So I just read through every issue I could find of IDW's Dungeons and Dragons, after it was recommended on this forum. And it's absolutely fantastic - really captures the spirit of tabletop gaming and fantasy adventures. And it's now on hiatus, with no more issues solicited. Damn it! The Drizzt series isn't nearly as good, which gives me doubts about the upcoming Forgotten Realms books. As a big fantasy comic fan, this really bums me out.
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AriviaI Like A ChallengeEarth-1Registered Userregular
So I just read through every issue I could find of IDW's Dungeons and Dragons, after it was recommended on this forum. And it's absolutely fantastic - really captures the spirit of tabletop gaming and fantasy adventures. And it's now on hiatus, with no more issues solicited. Damn it! The Drizzt series isn't nearly as good, which gives me doubts about the upcoming Forgotten Realms books. As a big fantasy comic fan, this really bums me out.
The FR comic is being written by the creator of the FR, not whoever was doing the Drizzt comic. Trust me, it'll be really good, even if the starter hook is "Talandra Roaringhorn was kidnapped!"
Especially since the next arc of Fell's Five was going to be a pirate arc!
And Arivia - that's good news. I read on another message board that it was the same writer as Drizzt. If it's the same writer, I'm not as worried.
No, it's not the same writer as the previous D&D comic even. The FR comic is being written by Ed Greenwood, who came up with the Forgotten Realms all by himself (technically WotC now contracts it out from him.) He has a depth and vivacity to his writing in the setting that many others lack; it's going to be something really really special.
Especially since the next arc of Fell's Five was going to be a pirate arc!
And Arivia - that's good news. I read on another message board that it was the same writer as Drizzt. If it's the same writer, I'm not as worried.
No, it's not the same writer as the previous D&D comic even. The FR comic is being written by Ed Greenwood, who came up with the Forgotten Realms all by himself (technically WotC now contracts it out from him.) He has a depth and vivacity to his writing in the setting that many others lack; it's going to be something really really special.
Oops, my bad - I misread your post. I'm familiar with Greenwood's prose novels, and like them better than Salvatore's, so I'll expect good things .
So, I didn't buy Avengers v.s. X-Men #0, because I don't like shameless cash grabs. But, I saw this page online.
Seriously, can anyone write a Vision that doesn't cry? Moreover, can anyone write a Vision that's any good? Surely it's possible, but he's always stuck as the stoic, uptight robot, who surprises everyone by expressing some basic emotion.
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Kelex is still the best robot in comics, or was. I don't know if he's around anymore.
I do love in that page how I'm supposed to feel sorry for Wanda, because she's covering her face and being whisked away by Carol and all, but the more they try and run with the idea that Wanda going crazy was all just a big misunderstanding, the less empathy I feel for her. At least when Captain Atom went crazy and rehabbed, he only killed a bunch of people on some multiverse no one cared for, so it was probably for the best.
edit: and why is the crazy lady just walking around, right next to the White House? Ankle bracelet at all times!
Everyone just seems to write them as robots first, and rounded characters second. I mean, they're ostensibly still people. They still want things, fear things, form relationships, etc.
But, everyone who writes them seems to go straight for the usual generic robot tropes. I don't really get it.
So, I didn't buy Avengers v.s. X-Men #0, because I don't like shameless cash grabs. But, I saw this page online.
Seriously, can anyone write a Vision that doesn't cry? Moreover, can anyone write a Vision that's any good? Surely it's possible, but he's always stuck as the stoic, uptight robot, who surprises everyone by expressing some basic emotion.
Busiek's Vision is excellent. It was his Avengers run with Perez that made me a fan.
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Everyone just seems to write them as robots first, and rounded characters second. I mean, they're ostensibly still people. They still want things, fear things, form relationships, etc.
But, everyone who writes them seems to go straight for the usual generic robot tropes. I don't really get it.
Atomic Robo is the best robot. In part because Brian Clevinger has specifically discussed this as the Bender and Data archetypes that define virtually all fictional robots/cyborgs/androids, ignoring that there are infinite other options than variations on those two extremes.
Okay, I will comment on that page.
Ms. Marvel letting Vision tell Wanda that she doesn't belong with the other Avengers instead of putting her fist through his face seems a bit ... Off.
Goddamn. The Avengers are now in their sixth decade of being total dicks.
So, I didn't buy Avengers v.s. X-Men #0, because I don't like shameless cash grabs. But, I saw this page online.
Seriously, can anyone write a Vision that doesn't cry? Moreover, can anyone write a Vision that's any good? Surely it's possible, but he's always stuck as the stoic, uptight robot, who surprises everyone by expressing some basic emotion.
He's been destroyed and rebuilt so many times that I think any bits of him that were related to Wonder Man have been lost.
Everyone just seems to write them as robots first, and rounded characters second. I mean, they're ostensibly still people. They still want things, fear things, form relationships, etc.
But, everyone who writes them seems to go straight for the usual generic robot tropes. I don't really get it.
Atomic Robo is the best robot. In part because Brian Clevinger has specifically discussed this as the Bender and Data archetypes that define virtually all fictional robots/cyborgs/androids, ignoring that there are infinite other options than variations on those two extremes.
Well. I love Atomic Robo, but Robo is basically written as a metallic, slightly-more-responsible Deadpool. He's quite different from most robot/android characters, yes, but he's hardly breaking new ground in subtle and complex characterization.
Everyone just seems to write them as robots first, and rounded characters second. I mean, they're ostensibly still people. They still want things, fear things, form relationships, etc.
But, everyone who writes them seems to go straight for the usual generic robot tropes. I don't really get it.
Atomic Robo is the best robot. In part because Brian Clevinger has specifically discussed this as the Bender and Data archetypes that define virtually all fictional robots/cyborgs/androids, ignoring that there are infinite other options than variations on those two extremes.
Well. I love Atomic Robo, but Robo is basically written as a metallic, slightly-more-responsible Deadpool. He's quite different from most robot/android characters, yes, but he's hardly breaking new ground in subtle and complex characterization.
I just thought I'd mention that the phrase "metallic, slightly-more-responsible-Deadpool" got me impulse buy the first volume just a few minutes ago.
Well, that and loving everything about the various freebie ones that were around. Should scratch the comedy itch given the amount of warning I've gotten against picking up any recent Deadpool.
Also as for why nobody would really give Vision shit for that
remember that Wanda's actions, even though she was insane and cannot be held accountable for him, resulted in him being used to harm the Avengers (which is what Ultron originally did with him) and also then get killed.
So I would imagine that he is going through some trauma too
they are both victims
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AriviaI Like A ChallengeEarth-1Registered Userregular
no really he's going through trauma what the hell was Avengers 24.1
I've never really seen him in comic before and the way he appeared made me think he was made of metal or something. The teeth just weirded me out.
He's still a "synthezoid" right? Which used to mean that he was an exact replica of a human, but his parts were made from synthetic materials. Thus he still had like, muscle fibers, but they were all super strong plastics and what not.
Been awhile since I was deep in the Avengers end of the pool, so no idea if that's still the case since they brought him back.
which means that he has full human capability and is not a robot
he does have organs, bones, muscles etc
it's just that they are all made of synthetic materials not organic ones
which leads to the question of isn't the difference and matter of perspective, but whatever
anyway, the Vision is great and he has cool powers and if you don't like him I am sorry but you are bad at comics
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I like a lot of things John Byrne has done in comics.
But he was really kind of a douche the way he handled what happened to the Vision and Wanda. He was pretty callous in removing the kids and totally destroying the Vision's personality, simply because he didn't like those plot lines.
It's pretty crazy that this many years later, so many of their current problems still stim from that one issue.
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What the fuck point is he trying to make
Why the fuck would you post that asshole's shitty comic
FUCK
The FR comic is being written by the creator of the FR, not whoever was doing the Drizzt comic. Trust me, it'll be really good, even if the starter hook is "Talandra Roaringhorn was kidnapped!"
And Arivia - that's good news. I read on another message board that it was the same writer as Drizzt. If it's the same writer, I'm not as worried.
No, it's not the same writer as the previous D&D comic even. The FR comic is being written by Ed Greenwood, who came up with the Forgotten Realms all by himself (technically WotC now contracts it out from him.) He has a depth and vivacity to his writing in the setting that many others lack; it's going to be something really really special.
Oops, my bad - I misread your post. I'm familiar with Greenwood's prose novels, and like them better than Salvatore's, so I'll expect good things
Seriously, can anyone write a Vision that doesn't cry? Moreover, can anyone write a Vision that's any good? Surely it's possible, but he's always stuck as the stoic, uptight robot, who surprises everyone by expressing some basic emotion.
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except for the crying
I cannot abide crying robots
one of the greatest Avengers scenes of all time, according to some!
Ugh.
Ugh.
The thing is, Vision's based off Wonder Man's mind, right?
So, why is he stoic and dour all the time?
I think that could actually make a decent Vision story. Is Vision just all of Simon Williams' Ego, with none of the Id?
The Vision's been around for so long, but there's so little character there.
It's like he and Red Tornado are both afflicted by the same boring robot disease.
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I do love in that page how I'm supposed to feel sorry for Wanda, because she's covering her face and being whisked away by Carol and all, but the more they try and run with the idea that Wanda going crazy was all just a big misunderstanding, the less empathy I feel for her. At least when Captain Atom went crazy and rehabbed, he only killed a bunch of people on some multiverse no one cared for, so it was probably for the best.
edit: and why is the crazy lady just walking around, right next to the White House? Ankle bracelet at all times!
There are questions I have about that page, but I'd rather not just get frustrated.
Everyone just seems to write them as robots first, and rounded characters second. I mean, they're ostensibly still people. They still want things, fear things, form relationships, etc.
But, everyone who writes them seems to go straight for the usual generic robot tropes. I don't really get it.
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Busiek's Vision is excellent. It was his Avengers run with Perez that made me a fan.
Atomic Robo is the best robot. In part because Brian Clevinger has specifically discussed this as the Bender and Data archetypes that define virtually all fictional robots/cyborgs/androids, ignoring that there are infinite other options than variations on those two extremes.
Okay, I will comment on that page.
Goddamn. The Avengers are now in their sixth decade of being total dicks.
He's been destroyed and rebuilt so many times that I think any bits of him that were related to Wonder Man have been lost.
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Well. I love Atomic Robo, but Robo is basically written as a metallic, slightly-more-responsible Deadpool. He's quite different from most robot/android characters, yes, but he's hardly breaking new ground in subtle and complex characterization.
But then
I don't know much about vision.
why wouldn't he have teeth?
He is an android designed to look human
I've never really seen him in comic before and the way he appeared made me think he was made of metal or something. The teeth just weirded me out.
He was at least kind enough to bring the refugees back with him.
Well, after some stop-overs on Magic World and in a future that never happened.
I just thought I'd mention that the phrase "metallic, slightly-more-responsible-Deadpool" got me impulse buy the first volume just a few minutes ago.
Well, that and loving everything about the various freebie ones that were around. Should scratch the comedy itch given the amount of warning I've gotten against picking up any recent Deadpool.
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Vision is not boring!
Vision is great
remember that Wanda's actions, even though she was insane and cannot be held accountable for him, resulted in him being used to harm the Avengers (which is what Ultron originally did with him) and also then get killed.
So I would imagine that he is going through some trauma too
they are both victims
bitch: didn't get avx #0.
AvX #0 was when you got the important bit
He's still a "synthezoid" right? Which used to mean that he was an exact replica of a human, but his parts were made from synthetic materials. Thus he still had like, muscle fibers, but they were all super strong plastics and what not.
Been awhile since I was deep in the Avengers end of the pool, so no idea if that's still the case since they brought him back.
which means that he has full human capability and is not a robot
he does have organs, bones, muscles etc
it's just that they are all made of synthetic materials not organic ones
which leads to the question of isn't the difference and matter of perspective, but whatever
anyway, the Vision is great and he has cool powers and if you don't like him I am sorry but you are bad at comics
But he was really kind of a douche the way he handled what happened to the Vision and Wanda. He was pretty callous in removing the kids and totally destroying the Vision's personality, simply because he didn't like those plot lines.
It's pretty crazy that this many years later, so many of their current problems still stim from that one issue.