Hopefully it means peripherals will be available to buy in places.
I could do with a wireless guitar and I've still not picked up keys.
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Frak, I could do with a new drumkit. Closest one according to Gamestop is somewhere in Texas...
Plus a second wireless guitar/bass couldn't hurt. I'm still making due with a 1st gen wired P-bass and a RB3 wireless Fender.
Man I would love if they were coming out with a decent quality prodrums kit. My cymbals are quite literally falling apart bit by bit :P
Can't you use a regular electric kit? I have a really nice Roland set at my church, but I don't have RB3 so I figured it would be a waste of time to haul it to my house.
Plus a second wireless guitar/bass couldn't hurt. I'm still making due with a 1st gen wired P-bass and a RB3 wireless Fender.
Rockband 1 wired Strat here.
Really need a new one.
Also FyreWulff, yeah Pro Squier is awesome huh.
Yup. More in depth impressions:
So Mspencer brought over both the Mustang and the Squier. We got out the Mustang first and tried that.
The mustang was pretty fun to use as a real guitar. Strumbox felt better than the impressions of it some people had led me to believe. Did some tutorials and so on with it. The strings are fairly wide apart from what I remember, so it might be the better guitar for Pro Bass. Tried some songs, then we got out the Squier.
Oh man, you just pick that thing up and you cannot help but smile as you plonk around in the tutorials with it.
I tried to see how I would fare trying to jump in the deep end on Pro Bass. I requested Everybody Wants To Rule the World, which I actually learned to play on my real bass from an Expert Pro Bass video run on Youtube.
It worked kinda well. You really can't play fingerpick style bass on the Squier. It was really hard to not hit the other strings when i was trying to double pick the E.
Plus you got the relatively tiny frets of a guitar versus the bass, and your muscle memory kinda fails you here.
We all then took turns playing Pro on easy. It was still fun as shit. We had me (beginner Bass player), my third brother (experienced Bass player), and my youngest brother (Experienced Guitar player), and my stepdad (experienced guitar player, guitar teacher). Us two bass players struggled the most to get up to speed on Pro Guitar. My youngest brother got up to speed the fastest on the mechanics. Stepdad had to go to sleep before we could really get him to play it, but he did tune the guitar and play a song on it real quick.
When I got back home, it just reaffirmed that I need to get my own damn Squier.
Also, mspencer discovered the South Omaha Internet and Cell Phone Black Hole that day. They need to put a damn tower on the other side of the hills!
Damn, they're actually publishing the game itself now? That's pretty neat. I vaguely remember them saying they wanted to get into games publishing.
Better for them to practice on an already established franchise that's already been launched at retail, so they can get the experience for other titles.
I kind of wonder if the Mad Catz logo will be in their published discs, or if EA is still actually handling the distribution - since MTV Games was technically the publisher before, EA only distributed.
This week in 'Nobody Could've Predicted', the prediction thread on the Forums (The under won, for you gambling types.) has taken a turn for the 'no duh'.
Don't worry, there's still plenty to guess/speculate about this month.
For example, there's one particular track next week that hasn't shown up in any 'leaks' yet that I'm personally very excited about, because it may rival the Yes pack in sheer epicness.
So speculate away!
This has turned the thread into 'Clearly this means more prog because we are going to correctly use the term epic to mean "long narrative" rather than "vaguely awesome"!'
Rush and Dream Theater have now become the only things that can count.
I'd kill for that album. But lately I've been listening A LOT to The Bends.
Licensing for Radiohead must be pretty expensive
Not on the order of "The Beatles" expensive, but costly nonetheless
I'd say Radiohead deserves their own standalone game (probably more so than Green Day) except that everything after OK Computer ceases to fit with the Rock Band format (with a few exceptions)
Maybe Mad Catz can come out with a modular synth peripheral and we can all 5-star Kid A
If by expensive you mean 'unlikely to see as great a return on the investment', then you're probably right.
We basically already have two of their biggest hits. Any attempt at a full-album treatment would probably see Pixie's level success. And a dedicated disc would be hard pressed to surpass GDRB.
Somehow, I doubt that we'd get just one Floyd track. There'd be no point in offering just "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", "Echoes" or "Atom Heart Mother" (too many long breaks with nothing to do for most of the band.)
The only Pink Floyd song that I can imagine getting a single release would be Money (plenty there for the whole band to enjoy) but at the same time, if we're ever going to get any Pink Floyd, I bet The Dark Side of the Moon will be released in its entirety (yes, even "On The Run" -- if you track some of the synths to guitar and bass, you get something that might actually be fun to play.)
Epic songs to rival the Yes pack:
- Hotel California by the Eagles (already came out on one of the GH games, I believe)
- 21st Century Schizoid Man by King Crimson (finally an epically hard to play song that's not metal)
- Styx: Come Sail Away, or possibly Suite Madam Blue
- Something by Genesis, before Peter Gabriel left (I'm not familiar enough with them to suggest one particular song)
- Deep Purple: Child in Time -- now that we've got keys, this is the last major Purple track we need (I'm a big fan of Deep Purple, and I know there are many other great tracks, but if we have to stick to what's more well-known, this is at the top of the list of what's left to Rock Band-ize in that band's catalog.
If it's not going to be in any way prog, then here's a few more that could fit:
- Layla (the original, not the unplugged version) by Eric Clapton (well, Derek and the Dominos) -- assuming there's no exclusive deal with the Power Gig people still preventing this
- Born to Run by Bruce Springsteen -- although I somehow doubt he'd give approval for his songs to be Rock Band-ized (for similar, though less-pretentious and more neurotic reasons than Jimmy Page's reasons for blocking Led Zeppelin stuff)
- Superstition - Stevie Wonder : for the keyboard heroes in the audience
- something by the Rolling Stones? I'd love me some Sympathy for the Devil, even though that's already in GH V
- Maybe something by ELO (Electric Light Orchestra) Ther version of Roll Over Beethoven kicks ass, but it would probably be more complicated to license...
I realize I'm already moving in a less and less epic direction, so I'll stop here.
(The reality is that a few authors created some kind of automated script that checks for errors in charting. Many songs were pulled from review to fix minor issues that would otherwise get through.
It is funny that the only two new songs are metal, though.)
Then there is this:
.. Was all that B&G really needed?
WHY??? Five songs, and only Pac-man fever managed to sell more than 500 units on 360.. Heck, I could say 200 units. Why?? except for Pac-man those songs weren't even requested here on the forums, I could understand if they were huge sellers, but those AREN'T.
An interesting point. But what is forgotten are two things. One, that HMX has said that they will port to PS3 things they like personally. I wouldn't bet against HMX employees liking the Pac-Man Fever album, would you?
Two, HMX can/will only port RBN2.0 stuff. And while there is still plenty to choose from, there is no guarantee that what wasn't selected for this week has done much better.
I'd kill for that album. But lately I've been listening A LOT to The Bends.
Licensing for Radiohead must be pretty expensive
Not on the order of "The Beatles" expensive, but costly nonetheless
I'd say Radiohead deserves their own standalone game (probably more so than Green Day) except that everything after OK Computer ceases to fit with the Rock Band format (with a few exceptions)
Maybe Mad Catz can come out with a modular synth peripheral and we can all 5-star Kid A
The thing is, I bet the band would be all for it, but they don't exactly control their catalog, pre-In Rainbows. And clearly, the record label that does control this back-catalog are in "wring as much money as we can out of this" mode, right now, what with the special edition re-issues, the one- and two-disc best of's, and the big box set...
Also, apart from the latest album, all the post-OK Computer albums have had some Rock Band-worthy tracks:
Kid A: The National Anthem, Optimistic
Amnesiac: Knives Out, I Might Be Wrong, Dollars & Cents
Hail to the Thief: 2+2=5, Go To Sleep, There There
In Rainbows: Bodysnatchers, Nude (maybe a stretch, there), Weird Fishes / Arpeggi, Reckoner
In Rainbows was GREAT. It just might be my favorite of theirs, post-OK Computer.
How much does your average skittle-fest metal song sell on RBN?
The only people who know for sure aren't saying.
Extrapolating based on the fact that metal as a genre is much more abundant than any other and the not entirely reliable figures from sites like Keldon would suggest they still outsell most everything else.
If I had to pull a number out of my ass, I'd say by at least two to one. Probably higher.
Granted, not every metal song on RBN is a 'skittle-fest'. But I know what you mean. As far as RBN goes, metal is popular. But how much of that is because of outright support from metal bands and how much is based on people who want the 'challenge' and how much is people who actually like metal (much of RBN metal is also of a general/specific type) probably can't be known.
Trivia: If we used Xbox sales alone to determine what songs got ported, then (according to my most recent notes) we'd be releasing 33 metal songs and 7 non-metal songs over the next 8 weeks. Xbox RBN players love them some metal.
So, by extrapolation, metal sells at nearly five to one.
- Layla (the original, not the unplugged version) by Eric Clapton (well, Derek and the Dominos) -- assuming there's no exclusive deal with the Power Gig people still preventing this
- Born to Run by Bruce Springsteen -- although I somehow doubt he'd give approval for his songs to be Rock Band-ized (for similar, though less-pretentious and more neurotic reasons than Jimmy Page's reasons for blocking Led Zeppelin stuff)
Sadly, I'm fairly sure the Power Gig thing was an exclusive. But I live in hope... meanwhile, Born to Run was already on Guitar Hero, so the man can't be that opposed to it.
Trivia: If we used Xbox sales alone to determine what songs got ported, then (according to my most recent notes) we'd be releasing 33 metal songs and 7 non-metal songs over the next 8 weeks. Xbox RBN players love them some metal.
So, by extrapolation, metal sells at nearly five to one.
I get the feeling that's just a simple feedback loop kind of deal... RBN started out with all sorts of stuff, but the more hardcore players who decided to pay for the license needed to participate in RBN (to test and approve songs, especially) happened to be in it more for the gaming challenge than for the music itself, so they went mostly for the songs that challenged them the most. That caused more metal songs to be approved, giving those songs more exposure than other genres, leading to more sales, leading to RBN content producers to think, "hey, Metal seems to be selling the best, I guess we'll concentrate on that, it's what the players seem to want the most."
And so on.
If I was better, I'd probably contribute to the testing of RBN songs. (I have trouble with hard guitar and bass above two dots -- though I did eventually beat Beatles Rock Band story mode on hard bass -- I'm only just starting medium pro keys, I have trouble with medium drums because, fuck the kick pedal, my foot wasn't made for this kind of shit, I'm sure I could beat hard drums if it weren't for the kick. The only "instrument" I actually seem good at is Vocals, where I can play on Expert for many songs, as long as I really know the song -- which kinda doesn't help for most RBN stuff.)
Which wraps right back to my "circular" reasoning above: the best people to test songs are the ones who are pretty good at the game, and the ones who get good tend to be looking for a new challenge, not for more easy songs (I know many of you on this forum are exceptions to this, I'm just generalizing, here.) So the more challenging songs get tested more, and are ready to be released sooner.
And so on.
When I look at some of the other RBN songs, I see what (to me) seems like an abnormal amount of tracks in the "classical" category. Why? The songs are a similar challenge to prog metal.
Are the sales stats for individual RBN songs freely available?
I've tried plugging a 360 Mustang into a 360 MIDI adapter, and it does mostly work. Since the data going over the MIDI cable is not system-specific, I'm positive it would work for other consoles' MIDI adapters or Mustang guitars.
When RB3 starts it identifies which type of guitar is connected to the MIDI adapter, and uses that observation even if the guitar changes. If RB3 detects a Mustang it gives 17-fret charts and allows the option of playing five-lane (which does NOT actually work,) even if you switch to a Squier in mid song. If RB3 detects a Squier (or no guitar at all) it gives 22-fret charts and no five-lane support, even if you switch to a Mustang in mid song.
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Cool. The Wii and PS3 versions seem to go on sale more often and sell for less on eBay, and I'd like to get a MIDI adapter anyway, so I might just grab whichever one I can get at a low price.
Are the sales stats for individual RBN songs freely available?
No.
And it's doubtful that the preferences of the testers has anything to do with it. The main reason is that it's been mostly metal bands that have decided to participate in the long run. The 'debate' is whether the people buying them are into metal or into the challenge (or even both).
And absolutely nothing that isn't already popular or known will sell worth a damn.
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PRO GUITAR IS NEAT.
Trying to jump into Expert Pro Bass on a Guitar was lol.
Also, I definitely now see why the Mustang is crap for 5 lane.
I could do with a wireless guitar and I've still not picked up keys.
Plus a second wireless guitar/bass couldn't hurt. I'm still making due with a 1st gen wired P-bass and a RB3 wireless Fender.
Rockband 1 wired Strat here.
Really need a new one.
Also FyreWulff, yeah Pro Squier is awesome huh.
Can't you use a regular electric kit? I have a really nice Roland set at my church, but I don't have RB3 so I figured it would be a waste of time to haul it to my house.
It probably means that Guitar Hero stuff is being phased out of stores, and that buying direct from Harmonix/Mad Catz is becoming the only option.
Yup. More in depth impressions:
So Mspencer brought over both the Mustang and the Squier. We got out the Mustang first and tried that.
The mustang was pretty fun to use as a real guitar. Strumbox felt better than the impressions of it some people had led me to believe. Did some tutorials and so on with it. The strings are fairly wide apart from what I remember, so it might be the better guitar for Pro Bass. Tried some songs, then we got out the Squier.
Oh man, you just pick that thing up and you cannot help but smile as you plonk around in the tutorials with it.
I tried to see how I would fare trying to jump in the deep end on Pro Bass. I requested Everybody Wants To Rule the World, which I actually learned to play on my real bass from an Expert Pro Bass video run on Youtube.
It worked kinda well. You really can't play fingerpick style bass on the Squier. It was really hard to not hit the other strings when i was trying to double pick the E.
Plus you got the relatively tiny frets of a guitar versus the bass, and your muscle memory kinda fails you here.
We all then took turns playing Pro on easy. It was still fun as shit. We had me (beginner Bass player), my third brother (experienced Bass player), and my youngest brother (Experienced Guitar player), and my stepdad (experienced guitar player, guitar teacher). Us two bass players struggled the most to get up to speed on Pro Guitar. My youngest brother got up to speed the fastest on the mechanics. Stepdad had to go to sleep before we could really get him to play it, but he did tune the guitar and play a song on it real quick.
When I got back home, it just reaffirmed that I need to get my own damn Squier.
Also, mspencer discovered the South Omaha Internet and Cell Phone Black Hole that day. They need to put a damn tower on the other side of the hills!
Better for them to practice on an already established franchise that's already been launched at retail, so they can get the experience for other titles.
I kind of wonder if the Mad Catz logo will be in their published discs, or if EA is still actually handling the distribution - since MTV Games was technically the publisher before, EA only distributed.
This has turned the thread into 'Clearly this means more prog because we are going to correctly use the term epic to mean "long narrative" rather than "vaguely awesome"!'
Rush and Dream Theater have now become the only things that can count.
It would be hilarious if it was something like, I dunno, "Marquee Moon"
....what? He's written epics!
I won't be anything you like.
(back to taking my meds now)
All of The Bends and OK Computer
I'd kill for that album. But lately I've been listening A LOT to The Bends.
I would also like more Talking Heads
Licensing for Radiohead must be pretty expensive
Not on the order of "The Beatles" expensive, but costly nonetheless
I'd say Radiohead deserves their own standalone game (probably more so than Green Day) except that everything after OK Computer ceases to fit with the Rock Band format (with a few exceptions)
Maybe Mad Catz can come out with a modular synth peripheral and we can all 5-star Kid A
We basically already have two of their biggest hits. Any attempt at a full-album treatment would probably see Pixie's level success. And a dedicated disc would be hard pressed to surpass GDRB.
Somehow, I doubt that we'd get just one Floyd track. There'd be no point in offering just "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", "Echoes" or "Atom Heart Mother" (too many long breaks with nothing to do for most of the band.)
The only Pink Floyd song that I can imagine getting a single release would be Money (plenty there for the whole band to enjoy) but at the same time, if we're ever going to get any Pink Floyd, I bet The Dark Side of the Moon will be released in its entirety (yes, even "On The Run" -- if you track some of the synths to guitar and bass, you get something that might actually be fun to play.)
Epic songs to rival the Yes pack:
- Hotel California by the Eagles (already came out on one of the GH games, I believe)
- 21st Century Schizoid Man by King Crimson (finally an epically hard to play song that's not metal)
- Styx: Come Sail Away, or possibly Suite Madam Blue
- Something by Genesis, before Peter Gabriel left (I'm not familiar enough with them to suggest one particular song)
- Deep Purple: Child in Time -- now that we've got keys, this is the last major Purple track we need (I'm a big fan of Deep Purple, and I know there are many other great tracks, but if we have to stick to what's more well-known, this is at the top of the list of what's left to Rock Band-ize in that band's catalog.
If it's not going to be in any way prog, then here's a few more that could fit:
- Layla (the original, not the unplugged version) by Eric Clapton (well, Derek and the Dominos) -- assuming there's no exclusive deal with the Power Gig people still preventing this
- Born to Run by Bruce Springsteen -- although I somehow doubt he'd give approval for his songs to be Rock Band-ized (for similar, though less-pretentious and more neurotic reasons than Jimmy Page's reasons for blocking Led Zeppelin stuff)
- Superstition - Stevie Wonder : for the keyboard heroes in the audience
- something by the Rolling Stones? I'd love me some Sympathy for the Devil, even though that's already in GH V
- Maybe something by ELO (Electric Light Orchestra) Ther version of Roll Over Beethoven kicks ass, but it would probably be more complicated to license...
I realize I'm already moving in a less and less epic direction, so I'll stop here.
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Oh noes! RBN is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!
(The reality is that a few authors created some kind of automated script that checks for errors in charting. Many songs were pulled from review to fix minor issues that would otherwise get through.
It is funny that the only two new songs are metal, though.)
Then there is this:
An interesting point. But what is forgotten are two things. One, that HMX has said that they will port to PS3 things they like personally. I wouldn't bet against HMX employees liking the Pac-Man Fever album, would you?
Two, HMX can/will only port RBN2.0 stuff. And while there is still plenty to choose from, there is no guarantee that what wasn't selected for this week has done much better.
The thing is, I bet the band would be all for it, but they don't exactly control their catalog, pre-In Rainbows. And clearly, the record label that does control this back-catalog are in "wring as much money as we can out of this" mode, right now, what with the special edition re-issues, the one- and two-disc best of's, and the big box set...
Also, apart from the latest album, all the post-OK Computer albums have had some Rock Band-worthy tracks:
Kid A: The National Anthem, Optimistic
Amnesiac: Knives Out, I Might Be Wrong, Dollars & Cents
Hail to the Thief: 2+2=5, Go To Sleep, There There
In Rainbows: Bodysnatchers, Nude (maybe a stretch, there), Weird Fishes / Arpeggi, Reckoner
In Rainbows was GREAT. It just might be my favorite of theirs, post-OK Computer.
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The only people who know for sure aren't saying.
Extrapolating based on the fact that metal as a genre is much more abundant than any other and the not entirely reliable figures from sites like Keldon would suggest they still outsell most everything else.
If I had to pull a number out of my ass, I'd say by at least two to one. Probably higher.
Granted, not every metal song on RBN is a 'skittle-fest'. But I know what you mean. As far as RBN goes, metal is popular. But how much of that is because of outright support from metal bands and how much is based on people who want the 'challenge' and how much is people who actually like metal (much of RBN metal is also of a general/specific type) probably can't be known.
So, by extrapolation, metal sells at nearly five to one.
Also fuck yeah to the sir_pinch-a-loaf who said Muse. Also Layla as Shutz said, that would fucking rule.
I'm wishing upon a star that some uncensored Steel Panther makes it's way.
Or more Maiden!
I was, uh, being sarcastic. Can't stand Muse.
Well bugger me with a badger.
Sadly, I'm fairly sure the Power Gig thing was an exclusive. But I live in hope... meanwhile, Born to Run was already on Guitar Hero, so the man can't be that opposed to it.
I get the feeling that's just a simple feedback loop kind of deal... RBN started out with all sorts of stuff, but the more hardcore players who decided to pay for the license needed to participate in RBN (to test and approve songs, especially) happened to be in it more for the gaming challenge than for the music itself, so they went mostly for the songs that challenged them the most. That caused more metal songs to be approved, giving those songs more exposure than other genres, leading to more sales, leading to RBN content producers to think, "hey, Metal seems to be selling the best, I guess we'll concentrate on that, it's what the players seem to want the most."
And so on.
If I was better, I'd probably contribute to the testing of RBN songs. (I have trouble with hard guitar and bass above two dots -- though I did eventually beat Beatles Rock Band story mode on hard bass -- I'm only just starting medium pro keys, I have trouble with medium drums because, fuck the kick pedal, my foot wasn't made for this kind of shit, I'm sure I could beat hard drums if it weren't for the kick. The only "instrument" I actually seem good at is Vocals, where I can play on Expert for many songs, as long as I really know the song -- which kinda doesn't help for most RBN stuff.)
Which wraps right back to my "circular" reasoning above: the best people to test songs are the ones who are pretty good at the game, and the ones who get good tend to be looking for a new challenge, not for more easy songs (I know many of you on this forum are exceptions to this, I'm just generalizing, here.) So the more challenging songs get tested more, and are ready to be released sooner.
And so on.
When I look at some of the other RBN songs, I see what (to me) seems like an abnormal amount of tracks in the "classical" category. Why? The songs are a similar challenge to prog metal.
Are the sales stats for individual RBN songs freely available?
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When RB3 starts it identifies which type of guitar is connected to the MIDI adapter, and uses that observation even if the guitar changes. If RB3 detects a Mustang it gives 17-fret charts and allows the option of playing five-lane (which does NOT actually work,) even if you switch to a Squier in mid song. If RB3 detects a Squier (or no guitar at all) it gives 22-fret charts and no five-lane support, even if you switch to a Mustang in mid song.
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No.
And it's doubtful that the preferences of the testers has anything to do with it. The main reason is that it's been mostly metal bands that have decided to participate in the long run. The 'debate' is whether the people buying them are into metal or into the challenge (or even both).
And absolutely nothing that isn't already popular or known will sell worth a damn.
That will only get you people that have played with a gold account, though.