their job
It's pretty blatantly the opposite of false.
It's a great way to make people who should be your allies pissed at you and more likely to side against you in things like trade disputes and economic sanctions. It's a way to risk losing overseas bases. It hurts your image abroad, not just among the leaders but on all levels of society.
But hey, 'Merica doesn't need no friends.
Everybody spies. As it's been said, nations do not have allies, they have interests. And as such, they spy to make sure that their alliances actually support their interests.
Last thing about this from me, but supposedly we really don't spy on the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And vice versa, thus being the exceptions that prove the rule.
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Question.
I just saw on MSNBC that apparently Governor Christie hasn't actually given out like three quarters of the federal money he got for repairing the damage from Hurricane Sandy; anyone know if that's true or just spin on the part of MSNBC?
A quick google search didn't pull up anything on it. But I have no idea there is a committee going on right now about the funds themselves, that could be a finding about it.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
As I understand it the closest English translation of ronin is something along the lines of "knight errant," with rather derogatory overtones.
That isn't right. A Knight Errant was out to prove his mettle and chivalry. A ronin is a warrior whose master has died as a result of the warrior failing to protect them
As I understand it the closest English translation of ronin is something along the lines of "knight errant," with rather derogatory overtones.
That isn't right. A Knight Errant was out to prove his mettle and chivalry. A ronin is a warrior whose master has died as a result of the warrior failing to protect them
And neither applies to Allen West. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a classic European or classic Japanese word for "insufferable shithead."
In the case of what laws both of them broke and the way they did it, there was no heroism involved. I feel pretty safe in that belief. To me they are an example of needing better vetting in our military and a tighter lock on security, nothing more.
So you don't believe any of the released material was valuable for the public to have? Or is it that the damage suffered as a result of the release outweighs any potential positive?
I don't, and I do believe there was damage overall. Especially in the fact much like most of the shit Wikileaks puts out, it implies the US is alone in its spying, when that is far from the case. Like Brazil was all decrying us one minute and then admitting "yeah we do it too" the next.
I think in both cases, Manning and Snowden, they're highly damaged individuals who's actions managed to be both good and terrible at the same time. I personally think what they did was courageous and important, as the US's love affair with secrecy and covertness needs to go the way of the dodo. I mean jesus..they were tapping Merkel's phone (near as I can tell) just because they could.
And like it or not, Glenn Greenwald is the guy at the forefront of that kind of journalism, so I think he's important and needed, since the mainstream press is just beyond broken.
As much as I don't want to bring the NSA thread into this one. You realize that tapping the phone of a the head of a major economic power who has the ability to influence events on a world stage and who is at the center of some of the larger political events of our time is pretty much exactly who the NSA should be spying on, right?
A. You realize that tapping the phone of the leader or potential leader of a major US ally is pretty much exactly who the NSA shouldn't be spying on?
B. How would you feel about MI6 tapping Obama's phones?
A: that's pretty blatantly false
B: like they were doing their job
It's pretty blatantly the opposite of false.
It's a great way to make people who should be your allies pissed at you and more likely to side against you in things like trade disputes and economic sanctions. It's a way to risk losing overseas bases. It hurts your image abroad, not just among the leaders but on all levels of society.
But hey, 'Merica doesn't need no friends.
Everybody spies. As it's been said, nations do not have allies, they have interests. And as such, they spy to make sure that their alliances actually support their interests.
Last thing about this from me, but supposedly we really don't spy on the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And vice versa, thus being the exceptions that prove the rule.
Somehow i fail to believe that.
Spy less, sure, but i find it very doubtful there is no spying going on.
In the case of what laws both of them broke and the way they did it, there was no heroism involved. I feel pretty safe in that belief. To me they are an example of needing better vetting in our military and a tighter lock on security, nothing more.
So you don't believe any of the released material was valuable for the public to have? Or is it that the damage suffered as a result of the release outweighs any potential positive?
I don't, and I do believe there was damage overall. Especially in the fact much like most of the shit Wikileaks puts out, it implies the US is alone in its spying, when that is far from the case. Like Brazil was all decrying us one minute and then admitting "yeah we do it too" the next.
I think in both cases, Manning and Snowden, they're highly damaged individuals who's actions managed to be both good and terrible at the same time. I personally think what they did was courageous and important, as the US's love affair with secrecy and covertness needs to go the way of the dodo. I mean jesus..they were tapping Merkel's phone (near as I can tell) just because they could.
And like it or not, Glenn Greenwald is the guy at the forefront of that kind of journalism, so I think he's important and needed, since the mainstream press is just beyond broken.
As much as I don't want to bring the NSA thread into this one. You realize that tapping the phone of a the head of a major economic power who has the ability to influence events on a world stage and who is at the center of some of the larger political events of our time is pretty much exactly who the NSA should be spying on, right?
A. You realize that tapping the phone of the leader or potential leader of a major US ally is pretty much exactly who the NSA shouldn't be spying on?
B. How would you feel about MI6 tapping Obama's phones?
A: that's pretty blatantly false
B: like they were doing their job
It's pretty blatantly the opposite of false.
It's a great way to make people who should be your allies pissed at you and more likely to side against you in things like trade disputes and economic sanctions. It's a way to risk losing overseas bases. It hurts your image abroad, not just among the leaders but on all levels of society.
But hey, 'Merica doesn't need no friends.
Everybody spies. As it's been said, nations do not have allies, they have interests. And as such, they spy to make sure that their alliances actually support their interests.
Last thing about this from me, but supposedly we really don't spy on the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And vice versa, thus being the exceptions that prove the rule.
In theory, the Five Eyes don't spy on each other.
In practice...
My guess is the Five Eyes spy on each other's citizens and then share the data with each other. This allows them to get around the laws against spying on one's citizens and claim that they don't spy on their own citizens. Seems to be the realpolitik of the situation. As for spying on the governments, I'd be surprised if there isn't some of that going on too.
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So, if I'm understanding this right, Richard Cohen writes an article about how the GOP isn't racist ... and can't even make it to the end of a paragraph without being incredibly fucking racist?
So, if I'm understanding this right, Richard Cohen writes an article about how the GOP isn't racist ... and can't even make it to the end of a paragraph without being incredibly fucking racist?
Are we sure this guy isn't the next Colbert?
He'd be the next Colbert if Colbert was playing his role seriously. * shudder *
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Anyone with a brain can see Colbert is making satire. (Which makes it all the more scary that he keeps finding public officials that don't get the satire I mean what the fuck)
As I understand it the closest English translation of ronin is something along the lines of "knight errant," with rather derogatory overtones.
That isn't right. A Knight Errant was out to prove his mettle and chivalry. A ronin is a warrior whose master has died as a result of the warrior failing to protect them
And neither applies to Allen West. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a classic European or classic Japanese word for "insufferable shithead."
Rather hilariously, if you read the definition and entymology on wikipedia: Rōnin were known to operate, or serve as hired muscle for gangs that ran gambling rings, brothels, protection rackets, and other similar activities. Many were petty thieves and muggers. The criminal segment gave the rōnin of the Edo period a persistent reputation of disgrace, with the image of thugs, bullies, cutthroats, and wandering vagrants.
It fits Mr. West sort of well....
Anyway, the word is obviously complicated and nuanced, but clearly West has watched to many movies and thinks it means all around bad ass who doesn't take orders from anyone.
I think that a healthy loathing of Richard Cohen is something that most self-aware conservatives and liberals can strongly agree on. He's a walking incarnation of everything that's wrong with beltway punditry.
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Ronin, as I've always understood it, meant a disgraced warrior.
And of course a disgraced warrior in Japan back in those days generally meant someone who
1.) Let their master die and then didn't commit seppuku.
2.) Somehow dishonored himself/his master or his family and he didn't commit seppuku.
3.) Fled from battle and people knew or his honor didn't actually let call himself anything else.
Of course most Ronin became bandits and such and I wouldn't be surprised if the word got used for everything from actual former samurai who didn't kill themselves for honor too people who just shanked guys for money on the roads.
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In theory, the Five Eyes don't spy on each other.
In practice...
Jay Leno continues his unprecedented journalism by inviting another hated fake texan on his program.
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I just saw on MSNBC that apparently Governor Christie hasn't actually given out like three quarters of the federal money he got for repairing the damage from Hurricane Sandy; anyone know if that's true or just spin on the part of MSNBC?
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Yeah.
Frankly if the U.S. Government was run by people in this forum it'd run a whole hell of a lot smoother.
As an aside; ElJeffe would be a badass Speaker of the House.
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i'm not sure i want to know what role Geth would play in that scenario.
Sergeant-At-Arms, of course.
You don't want to know what the mace looks like.
Also "Human Resources" which would be in charge of taking less useful humans and turning them into resources.
Come Overwatch with meeeee
so the forum is taking a massive swing to the right when we take power then. :P
An "American Ronin?" Hey Allen, Ronin doesn't mean rebel....I think someone might have played a mean ass joke on you.
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Isn't it obvious?
That isn't right. A Knight Errant was out to prove his mettle and chivalry. A ronin is a warrior whose master has died as a result of the warrior failing to protect them
And neither applies to Allen West. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a classic European or classic Japanese word for "insufferable shithead."
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Somehow i fail to believe that.
Spy less, sure, but i find it very doubtful there is no spying going on.
My guess is the Five Eyes spy on each other's citizens and then share the data with each other. This allows them to get around the laws against spying on one's citizens and claim that they don't spy on their own citizens. Seems to be the realpolitik of the situation. As for spying on the governments, I'd be surprised if there isn't some of that going on too.
That's a "Cheney" in the common tongue.
This one is pretty personal for him, especially considering the research he's done. So it's no wonder that he's basically at thinly veiled contempt.
Those Tea Party assholes scream about American Freedom and such and such.
But I bet back in the American Revolution most of them would be on George # 3's side.
Lowering the BOOOOOM! I swear the longer the post keeps Cohen the more it looks like they are complete assholes.
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Are we sure this guy isn't the next Colbert?
He'd be the next Colbert if Colbert was playing his role seriously. * shudder *
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This asshole actually believes it.
We've known it's horrible. It's just that we now know that the only option left is an orbital strike.
Among others, like Rubin.
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There are some institutions that can truly benefit from a "benevolent dictator" form of business. Newspapers are one of them. Steam/Valve is another.
There's damning with faint praise, and then there's what you just did.
Rather hilariously, if you read the definition and entymology on wikipedia: Rōnin were known to operate, or serve as hired muscle for gangs that ran gambling rings, brothels, protection rackets, and other similar activities. Many were petty thieves and muggers. The criminal segment gave the rōnin of the Edo period a persistent reputation of disgrace, with the image of thugs, bullies, cutthroats, and wandering vagrants.
It fits Mr. West sort of well....
Anyway, the word is obviously complicated and nuanced, but clearly West has watched to many movies and thinks it means all around bad ass who doesn't take orders from anyone.
And of course a disgraced warrior in Japan back in those days generally meant someone who
1.) Let their master die and then didn't commit seppuku.
2.) Somehow dishonored himself/his master or his family and he didn't commit seppuku.
3.) Fled from battle and people knew or his honor didn't actually let call himself anything else.
Of course most Ronin became bandits and such and I wouldn't be surprised if the word got used for everything from actual former samurai who didn't kill themselves for honor too people who just shanked guys for money on the roads.