Interesting that the two best Marvel films are the ones with the least amount of shared universe stuff
I'd actually say that the best Marvel films are the films that focus on defining and developing the characters. Iron Man and Captain America both do a fantastic job of showing who the heroes are, and how they came to be that way. Iron Man 2 and Thor suffered from the shared universe stuff, but mainly because the SHIELD plotlines crowded out the heroes' own stories. Action is definitely necessary in a super hero movie, but the ones that achieve a good balance between character development and plot/fight scenes are consistently the best.
Of course, I loved The Incredible Hulk, so my opinion could be entirely off base
He isn't in it but Red Skull says the Cosmic Cube, the Tesseract in the movieverse, was "The crown jewel of Odin's throne(or treasure) room". And at the end Red Skull gets teleported away using the same effects and style as the Bifrost Bridge in Thor.
Howard Stark, vibranium, Odin and the cosmic cube, and of course the whole end segment.
Yeah, I'd say that Cap showed how a shared universe should be dealt with. Those all augmented or enabled the existing plotline, rather than existing for the sake of tying in (mostly).
Howard Stark was a reference to the shared universe, but was a pretty natural fit for the "WWII tech guy" role.
Vibranium is straight up necessary to explain the shield.
The Odin reference with the Cosmic Cube was straight up universe building, but worked in establishing what the cosmic cube is. There probably needed to be some explanation for what it was, why not link it to Norse Mythology? It also meshes pretty smoothly with the whole Nazi occultism/Thule Society thing that's always been pretty common in comics.
The only shared elements that seemed out of place were the researchers at the beginning of the movie and the whole SHIELD sequence at the end. Honestly, I could have done without that ending entirely, but I understand the need to end on a vaguely upbeat note.
Like I said (or implied, I guess), I don't think the shared universe is an inherently bad thing, and can actually add a lot to the enjoyment factor of a movie. It shouldn't be shoehorned in at the cost of plot/characterization, though, even if it does set up the eventual Avengers movie.
Paul Dini then joined Loeb on stage. Asked whether there's anything he'd like to work on, Dini said, "I've always loved the Hulk." A slide showed "Hulk: Agents of SMASH," with multi-colored Hulks, as Loeb and Dini bantered about how he'd "come up with this idea just right now." The series is in development for Disney XD.
Paul Dini then joined Loeb on stage. Asked whether there's anything he'd like to work on, Dini said, "I've always loved the Hulk." A slide showed "Hulk: Agents of SMASH," with multi-colored Hulks, as Loeb and Dini bantered about how he'd "come up with this idea just right now." The series is in development for Disney XD.
So they just came up with it, and it's already in production? Interesting. I hope Disney does that with a lot of Marvel ideas.
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Just after the movie ended, executive producer Bruce Timm announced the lineup of upcoming animated titles. Next up will be the previously announced Justice League: Doom, followed by an adaptation of the one-shot Superman story Superman vs. The Elite. After that, the studio will return to the work of Frank Miller with its first ever two-part movie based on Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. "It's going to be very, very faithful to the comic," Timm reassured the audience.
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Oh, some other stuff too.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Ok, copying Action Comics #775 to a film would be brilliant, just please keep it's title "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, And the American Way?"
It's such a great title, much more than "Superman vs. The Elite." If people get uppity about American Way being in the title it's their own fault.
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You have to go out of your way to screw up that story, it's one of the best done in one issues ever. The only thing they might need to change is the Men in Black reference.
I thought it'd be hard to screw up Death of Superman too, but they somehow managed it.
Still, this one should be easier. As long as you have Superman being one-upped by a group of crass anti-heroes, being called into confrontation with them, and handily defeating them while proving that some classics never go out of style, I think it'll be fine. And with the exception of Death of Superman, all the DC animated movies have been fantastic. I even liked the Green Lantern one, which a lot of people panned.
Wait, is this the story where Apuaman took control of the fish parts of the brains of aliens that may not have evolved from fish, let alone earth fish?
Wait, is this the story where Apuaman took control of the fish parts of the brains of aliens that may not have evolved from fish, let alone earth fish?
He didn't take control of them, he gave them seizures. The point was that he couldn't mind control them like he could fish, but he could at least mess them up a bit.
I am pretty unhappy with the idea of a two-parter based on DKR.
And I really like DKR. But it feels like Warners has pretty much come down hard on them, and they're completely limited to doing only JL, Batman and Superman adaptations for the time being, with the most focus on the Batman DTVs that always sell tons more than any of the others.
Damnit, man. I have loved the DC DTVs since they first hit, and have collected them and forced my friends to sit through them compulsively. I am actually starting to lose interest with this announcement, and that comes as my interest was already "wayne"-ing (lolz) with an adaptation of Year One, a story that A. I don't really care much about and B. has been partially adapted many, many times in both live action and animation before.
Wait, is this the story where Apuaman took control of the fish parts of the brains of aliens that may not have evolved from fish, let alone earth fish?
He didn't take control of them, he gave them seizures. The point was that he couldn't mind control them like he could fish, but he could at least mess them up a bit.
Yeah, it's just something that irritated me because the two structures have diverged considerably since the fish/terrestrial split, there is no reason to assume Martian fish are the same as human fish, and there is no guarantee that mars ever had fish.
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It's not just fish, it's any marine animal. If it ever had an ancestry in the sea, he has some control over it.
Noice! I didn't know they had the Punisher back too.
Speaking of such things, I have no idea when the rights to Spider-man would have been or will be up for Sony, but do you think that may be why we have a reboot so soon?
Basically, it all boils down to Marvel being hard up on cash and basically going "So if we give you the exclusive movie rights to our characters, which will revert back to us when you stop making them, you'll give us $texas? FUCK YEAH."
Basically, the rights will never revert back to Marvel naturally, because Sony/Fox know that the properties are worth a lot to Marvel now thanks to the Marvel's own movie studio and the shared universe. They're basically going to always have sequels, prequels, reboots or whatever in some stage of production (which isn't that expensive to do. They basically just need to have someone be writing a script as far as I know.) This is why Fantastic Four and Daredevil have new movies in very early production, and probably why someone thought it was a good idea to greenlight Ghost Rider 2.
So now, the only way for Marvel to get the rights back is to either way for the companies to collapse, or buy them back. And as I said before, Sony/Fox know how valuable these things are to Marvel, and thus will likely overcharge Marvel to get the rights back.. which is not a good thing when Marvel is now owned by the very frugal Disney.
They bought the rights to Punisher and Blade, IIRC, because they were relatively cheap. Plus I don't think Lionsgate had any plans to do a new Punisher movie. (There's a blade anime out, but that's animation and likely doesn't count.)
I'm on sleep medication at the moment, so I may just be getting confused or something, but i think that's generally the gist of it.
Spider-Man got a reboot likely because some higher up at sony went "So we don't have the original director, main actor or main actress.. Fuck it, just start it over again for a new franchise of a zillion movies."
See, I thought the Fox/Sony contracts specifically say they have a set amount of time to actually release a movie, and if they don't, they lose the rights. Which is why X-Men First Class was fast-tracked.
See, I thought the Fox/Sony contracts specifically say they have a set amount of time to actually release a movie, and if they don't, they lose the rights. Which is why X-Men First Class was fast-tracked.
I don't think that was why First Class was fast-tracked. First Class was in development for a long time (it evolved out of Magneto Origins and announced around the same time as Wolverine Origins). What is going to happen is they are going to run the franchise into the ground, start losing money on it then give up the rights. It may be 10-20 years from now, but eventually Marvel will get at least most of those rights back. Then they will have to sit on them for a decade before they can be useable.
That could be the case, though I always heard it being they just need to have a movie in production. Like I said, I'm a little fuzzy and not a expert on this stuff to begin with.
It's all written down in lengthy contracts that we aren't privy to, so it is just guesswork. I am fairly certain that for Ghost Rider they actually had to start filming by the end of 2010 (they started in November). I think there was also something about keeping Cage tied up so he could not do something else for Marvel, but I can't remember what now.
(Oh, I think First Class was fasttracked because all the pieces fell into place and they wanted it out at a certain time, forgetting that there were three other comic films slated for the same timeframe. But that is just my guess)
Well I enjoyed the first half of Captain America. Apparently a tornado passed through during the movie and knocked power out in the area almost half way through the movie. After it passed power never came back and we had to leave.
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I'd actually say that the best Marvel films are the films that focus on defining and developing the characters. Iron Man and Captain America both do a fantastic job of showing who the heroes are, and how they came to be that way. Iron Man 2 and Thor suffered from the shared universe stuff, but mainly because the SHIELD plotlines crowded out the heroes' own stories. Action is definitely necessary in a super hero movie, but the ones that achieve a good balance between character development and plot/fight scenes are consistently the best.
Of course, I loved The Incredible Hulk, so my opinion could be entirely off base
And Cap had quite a bit of tie-in to be honest.
Yeah, I'd say that Cap showed how a shared universe should be dealt with. Those all augmented or enabled the existing plotline, rather than existing for the sake of tying in (mostly).
Vibranium is straight up necessary to explain the shield.
The Odin reference with the Cosmic Cube was straight up universe building, but worked in establishing what the cosmic cube is. There probably needed to be some explanation for what it was, why not link it to Norse Mythology? It also meshes pretty smoothly with the whole Nazi occultism/Thule Society thing that's always been pretty common in comics.
The only shared elements that seemed out of place were the researchers at the beginning of the movie and the whole SHIELD sequence at the end. Honestly, I could have done without that ending entirely, but I understand the need to end on a vaguely upbeat note.
Like I said (or implied, I guess), I don't think the shared universe is an inherently bad thing, and can actually add a lot to the enjoyment factor of a movie. It shouldn't be shoehorned in at the cost of plot/characterization, though, even if it does set up the eventual Avengers movie.
http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/the-walking-dead-season-2-trailer-from-comic-con
In some ways, I'm more excited for this than the Avengers movie.
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Good: A Sixth Gun television series is being developed.
Bad: It's with SyFy.
So ... *shrugs*
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/05/robot-sixth-gun-read-the-first-issue-of-onis-the-sixth-gun-right-here/
Read that right now.
Trades are $13 each on DCBS and the second is even better than the first.
Really liking the updated Captain America costume.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_nHhlBFs2k
Not sure if it's just me but those don't seem to load, but all of the Avengers movie posters up on CA now too
Also they should absolutely have the makeup and costume Oscar forever for the red skull. He looked astoundingly perfect.
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I just said both of these things to a friend after seeing the movie. I think we would get along.
So they just came up with it, and it's already in production? Interesting. I hope Disney does that with a lot of Marvel ideas.
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Or had just read one of those Chris G multi-colour hulk back ups
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Oh, some other stuff too.
It's such a great title, much more than "Superman vs. The Elite." If people get uppity about American Way being in the title it's their own fault.
Hope I'm right!
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Still, this one should be easier. As long as you have Superman being one-upped by a group of crass anti-heroes, being called into confrontation with them, and handily defeating them while proving that some classics never go out of style, I think it'll be fine. And with the exception of Death of Superman, all the DC animated movies have been fantastic. I even liked the Green Lantern one, which a lot of people panned.
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He didn't take control of them, he gave them seizures. The point was that he couldn't mind control them like he could fish, but he could at least mess them up a bit.
And I really like DKR. But it feels like Warners has pretty much come down hard on them, and they're completely limited to doing only JL, Batman and Superman adaptations for the time being, with the most focus on the Batman DTVs that always sell tons more than any of the others.
Damnit, man. I have loved the DC DTVs since they first hit, and have collected them and forced my friends to sit through them compulsively. I am actually starting to lose interest with this announcement, and that comes as my interest was already "wayne"-ing (lolz) with an adaptation of Year One, a story that A. I don't really care much about and B. has been partially adapted many, many times in both live action and animation before.
Yeah, it's just something that irritated me because the two structures have diverged considerably since the fish/terrestrial split, there is no reason to assume Martian fish are the same as human fish, and there is no guarantee that mars ever had fish.
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Speaking of such things, I have no idea when the rights to Spider-man would have been or will be up for Sony, but do you think that may be why we have a reboot so soon?
Basically, the rights will never revert back to Marvel naturally, because Sony/Fox know that the properties are worth a lot to Marvel now thanks to the Marvel's own movie studio and the shared universe. They're basically going to always have sequels, prequels, reboots or whatever in some stage of production (which isn't that expensive to do. They basically just need to have someone be writing a script as far as I know.) This is why Fantastic Four and Daredevil have new movies in very early production, and probably why someone thought it was a good idea to greenlight Ghost Rider 2.
So now, the only way for Marvel to get the rights back is to either way for the companies to collapse, or buy them back. And as I said before, Sony/Fox know how valuable these things are to Marvel, and thus will likely overcharge Marvel to get the rights back.. which is not a good thing when Marvel is now owned by the very frugal Disney.
They bought the rights to Punisher and Blade, IIRC, because they were relatively cheap. Plus I don't think Lionsgate had any plans to do a new Punisher movie. (There's a blade anime out, but that's animation and likely doesn't count.)
I'm on sleep medication at the moment, so I may just be getting confused or something, but i think that's generally the gist of it.
Spider-Man got a reboot likely because some higher up at sony went "So we don't have the original director, main actor or main actress.. Fuck it, just start it over again for a new franchise of a zillion movies."
I don't think that was why First Class was fast-tracked. First Class was in development for a long time (it evolved out of Magneto Origins and announced around the same time as Wolverine Origins). What is going to happen is they are going to run the franchise into the ground, start losing money on it then give up the rights. It may be 10-20 years from now, but eventually Marvel will get at least most of those rights back. Then they will have to sit on them for a decade before they can be useable.
(Oh, I think First Class was fasttracked because all the pieces fell into place and they wanted it out at a certain time, forgetting that there were three other comic films slated for the same timeframe. But that is just my guess)
Mockingbird is getting her own show? I don't even... What?
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