I beat it. I have a question regarding a particular ending scene.
So LaCroix tries to dominate you and you stab him with some handy scissors. But I thought dominate worked on people of a lower generation than you. Does that mean the players character is a higher or equal generation to la croix? And if so, wouldn't there be some very, very big repercussions for killing your sire that should have occured already in the game? Somehow I really don't see these laws applying to higher generation vampires than you. I thought higher generation vampires were essentially untouchable for the lower. You can't do shit.
It seems inconsistent with the power play and the politics of the world. But maybe I'm misunderstanding it because I never played WOD and my first real experience in this world was Bloodlines. So I'm confused and curious, rather than annoyed or anything.
It isn't just a matter of generation of generation but of power. If you refuse to do LaCroix's missions much earlier in the game he will force you to do them with dominate. By doing all of LaCroix's errands for him your character has grown in power at an such an astonishing rate that you are able to resist his dominate by the end of the game.
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The PC is remarkably powerful. It's entirely possible LaCroix is not a higher gen.
Low-gens do become Princes, and he does seem a little inexperienced to me, as Ventrue go.
Just got out of the Nosferatu hideout. I accepted a quest from a Nosferatu to help him bug some computer networks. I think the quest is called "A Tangled Web". The quest log says he'll email me with further instructions and a bunch of characters have said they'll email the computer in my haven.
So I head back to the apartment above the pawn shop in Santa Monica where I started the game (my 'haven'?), but the laptop is gone. There's nothing on the desk at all.
RT, did you get a new haven? If you're not Nosferatu or Tremere and completed the Elizabeth Dane quest without killing, LaCroix should have given you a new haven in the Skyline apartments in Downtown, where all your stuff was moved.
As for the end game spoilers, lower is the more powerful generations, higher is weaker because they're more generations removed. Not especially familiar with Vampire outside the game, but from what I've read...
You're probably only one generation higher than LaCroix (7th vs your 8th, the latter of which is apparently derived by comparing your blood points and max attributes to PnP rules), and while dominate fails on lower generation vampires, it doesn't auto-succeed on higher - it has a will check, which the PC has managed to improve over the course of the game.
Alternatively, in the game where the cabbie was intended to be someone that other sources semi-retcon, he's been boosting you behind the scenes. When you meet Andrei the second time (Steve Blum!), he says he can smell your blood and it's more powerful than last time, and doesn't that make you wonder?
Yet another offered explanation was that Gehenna had started, and an early part of it was the Withering in which vampires' powers sometimes failed them, starting with earlier vampires and progressing to higher gens. Since there was something official about Gehenna happening and ending that series, maybe the timeline syncs up. Someone more familiar could probably answer that.
Ahhh. I suspected my haven might move as the game progressed but I couldn't remember an NPC specifically mentioning it.
It's probly downtown now. I'll look around.
Thanks!
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@SoundsPlush: the Gehenna theory is very sound. They mention the advent of Thin Bloods, so it makes sense that the Withering caused the endgame stuff to happen.
Aren't Nosferatu supposed to get masquerade violations from being seen in public? I'm using the fan patch (7.6b, plus version) and I can run around just fine. I only get a violation if I feed on someone.
Now, people do run away from me and cops will shoot me, but I don't get violations from it unless I feed on or kill someone O_o
Yeah, you don't actually have to go through the whole sewer business (which is a plus, in my book). You just have to stay a distance from people. If too many people start running from you, then you'll get a masquerade violation. Also, I think if a cop notices you that's a quick violation right there.
I only ever broke the masquerade once while I was a nosferatu, and I didn't particularly give a shit. By that point, I could've waxed any hunters that might have poked around for me in any case.
You really need to try to screw yourself over with masquerade violations, this game is pretty generous with giving you chances to regain any you've lost and isn't too punishing when you do lose some.
@SoundsPlush: the Gehenna theory is very sound. They mention the advent of Thin Bloods, so it makes sense that the Withering caused the endgame stuff to happen.
As an explanation, that's a pretty bad one to have in your story, since it relies entirely on outside influences. I like the other option better.
Will power checks increasing.
the writers of this game are very good and that explanation is very amateurish, writing wise. It's arguably a deus ex. I mean it's technically possible using the rules of the world, I'm sure, but I really doubt its the one the writers were thinking of. Give them more credit.
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Dammit I love the Nosferatu dialogs.
"Dude, what's wrong with your face?"
"It's just a birthmark..."
What would happen if you just ran through and murdered police while screaming "FUCK LACROIX" at the top of your lungs?
My first playthrough with a gangrel I just turned on resilience and ran there with the police shooting me. I guess a mysterious man getting shot 40 times and running away doesn't break the masquerade though.
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My first run through was Tremere and Camarilla. When I received the new haven with Max my old one still had the laptop and some items. Heather and some decorations moved.
Second run through as Malkavian and sorta anarch, everything was moved to the skyline apartment.
I did check the computer in the basement to see if the apartment notes and cameras would change.
Max charisma, scholarship, subterfuge, and seduction.
Boss fights were not fun.
"I'm too beautiful to die!"
Runs around in a terrified circle being chased by nasties.
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Wow, ok, so the Elizabeth Dane as a nosferatu... is it even possible to do it without murdering everybody?
The first cop you come too, who as another clan you can talk to and convince to let you through and call off some of the other cops, attacks on sight. This leaves other cops in place and needing to be taken out to progress
Kinda shitty that the sneaky info gathering clan is forced to do this mission the brutal way.
Wow, ok, so the Elizabeth Dane as a nosferatu... is it even possible to do it without murdering everybody?
The first cop you come too, who as another clan you can talk to and convince to let you through and call off some of the other cops, attacks on sight. This leaves other cops in place and needing to be taken out to progress
Kinda shitty that the sneaky info gathering clan is forced to do this mission the brutal way.
Can't you just obfuscate around everything? That's how I remember doing it as a Malk.
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Wow, ok, so the Elizabeth Dane as a nosferatu... is it even possible to do it without murdering everybody?
The first cop you come too, who as another clan you can talk to and convince to let you through and call off some of the other cops, attacks on sight. This leaves other cops in place and needing to be taken out to progress
Kinda shitty that the sneaky info gathering clan is forced to do this mission the brutal way.
Can't you just obfuscate around everything? That's how I remember doing it as a Malk.
I was able to talk and sneak as a Malk. Had to select carefully from the dialogue options. First couple times the first cop decided I was crazy and shot me in the face. For some reason I couldn't get all objectives in the two minutes. Ended up using giggle fest on the first cop and jumping over the railing to escape.
Also, just started a gangrel last night. The movement animations are painfully bad. Might rethink trying these out and go with a Nosferatu instead.
Wow, ok, so the Elizabeth Dane as a nosferatu... is it even possible to do it without murdering everybody?
The first cop you come too, who as another clan you can talk to and convince to let you through and call off some of the other cops, attacks on sight. This leaves other cops in place and needing to be taken out to progress
Kinda shitty that the sneaky info gathering clan is forced to do this mission the brutal way.
Can't you just obfuscate around everything? That's how I remember doing it as a Malk.
I was able to talk and sneak as a Malk. Had to select carefully from the dialogue options. First couple times the first cop decided I was crazy and shot me in the face. For some reason I couldn't get all objectives in the two minutes. Ended up using giggle fest on the first cop and jumping over the railing to escape.
Also, just started a gangrel last night. The movement animations are painfully bad. Might rethink trying these out and go with a Nosferatu instead.
I am kind of amused by the idea of a cop talking to someone who he decides is crazy and just shooting them. It also makes me think about the Museum and the fact that there are 20 armed guards there patrolling constantly who shoot on sight which in retrospect seems kind of weird.
Ugh, I'm at the end of the game almost but for some reason it's not letting me choose the camarilla ending. I am Tremere and have the Chantry which should mean I meet the requirements unless the fanpatch changed something.
Edit: Figured it out, you have to side with the prince at first then switch.
The Indiana Jones ending is neat, but it lacks the nice finish of seeing LaCroix blow himself up and flipping off the Anarchs that my first runthru had.
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Low-gens do become Princes, and he does seem a little inexperienced to me, as Ventrue go.
So I head back to the apartment above the pawn shop in Santa Monica where I started the game (my 'haven'?), but the laptop is gone. There's nothing on the desk at all.
Am I the wrong place or is this bugged?
Seems like a weird bug.
As for the end game spoilers, lower is the more powerful generations, higher is weaker because they're more generations removed. Not especially familiar with Vampire outside the game, but from what I've read...
Alternatively, in the game where the cabbie was intended to be someone that other sources semi-retcon, he's been boosting you behind the scenes. When you meet Andrei the second time (Steve Blum!), he says he can smell your blood and it's more powerful than last time, and doesn't that make you wonder?
Yet another offered explanation was that Gehenna had started, and an early part of it was the Withering in which vampires' powers sometimes failed them, starting with earlier vampires and progressing to higher gens. Since there was something official about Gehenna happening and ending that series, maybe the timeline syncs up. Someone more familiar could probably answer that.
By that time you should have the one in downtown.
It's probly downtown now. I'll look around.
Thanks!
Yeah, you don't actually have to go through the whole sewer business (which is a plus, in my book). You just have to stay a distance from people. If too many people start running from you, then you'll get a masquerade violation. Also, I think if a cop notices you that's a quick violation right there.
I only ever broke the masquerade once while I was a nosferatu, and I didn't particularly give a shit. By that point, I could've waxed any hunters that might have poked around for me in any case.
If you played Malkavian, you could be Batman of Zur-en-Arrh.
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As an explanation, that's a pretty bad one to have in your story, since it relies entirely on outside influences. I like the other option better.
the writers of this game are very good and that explanation is very amateurish, writing wise. It's arguably a deus ex. I mean it's technically possible using the rules of the world, I'm sure, but I really doubt its the one the writers were thinking of. Give them more credit.
"Dude, what's wrong with your face?"
"It's just a birthmark..."
Second run through as Malkavian and sorta anarch, everything was moved to the skyline apartment.
I did check the computer in the basement to see if the apartment notes and cameras would change.
I have finished the game 3 times but never managed to get rid of them all.
E: Also a game over screen, of course.
You can get the skyline apartment as any clan other than nosforatu and tremere.
Toreador.
Max charisma, scholarship, subterfuge, and seduction.
Boss fights were not fun.
"I'm too beautiful to die!"
Runs around in a terrified circle being chased by nasties.
Kinda shitty that the sneaky info gathering clan is forced to do this mission the brutal way.
Also, just started a gangrel last night. The movement animations are painfully bad. Might rethink trying these out and go with a Nosferatu instead.
Sigh... poor creeps have to do everything the hard way.
Edit: Figured it out, you have to side with the prince at first then switch.
Orange-hot girders, or what have you. How the cab got into the middle of all of it, I've not the slightest idea.
Anything character can work, you just need one with some combat skills for the end game.