As we've said before, there's simply not enough of a demand to warrant additional Pro guitar upgrades, especially given the resources required to license, chart and submit them for release. The recent Life of a DLC Pack write up I did should give a clearer view into the amount of work required to release content every week.
If the demand is there then we'd gladly revisit DLC strategy, but unfortunately the Pro guitar player base is nowhere near large enough to dictate future DLC releases at this time.
Not that anybody paying attention couldn't have figured that out.
I don't follow Pro-Guitar stuff. Does this refer to them no longer releasing Pro-Guitar Upgrade packs for previously released content, or are they dropping development of Pro-Guitar charts for future releases as well?
It's just a general comment and response about upgrades for legacy songs. The dude I didn't name is kind of notorious for being extra pissy about there not being enough Pro upgrades in a given week anyway and that the ones picked are almost always too easy. So he's just banging his weekly drum about his little beef in much the same way people feel the need to point out that they're not buying anything this week, again.
henry goes on to say later that the fact that they still produce upgrades on a weekly basis should show that they are, in fact, committed to it. In this case, he's just pointing out that the cost/profit benefit for doing it for songs that are already released is essentially not worth it.
He isn't saying they won't do it. Just that hoping or expecting it in light of current market factors is just a waste of time (my words). I wouldn't doubt that at some point this year they release more legacy Pro upgrades. The reality is that expecting or even demanding it is just futile.
Pro charting is incredibly difficult when you consider that a lot of these songs probably don't have formal notation that they can look at, and guitars have multiple ways to play similar sounding notes and chords, and so they have to research the band's particular playing styles...
Yeah, I don't expect Legacy upgrades in anything less than huge batches or timed with new songs from the same artist, like all of the Pro upgrades for Nevermind coming out when they released the last Nirvana pack.
Well, it's also the cost involved. Not just in the man hours for production, but the licensing process. And I'm sure that not only do they have to re-license each song for the upgrade, but they have to get the masters back just to get the stems to work with. (It's actually amazing that people believe that HMX keeps the stems when they're done.)
The process is as time consuming as doing a regular release and all for something that they earn half as much per download and even then only appeals to about 5% of the audience anyway.
It's certainly more logical to think legacy upgrades are likely as some sort of tie-in. But then again, this is music we're dealing with. Logic rarely applies.
I really need to make sure my drum kit still works. I moved back in March and I haven't set it up at all to try it out. Also, I still need a new guitar. Ugh.
if only Harmonix would acquire the rights to all the GH songs and make them importable to RB3 it would make things so much better and so much easier.
and before some of the "usuals" jump out saying it's not possible, different DLC structure, blah-blah. trust me, it's possible. the biggest hurdle would be the legal process, nothing else.
'All they have to do is...'
Just, wow. Pipe dreams are great and all, but when you wake up, reality has to matter.
if only Harmonix would acquire the rights to all the GH songs and make them importable to RB3 it would make things so much better and so much easier.
and before some of the "usuals" jump out saying it's not possible, different DLC structure, blah-blah. trust me, it's possible. the biggest hurdle would be the legal process, nothing else.
'All they have to do is...'
Just, wow. Pipe dreams are great and all, but when you wake up, reality has to matter.
Well, he's right. It is possible. He's wrong saying the legal process is the biggest hurdle, but it's totally possible! It'd also be a lot less hassle and bother to re-license all the songs that were in Guitar Hero and chart them anew specifically for Rock Band 3. But then, of course, you'd get complaints that the charts weren't as good as GH.
Also the fact that we've basically hit critical mass for the GH2 songs now available in Rock Band.. no real reason to go put in GH2 anymore, unless you really want to play Freya.
We just got word from Mad Catz that they're taking pre orders on another run of RB3 Pro Drum Kits w/ Cymbals for the Xbox 360! These should be available in early July.
Unquestionably one of the most influential forces in heavy metal, Iron Maiden spearheaded metal in the early eighties and continue to define the genre. With over 85 million album sales, more than 2,000 live performances worldwide, and 15 studio albums to date, Iron Maiden are one of the hardest rocking and hardest working bands in rock.
On May 22nd, the six song pack “Maiden Epics” comes to the Rock Band Music Store. "Maiden Epics" represents a selection of Iron Maiden's most powerful and epic tracks from their albums recorded during the 1980s and thus ties in with their 2012 “Maiden England” Tour, the set list for which will be almost exclusively filled with classics from that remarkable decade.
Tracks in the “Maiden Epics” pack include: “Phantom of the Opera” from the band’s 1980 self-titled debut studio record; “The Prisoner” from 1982’s Number of the Beast; “The Flight of Icarus” from 1983’s Piece of Mind; the 13-minute epic “Rime of the Ancient Mariner” from 1984’s Powerslave; and “Infinite Dreams” and “Seventh Son of a Seventh Son,” from 1988’s Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.
This June, Iron Maiden will embark on an extensive "Maiden England" North American tour starting in Charlotte, NC on June 21st and finishing up in Houston, TX on August 18th. For more information, head to http://www.ironmaiden.com/tourdates.php.
Available on Xbox 360, Wii and PlayStation®3 system (May 22nd, 2012):
• Iron Maiden – “Phantom of the Opera”
• Iron Maiden – “The Prisoner”
• Iron Maiden – “The Flight of Icarus” X
• Iron Maiden – “Rime of the Ancient Mariner” X
• Iron Maiden – “Infinite Dreams”
• Iron Maiden – “Seventh Son of a Seventh Son” O
Tracks marked with “X” will offer Pro Guitar and Pro Bass expansions for $0.99 per song; tracks marked with “O” feature support for keyboards.
Price:
$9.99 (800 Microsoft Points™, 1000 Wii Points™) for the “Maiden Epics” pack
$1.99 USD (160 Microsoft Points ™, 200 Wii Points™) per song
$0.99 USD (80 Microsoft Points™, 100 Wii Points™) per song for eligible Pro Guitar/Pro Bass upgrade
** Dates for Rock Band game tracks are tentative and subject to change. **
To discuss this DLC please visit the official discussion thread in the Rock Band forum.
For all DLC song credits, including album and genre info as well as difficulty ratings, you can check out the Songs page.
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I ended up getting most of the songs from the first Iron Maiden pack and they were pretty fun on drums. I am keeping a close eye on the charts for these ones too.
God yes ! Yes, yes and yes ! Can't go wrong with some Maiden, even the new stuff is good. Rime of the Ancient Mariner... I just drooled on my keyboard. God damn, I'm happy. The Prisoner is also a favourite of mine. I will buy this so hard.
if only Harmonix would acquire the rights to all the GH songs and make them importable to RB3 it would make things so much better and so much easier.
and before some of the "usuals" jump out saying it's not possible, different DLC structure, blah-blah. trust me, it's possible. the biggest hurdle would be the legal process, nothing else.
'All they have to do is...'
Just, wow. Pipe dreams are great and all, but when you wake up, reality has to matter.
Well, he's right. It is possible. He's wrong saying the legal process is the biggest hurdle, but it's totally possible! It'd also be a lot less hassle and bother to re-license all the songs that were in Guitar Hero and chart them anew specifically for Rock Band 3. But then, of course, you'd get complaints that the charts weren't as good as GH.
There is still a difference between 'possible' and 'feasible'. GH introduced the open note on bass. And their slide notes, too. The drums are probably coded into the song for 4-pad and 5-pad.
But at the end of the day, you're looking at a title update (Fuck you, Wii!) just so that Rock Band knows to look in the proper directories for songs and that whatever format they're saved in is then readable within Rock Band itself. Along with any translation that needs to happen for people along the way (Would it switch drums automatically to 4-pad or would it keep it 5-pad just for people who are using GH drums? [And would you want to play a set list containing 4-pad, 5-pad, and Pro songs?])
And then there is the legal process. Every single GH song was licensed for use in GH games. Why didn't we get those five songs from RB2? Because they were only licensed for RB2. The same for every song that is no longer playable in RB3. Sure, from the fan's view, it's easy. But at that point, you might as well start arguing to see Halo maps in Gears of War or something. GH and RB songs being so similar doesn't automatically make them compatible.
Might as well argue that all HMX needs to do is give The Beatles more money and POOF! more BRB DLC. Things are simply never that simple.
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Alright, with more Maiden hitting Tuesday, I humbly request to try and get a full group together and play the shit out of them.
I happen to be off work on Tuesday, so I'm available all day long, and can pull duty on guitar/bass, drums, or vocals (although I may pass out trying some of the held notes in Infinite Dreams).
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Not that anybody paying attention couldn't have figured that out.
henry goes on to say later that the fact that they still produce upgrades on a weekly basis should show that they are, in fact, committed to it. In this case, he's just pointing out that the cost/profit benefit for doing it for songs that are already released is essentially not worth it.
He isn't saying they won't do it. Just that hoping or expecting it in light of current market factors is just a waste of time (my words). I wouldn't doubt that at some point this year they release more legacy Pro upgrades. The reality is that expecting or even demanding it is just futile.
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The process is as time consuming as doing a regular release and all for something that they earn half as much per download and even then only appeals to about 5% of the audience anyway.
It's certainly more logical to think legacy upgrades are likely as some sort of tie-in. But then again, this is music we're dealing with. Logic rarely applies.
This song is more fun on bass
Looks like we're getting prog of some kind.
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If it isn't Dream Theater, then it's something from the '70s.
And people will still bitch about it.
Yeah, probably something from the 70's.
'All they have to do is...'
Just, wow. Pipe dreams are great and all, but when you wake up, reality has to matter.
The short version:
Well, he's right. It is possible. He's wrong saying the legal process is the biggest hurdle, but it's totally possible! It'd also be a lot less hassle and bother to re-license all the songs that were in Guitar Hero and chart them anew specifically for Rock Band 3. But then, of course, you'd get complaints that the charts weren't as good as GH.
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But... but GH charts were really kinda dumb in a lot of cases from what I remember...
Ahh geez... $200...
Going for 400$ new in some places.
also me committing wrist seppuku
Maybe it's still there...
Same reason people say that Halo 1 had the best multiplayer. Nostalgia glasses.
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Because I never gave up hope: Knights of Cydonia / Muse pack?
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I also don't mind super long songs
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I've been craving more Maiden since that first pack hit 2 years ago.
Rime of the Ancient Mariner is getting played so hard.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
There is still a difference between 'possible' and 'feasible'. GH introduced the open note on bass. And their slide notes, too. The drums are probably coded into the song for 4-pad and 5-pad.
But at the end of the day, you're looking at a title update (Fuck you, Wii!) just so that Rock Band knows to look in the proper directories for songs and that whatever format they're saved in is then readable within Rock Band itself. Along with any translation that needs to happen for people along the way (Would it switch drums automatically to 4-pad or would it keep it 5-pad just for people who are using GH drums? [And would you want to play a set list containing 4-pad, 5-pad, and Pro songs?])
And then there is the legal process. Every single GH song was licensed for use in GH games. Why didn't we get those five songs from RB2? Because they were only licensed for RB2. The same for every song that is no longer playable in RB3. Sure, from the fan's view, it's easy. But at that point, you might as well start arguing to see Halo maps in Gears of War or something. GH and RB songs being so similar doesn't automatically make them compatible.
Might as well argue that all HMX needs to do is give The Beatles more money and POOF! more BRB DLC. Things are simply never that simple.
SO BOUGHT.
I happen to be off work on Tuesday, so I'm available all day long, and can pull duty on guitar/bass, drums, or vocals (although I may pass out trying some of the held notes in Infinite Dreams).
~ Buckaroo Banzai
All the more reason to pick up Blitz when it hits the XBLA.
~ Buckaroo Banzai