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    Enigma435Enigma435 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    PantsB wrote: »
    We can't bedefeated

    We're unstoppable

    O-E-O-E-O

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    fadingathedgesfadingathedges Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I will never bing. Never.

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    day9 being funny

    'I'm tasteless' brother!'

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Variable wrote: »
    so either he put a million drones on gas and didn't notice or he pulled drones away from the drop and click on the gas with them right? are there any earlier shots of that base?

    but yeah even still he's a turd

    Well he pulled them by clicking on a geyser, then cleaned up the drop with basically zero losses.

    But was distracted by the big fight; assumed all the drones hiding on top of each other at the gas were killed by the drop.

    Pretty sure they popped out of drone-drill mode next to the geyser when he quit.

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    oh he said that, my bad

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    So Artosis still doesn't understand hold position lings.

    Interesting build by Slush.

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    BiosysBiosys Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I think I've seen this build before from Slush, in some random game against some other Root dude.

    Worked really well there.

    EDIT: And worked really well here.

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    Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2011
    Why do North Americans have to keep eliminating eachother? Whatever, at least there are some left.

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Fizban140 wrote: »
    Why do North Americans have to keep elimination eachother? Whatever, at least there are some left.

    This is the only spot on the bracket left where a Korean didn't kill all the Americans, :P

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Moon seems to be in control here.

    Slush defeats Ret

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    fucking force fields. christ.

    hold on I'm just gonna kill your third for free

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

    sometimes he does look damn good. code A still right?

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    Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Moon is so much better than Grubby

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    His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Feels like the main reason Protosses were winning macro games vs Zerg was that Zergs were playing safe due to the threat of 4gate/nexus cancel 4gate/6gate/etc. Now that top Protosses are, for whatever reason (possibly partly due to the warpgate nerf) not doing those so much, Zergs are playing greedier against Protoss builds that look like macro builds. They seem to be taking much earlier thirds and pumping drones earlier, and there's just no way a 2base Protoss can keep up in macro against that.

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    FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I hear a lot of antihype for moon, but whenever I see him play he is really solid.

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Feels like the main reason Protosses were winning macro games vs Zerg was that Zergs were playing safe due to the threat of 4gate/nexus cancel 4gate/6gate/etc. Now that top Protosses are, for whatever reason (possibly partly due to the warpgate nerf) not doing those so much, Zergs are playing greedier against Protoss builds that look like macro builds. They seem to be taking much earlier thirds and pumping drones earlier, and there's just no way a 2base Protoss can keep up in macro against that.

    zerg wanted to play a 'never ever attack' game for a long time, but I think they're closer to the truth now... I remember idra saying that mules and chrono boost allowed for sick timing attacks, somehow missing that many larva popping at once does the same. seems to have changed now.

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Frozenzen wrote: »
    I hear a lot of antihype for moon, but whenever I see him play he is really solid.

    moon only plays amazingly outside of korea for some reason

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    UrQuanLord88UrQuanLord88 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Moon is so much better than Grubby

    This is unfortunately true and I hope it doesn't stay that way for long.


    Totally blame the girlfriend for that

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Feels like the main reason Protosses were winning macro games vs Zerg was that Zergs were playing safe due to the threat of 4gate/nexus cancel 4gate/6gate/etc. Now that top Protosses are, for whatever reason (possibly partly due to the warpgate nerf) not doing those so much, Zergs are playing greedier against Protoss builds that look like macro builds. They seem to be taking much earlier thirds and pumping drones earlier, and there's just no way a 2base Protoss can keep up in macro against that.

    Yeah I mean.

    I dunno what aspect of the top-tier meta game explains it.

    But these zerg are double fast expanding and making nothing but drones until about 11 minutes.

    They're being super greedy and Naniwa's the only player who I've seen attempt to punish it even a little so far.

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    FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Losira vs Slush finals I'm guessing.

    Unless Idra somehow gets over himself, then Losira vs Idra. Not seeing a toss getting past either of them considering how it has looked today, and Losira should win over MMA.

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    815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Frozenzen wrote: »
    I hear a lot of antihype for moon, but whenever I see him play he is really solid.
    He always seems to do a lot better outside of Korea for some reason.

    Idra vs Slush starting on the Tastosis stream.

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    YannYann Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Idra's gonna be pissed if MC looses this.

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    so many zergs at the top

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    His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    kedinik wrote: »
    Feels like the main reason Protosses were winning macro games vs Zerg was that Zergs were playing safe due to the threat of 4gate/nexus cancel 4gate/6gate/etc. Now that top Protosses are, for whatever reason (possibly partly due to the warpgate nerf) not doing those so much, Zergs are playing greedier against Protoss builds that look like macro builds. They seem to be taking much earlier thirds and pumping drones earlier, and there's just no way a 2base Protoss can keep up in macro against that.

    Yeah I mean.

    I dunno what aspect of the top-tier meta game explains it.

    But these zerg are double fast expanding and making nothing but drones until about 11 minutes.

    They're being super greedy and Naniwa's the only player who I've seen attempt to punish it even a little so far.
    I think it might have something to do with the rise of roach/ling all-ins. Enough top Protosses have lost to them that they may be too scared to leave their base, which lets the Zerg do whatever he wants if he chooses not to all-in. It's an interesting dynamic, as if Zergs swing much more to the greedy side we might see Protosses be less passive and start to punish these builds more.

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    BiosysBiosys Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Oh right, that's where I saw that build, Catz v Slush, Catz beat Slush with it pretty comprehensively, guess Slush decided it was a good build.

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    His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Also I saw MC research Hallucination that first game, which is great. It should be standard.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wow 3 VR

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    815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    holy defensive banelings, batman

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    that was pretty sick by mc

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    FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Rallying that void ray to the front was really smart, most times we've seen this bust succeed the VR has been on the way to the zerg base during the start, at which point you can easily just lose if they focus sentries.

    Of course, moon focused the nexus for some unfathomable reason.

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    LemmingLemming Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    kedinik wrote: »
    Feels like the main reason Protosses were winning macro games vs Zerg was that Zergs were playing safe due to the threat of 4gate/nexus cancel 4gate/6gate/etc. Now that top Protosses are, for whatever reason (possibly partly due to the warpgate nerf) not doing those so much, Zergs are playing greedier against Protoss builds that look like macro builds. They seem to be taking much earlier thirds and pumping drones earlier, and there's just no way a 2base Protoss can keep up in macro against that.

    Yeah I mean.

    I dunno what aspect of the top-tier meta game explains it.

    But these zerg are double fast expanding and making nothing but drones until about 11 minutes.

    They're being super greedy and Naniwa's the only player who I've seen attempt to punish it even a little so far.
    I think it might have something to do with the rise of roach/ling all-ins. Enough top Protosses have lost to them that they may be too scared to leave their base, which lets the Zerg do whatever he wants if he chooses not to all-in. It's an interesting dynamic, as if Zergs swing much more to the greedy side we might see Protosses be less passive and start to punish these builds more.

    The other thing is that, as long as you have good scouting, zerg "greedy" builds are actually pretty safe. Unless you get super hardcore rushed, if you make tons of drones and you see a protoss army start moving towards you, you can just shit out tons of units in one or two waves and be pretty safe, as long as you have a few spine crawlers.

    This is something I have a lot of trouble with on the ladder. If I don't pressure, I usually just get overrun after I get my natural up by shitloads of roaches. If I do pressure and commit too much, I'll lose my initial army and just get counter attacked. The trick, I think, is forcing zerg to make units but not actually attacking, which is tough to do.

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    His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    And then if you attack and the Zerg doesn't make any units IdrA says you don't understand the game. :X

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    Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2011
    Idra fucking crushed slush.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Moondragon here? MC might have trouble holding this

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    Not handled very well by Moon. Definitely could have won there.

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    MC literally snapped Moon's neck opened and drank the juices

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    His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Moon beats MC in a macro game and then does 2 badly-done all-ins and loses both. Wow. He was at 600+ minerals towards the end of that attack, and had half-a-dozen idle lings outside MC's base for ages.

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    BiosysBiosys Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    And MC takes it.

    MC v Naniwa up next, expect MC to take it. Would prefer to see Naniwa win, but eh.

    My prediction : There will be a 4gate in this series.

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    FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    amazing crisis management by MC there, and some mistakes by slush.

    Now MC vs Nani argh. No idea who to cheer for there.

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    815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Good news for Idra, he has a good chance if MC beats Naniwa.

    Then he can lose to Losira later.

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    i could see nani having some pvp tricks up his sleeve, we have seen like zero pvps so far this tourney

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