[PATV] Kris and Scott's Scott and Kris Show

Thetheroo

This was a really good idea. Also, they are apparently trying to get funding together to make an entire series.

BahamutZERO

I wish to subscribe to their newsletter

Thetheroo

I want Kris talking about his father to become a running joke.

Druhim

I like what Kris and Scott do, but the whole idea of Kickstarter really bugs me.

Klash

I am so glad a thread was made for this, because I am so glad that this is a thing that exists.

I haven't laughed this hard since the Blamination finale. I don't know what it is about the Scott/Kris super-friendship, but it makes me laugh like nothing else.

I think I need to watch this again.

FirmSkater

This needs to happen.

The Geek

Druhim wrote: »

I like what Kris and Scott do, but the whole idea of Kickstarter really bugs me.

Why?

Druhim

I don't like the whole model of "throw money at us and you get paid back in the satisfaction of seeing us complete our project!" This isn't an investment as you'll never get paid back. I find that incredibly tacky. Hey internet, give me money so I can do this thing I want to do! I realize it works. I realize people are entitled to throw money at projects via Kickstarter. I'm just expressing how I feel about it.

Charles Kinbote

Druhim wrote: »

I don't like the whole model of "throw money at us and you get paid back in the satisfaction of seeing us complete our project!" This isn't an investment as you'll never get paid back. I find that incredibly tacky. Hey internet, give me money so I can do this thing I want to do! I realize it works. I realize people are entitled to throw money at projects via Kickstarter. I'm just expressing how I feel about it.

what? but you also get paid back in terms of tangible benefits

also it isn't marketed as being an "investment," it's just a means for people to support one another in their creative endeavors

I don't really understand

anyway this is great and kickstarter is great and I really like this and I hope it wildly succeeds

ninesecondsleft

People like me 'invest' if they receive toys, dvds, random stuff. Kickstarter lets you hookup with some sweet prizes.

However, for this project. I would have helped fund even without that! I'm excited .

Bucketman

I was just going to make this thread. Someone give me 10000 so I can have dinner with Scott and Kris

Charles Kinbote

I will say, though, that the whole "get dinner/date with the creators" thing is pretty common on kickstarter, and kinda weirds me out

by all means, good on Kris and Scott for offering it, but I've always wondered who that appeals to

edit: heh! timing.

Hamju

I love these guys and would love to see more of these. The episode of PATV that they did was fantastic. ("It's called padding. And it's illegal.")

Tossrock

I laughed

morbid oneupmanship and acupuncture boner are pretty funny

Mysst

I can't lie, if I had a choice between this and PATV, I'd have to go with this

Framling

Druhim wrote: »

I don't like the whole model of "throw money at us and you get paid back in the satisfaction of seeing us complete our project!" This isn't an investment as you'll never get paid back. I find that incredibly tacky. Hey internet, give me money so I can do this thing I want to do! I realize it works. I realize people are entitled to throw money at projects via Kickstarter. I'm just expressing how I feel about it.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone pitch anything on there as an investment, nor have I seen many instances of getting paid back in satisfaction.

What I have seen is something like "Pledge <reasonable amount to pay for a DVD> and we'll send you a DVD of the thing." Which is what we're looking at here. I can pledge roughly what a DVD of this series would be worth to me, and I get a DVD at the end of it. If they don't raise enough, then hey, no skin off my ass and no money out of my pocket.

Sure, you'll sometimes see a "Let's raise enough money to buy back the rights to Firefly" or something, but that's not Kickstarter's fault. That's just stupid people being stupid.

Pedantophile

Druhim wrote: »

I don't like the whole model of "throw money at us and you get paid back in the satisfaction of seeing us complete our project!" This isn't an investment as you'll never get paid back. I find that incredibly tacky. Hey internet, give me money so I can do this thing I want to do! I realize it works. I realize people are entitled to throw money at projects via Kickstarter. I'm just expressing how I feel about it.

Not much different than public radio in a lot of respects. I know people get annoyed by pledge-drives, but I don't think it's particularly tacky.

I guess I could understand this more if they were some unknown quantity.

Quoth

Druhim wrote: »

I don't like the whole model of "throw money at us and you get paid back in the satisfaction of seeing us complete our project!" This isn't an investment as you'll never get paid back. I find that incredibly tacky. Hey internet, give me money so I can do this thing I want to do! I realize it works. I realize people are entitled to throw money at projects via Kickstarter. I'm just expressing how I feel about it.

it reminds me of the kids who beg for money on street corners for their football teams or whatever

except in this case, at least you get to see something cool at the end

you're never gonna see those kids play football

Druhim

First of all, I never claimed that Kickstarter pitches it as an investment.

To clarify a little more, this resonates with something I read recently on "gamer culture". It coalesced thoughts I'd had before about how it tends to be very obsessive about what it loves (what entertains if you will) and not caring nearly as much about what falls outside those narrow interests. Of course, I'm speaking about a trend. I don't doubt that there are gamers that are involved in society in other ways, but there is in my opinion a trend to become obsessively devoted to something one finds entertaining and justifying investing time and/or money into keeping a beloved cartoon on the air.

Public radio (in my opinion of course) provides a much broader and more meaningful service to the public than a comedy web series. This isn't a slam on how funny Scott and Kris are, I love the dudes. I just find it interesting how gamer culture will rally around something relatively trivial like this.

That's the last I'll say on it so feel free to spin what I've said to make it easier to attack it.

Charles Kinbote

but Kickstarter isn't just a gamer thing

And while I agree that gamer culture tends to get weird and obsessive about arbitrary things, I don't really understand how that's a criticism of Kickstarter.

Sure, there may be things that we consider to be more important than some things on the site, but that isn't really Kickstarter's problem, and if you don't want to put money toward it, you don't have to.

I guess I don't understand where your issue with the company itself comes in? It provides an outlet for people looking to have their project funded by others, I don't really see how someone could construe that negatively.

Viscount Islands

Didn't Scott blow up at someone for doing that exactly?

Viscount Islands

Like I'm fairly sure Scott had this whole thing about indie game developers begging for charity or am I remembering wrong

Charles Kinbote

wow 3 people have already given $1,000-2,499

gosh

The Geek

Druhim wrote: »

First of all, I never claimed that Kickstarter pitches it as an investment.

To clarify a little more, this resonates with something I read recently on "gamer culture". It coalesced thoughts I'd had before about how it tends to be very obsessive about what it loves (what entertains if you will) and not caring nearly as much about what falls outside those narrow interests. Of course, I'm speaking about a trend. I don't doubt that there are gamers that are involved in society in other ways, but there is in my opinion a trend to become obsessively devoted to something one finds entertaining and justifying investing time and/or money into keeping a beloved cartoon on the air.

Public radio (in my opinion of course) provides a much broader and more meaningful service to the public than a comedy web series. This isn't a slam on how funny Scott and Kris are, I love the dudes. I just find it interesting how gamer culture will rally around something relatively trivial like this.

That's the last I'll say on it so feel free to spin what I've said to make it easier to attack it.

If you think public radio provides a much more meaningful service, then you are welcome to give them money instead of a comedy web series.

But what if someone doesn't listen to public radio but enjoys a comedy web series? Why shouldn't they be allowed to choose where they put their own money?

My interpretation of what you're saying is that you don't think people should be spending money on what you don't believe to be a worthwhile use of money. But how would you react if someone told you that buying games isn't providing enough of a public service and that you should be spending your money on something else? Wouldn't it bother you that some one else is telling you how they think you should be spending your own money?

Langly

Man

I really hate the Reebok ad that sometimes runs before videos. I don't know why, it just really annoys me.

Viscount Islands

Charles Kinbote wrote: »

wow 3 people have already given $1,000-2,499

gosh

Mike, Jerry and Khoo?

Rankenphile

yeah, dru, not to be all "your opinion is wrong", but in this case your opinion is entirely wrong

Ten

Kris has also pledged to his own project (since I guess it's officially Vantage Point running the Kickstarter project) so he might also be one of the big pledgers.

I'd love to throw more money at this and get some of those extra goodies but my $50 will have to do. Also I think Kickstarter is pretty awesome, the end.

Franko

i think kris is the funniest something or other I have seen on the internet

Pedantophile

The Geek wrote: »

Druhim wrote: »

First of all, I never claimed that Kickstarter pitches it as an investment.

To clarify a little more, this resonates with something I read recently on "gamer culture". It coalesced thoughts I'd had before about how it tends to be very obsessive about what it loves (what entertains if you will) and not caring nearly as much about what falls outside those narrow interests. Of course, I'm speaking about a trend. I don't doubt that there are gamers that are involved in society in other ways, but there is in my opinion a trend to become obsessively devoted to something one finds entertaining and justifying investing time and/or money into keeping a beloved cartoon on the air.

Public radio (in my opinion of course) provides a much broader and more meaningful service to the public than a comedy web series. This isn't a slam on how funny Scott and Kris are, I love the dudes. I just find it interesting how gamer culture will rally around something relatively trivial like this.

That's the last I'll say on it so feel free to spin what I've said to make it easier to attack it.

If you think public radio provides a much more meaningful service, then you are welcome to give them money instead of a comedy web series.

But what if someone doesn't listen to public radio but enjoys a comedy web series? Why shouldn't they be allowed to choose where they put their own money?

My interpretation of what you're saying is that you don't think people should be spending money on what you don't believe to be a worthwhile use of money. But how would you react if someone told you that buying games isn't providing enough of a public service and that you should be spending your money on something else? Wouldn't it bother you that some one else is telling you how they think you should be spending your own money?

Or you could be awesome and give to both.

For the record, I don't value my public radio station the same as I value this. I was just using their model as a comparison.

Langly

Everyone give money to public radio dang.

Charles Kinbote

I will give money to public radio when I start listening to public radio

so probably a couple years from now

Charles Kinbote

IIIII didn't know kris did chainsawsuit

like, I hadn't put that together

I only knew that he did starslip and that I had never read starslip

feelin' dumb

Tonkka

He has also started F-Chords again.

Donovan Puppyfucker

Druhim wrote: »

First of all, I never claimed that Kickstarter pitches it as an investment.

To clarify a little more, this resonates with something I read recently on "gamer culture". It coalesced thoughts I'd had before about how it tends to be very obsessive about what it loves (what entertains if you will) and not caring nearly as much about what falls outside those narrow interests. Of course, I'm speaking about a trend. I don't doubt that there are gamers that are involved in society in other ways, but there is in my opinion a trend to become obsessively devoted to something one finds entertaining and justifying investing time and/or money into keeping a beloved cartoon on the air.

Public radio (in my opinion of course) provides a much broader and more meaningful service to the public than a comedy web series. This isn't a slam on how funny Scott and Kris are, I love the dudes. I just find it interesting how gamer culture will rally around something relatively trivial like this.

That's the last I'll say on it so feel free to spin what I've said to make it easier to attack it.

'Gamer culture' is not the only culture to behave like that, though. Ever been to a railway modellers convention? Now there's an obsession that causes tunnel vision...

Svidrigailov

Franko wrote: »

i think kris is the funniest something or other I have seen on the internet

I don't think I've ever not been amused by something he was in.

Which reminds me, I need to start listening to that Malki/Straub podcast.

FirmSkater

Yeah i mean some people are incredibly obsessed about crochet.

And there are people who are also all about scrap booking.

And then, theres boggle.

rhylith

Gettin in on this!

Hopefully I get home before all the arts are gone.

The_Reflection

I threw on my 25 bucks. That's probably about the same price the DVD would be, so it's just like a pre-preorder.

A duck!

Ignoring Dru being objectively wrong in this thread for a moment, the line about dogs cracked me up.

DekuStick

The fireball was too funny.