The DC Universe (Established 2011) + Sept. Solicits

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited June 2011
    But if they do reboot (some) things, I wonder if it'll be played out by having Barry "fix" the bad things that happened (Barbara getting shot, Ralph & Sue, etc) while undoing the things Zoom did to history

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    It isn't a reboot.

    Seriously, they have confirmed that Kate Kane and Jaime Reyes aren't going anywhere, I really doubt that Montoya, Empress and Cass would be targeted. Morrison is using Cass, Montoya is a pretty prominent character that will be in Batwoman and Empress is, quite frankly, too unimportant to even factor in. Her last appearance was, what, that one page in Final Crisis where she and those speedster twins find Metron's chair?

    People are freaking out like this is a reset, but from everything they have said it is just a streamlining of things. Some characters may go, but I doubt it will be anyone notable or liked. It'll be shit like Monarch or something.

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  • AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wildcat wrote: »
    And 'fixed for the sane'? Condescending much?

    Point taken. I apologize for that. I took issue with the fact that one needed to explain the super-complicated backstory of a reboot to someone. You don't. No one gritted their teeth at Smallville or Superman Returns because he wasn't married to Lois. They took what they were given. Give them some firm ground to stand on and tell good stories. You don't need to know about Ion to get Kyle Rayner now. Or know the ins and outs of Mosaic to read about John Stewart. (in fact, Mosaic is probably a detriment to the current version of the character) It happened. It's over.

    No one who watches the Young Justice cartoon shakes their head at the black Aqualad or the fact that Miss Martian is J'onn's niece. That minutiae doesn't matter. Tell the reader where they stand and move on from there.

    We're the stalwarts, ever dwindling. We get older, we have jobs, families, and we leave. DC and Marvel need churn, which is something this industry isn't built on currently. Imagine another Silver Age now. It would never happen. No Hal Jordan, no Barry Allen, no JLA. I'm not completely sure of the direction DC is taking as a number of younger and new characters may be left by the wayside, but I'm hoping they'll have a place in the new direction. But something needed to be done.

    Plus, I enjoy seeing different takes on characters. I enjoyed Man of Steel. All-Star. Earth One. Birthright. Secret Origin. It's fun seeing new spins on established characters. I don't necessarily care if in the main DCU that Lois is isn't married to Clark, as long as whoever's writing is upfront about it.

    Then again, I'm a Kamen Rider fan, and that's completely different every year.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Man, when is Young Justice getting new episodes? Your post just made me remember it.

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  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Eh? Oh right, yes. Didio's facebook page.

    So, what's the approved word? Retcon? Continuity shuffle? Happy Fun Time?

    I think I'll keep using "reboot", unless Didio figured out a way to enforce his editorial mandate on the internet.

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  • WishpigWishpig Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    It isn't a reboot aaaaaagh

    It is KINDA a reboot... somewhere between a reboot and a major clean up. They're bringing back characters, undoing histories, removing characters, changing looks... it's reboot'ish.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    but it isn't

    A reboot is something completely different

    they have said the past won't be changed completely. It is the same universe, but with some alterations.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wishpig wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    It isn't a reboot aaaaaagh

    It is KINDA a reboot... somewhere between a reboot and a major clean up. They're bringing back characters, undoing histories, removing characters, changing looks... it's reboot'ish.
    We don't know what they are doing!

    The only 100% details we have are that the costumes are redesigned, JLA's cast and the fact that some things will change and be streamlined for new audiences but the universe isn't going away

    everyone is jumping to conclusions!

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  • AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Man, when is Young Justice getting new episodes? Your post just made me remember it.

    It's complicated. Their first season is 26 episodes, and they've been renewed for a second ten episode season, but they've only aired 10 or so of the first season.

    http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=893

    I think an episode was supposed to hit June 3, but got pushed back.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wildcat wrote: »
    And 'fixed for the sane'? Condescending much?

    Point taken. I apologize for that. I took issue with the fact that one needed to explain the super-complicated backstory of a reboot to someone. You don't. No one gritted their teeth at Smallville or Superman Returns because he wasn't married to Lois. They took what they were given. Give them some firm ground to stand on and tell good stories. You don't need to know about Ion to get Kyle Rayner now. Or know the ins and outs of Mosaic to read about John Stewart. (in fact, Mosaic is probably a detriment to the current version of the character) It happened. It's over.

    I haven't read any of that and I've had no trouble reading either of those characters. I hate the mentality that if a character has been through a lot, you have to know about all of it in order to get into his current stories. No, you don't. Anytime that past stuff actually becomes very relevant they just recap or flashback it anyway. It's not this HUGE deal that some people make of it and it's a poor excuse to trample over continuity.

    If they want to give us a truly clean slate then give us a fresh continuity to go with it. Don't take an existing one and fuck it all up, screwing with the people who were following it. Marvel has a continuity that goes back to the 60s, like, twice as old as the current DC post Crisis continuity, yet it's waaaaayyyy easier to get into. Continuity and a long history isn't the problem, it's not having enough ways to ease new fans into it that hurts DC. Even something as simple as recap pages, which Marvel has and DC doesn't, makes a big difference. I got into comics in 2004 and it was a LOT easier to get into Marvel, and every time I've taken a break from comics it's been a LOT easier to catch back up with Marvel.

    If DC wants to be more accessible, fine. But there are ways of doing that that don't involve spurning the people that are already reading.

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I think LockedOnTarget has articulated some of what I'm feeling here. I don't want to give the impression that I'm against reading new takes on characters as that's certainly not the case; I think my main concern is that it isn't necessary to get rid of one version of a character, in my opinion, to clear the way for another version.

    I suppose I'd characterise this as a 'soft reboot' rather than the Crisis-style 'hard reboot' that DC had been using in the last several years; it will be interesting to see who gets their history tweaked and how. And Automaticzen, I certainly agree that the best comics are often ones that do not require a detailed knowledge of history - I'm a very big proponent of the 'every comic is someone's first comic' attitude - but if you start messing around with some of the more culturally relevant entities like Superman, you're either going to sow confusion or set yourself up for a retreat a few years down the line.

    On a lighter note, my favourite piece of commentary on the whole thing so far, from MGK - 'Geoff Johns promising me “exploring relationships” is like Woody Allen promising me gun-fu fighting in his movies'.

    Edit: I also like to imagine that in the new future Krypton was destroyed by the shockwave of displaced air created when the entire population popped their collars at the same time.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Wishpig wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    It isn't a reboot aaaaaagh

    It is KINDA a reboot... somewhere between a reboot and a major clean up. They're bringing back characters, undoing histories, removing characters, changing looks... it's reboot'ish.
    We don't know what they are doing!

    The only 100% details we have are that the costumes are redesigned, JLA's cast and the fact that some things will change and be streamlined for new audiences but the universe isn't going away

    everyone is jumping to conclusions!

    Well it is natural that people will speculate

    But yeah conclusion jumping is a thing that is going on

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Beyond Superman, the Legion and Wonder Woman, the Crisis reboot wasn't really a full "reboot" either. Most other stuff stayed in continuity, other things simply went into limbo.

    I snagged the first Green Lantern issue with Kilowog from DC's digital sale the other day. It's pretty neat, but it's set directly after the crisis as the various green lanterns are relating how it changed their lives. It's the sort of thing I am expecting. Of course, the Crisis relaunches weren't very well organized, so GL eventually relaunched as Volume 3 a few years later, but the main changes there were in a couple minis that fleshed out Hal's origin, and not in the main book itself.

    I think we are going to see some stuff get full rebooted and other things just getting new names or numbers. Still, 11 more days until solicits. I hope DC will announce something big for Flashpoint Friday this week.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wildcat wrote: »
    Edit: I also like to imagine that in the new future Krypton was destroyed by the shockwave of displaced air created when the entire population popped their collars at the same time.

    I had a good chuckle with this.

    edit: the pencils only cover to Justice League:


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    Hal did have a ring, and it looks like Superman still has the underwear drawn where the red normally goes, it's just blue now instead of a one piece bottom to the costume.

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  • RansRans Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/02/the-new-justice/

    Eleven of the 52 titles revealed

    some of them are just like what the hell

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  • RansRans Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    seriously,

    what the hell

    edit: most of the descriptions for the new titles make it sound like a complete reboot

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Could they have stacked the copy any worse in that?


    Here it is, a bit more streamlined with pictures:

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    Wonder Woman #1
    New York Times bestselling writer Brian Azzarello, author of The Joker and 100 Bullets, teams up with the immensely talented artist Cliff Chiang (Neil Young’s Greendale) for WONDER WOMAN #1, an exciting new series starring the DC Universe’s greatest superheroine. The cover to issue #1 is by Cliff Chiang.

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    AQUAMAN #1
    Geoff Johns, one of comics’ greatest storytellers, reunites with GREEN LANTERN and BRIGHTEST DAY collaborator Ivan Reis to bring you a thrilling new take on the fan-favorite hero of the sea in AQUAMAN #1. The cover to issue #1 is by Ivan Reis and Joe Prado.

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    Flash #1
    Rising superstar Francis Manapul, fresh off his acclaimed run on THE FLASH with Geoff Johns, makes his comics writing debut in THE FLASH #1, sharing both scripting and art duties with Brian Buccellato. The Flash knows he can’t be everywhere at once, but what happens when he faces an all-new villain who can? The cover to issue #1 is by Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato.

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    THE FURY OF FIRESTORM #1
    Welcome to a major new vision of the Nuclear Man as writers Ethan Van Sciver and Gail Simone team up with artist Yildiray Cinar to deliver THE FURY OF FIRESTORM #1. Jason Rusch and Ronnie Raymond are two high school students, worlds apart – and now they’re drawn into a conspiracy of super science that bonds them forever in a way they can’t explain or control. The cover to issue #1 is by Ed Benes.

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    Hawkman #1
    Batman writer Tony Daniel will team up with artist Philip Tan (GREEN LANTERN: AGENT ORANGE, THE OUTSIDERS) for THE SAVAGE HAWKMAN #1. Carter Hall’s skill at deciphering lost languages has led him to a job with an archeologist who specializes in alien ruins – but will the doctor’s latest discovery spread an alien plague through New York City? No matter the personal cost, Carter Hall must don his cowl and wings and become the new, savage Hawkman to survive. The cover to issue #1 is by Philip Tan.

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    Green Arrow #1
    Oliver Queen is an orphan who grew up to fight crime as the Green Arrow, a billionaire playboy who uses his fortune to become a superhero – able to fight the most powerful super-villains in the universe with nothing but a bow and arrow. JT Krul will write GREEN ARROW #1 with art by superstar artist Dan Jurgens. The cover to issue #1 is by Dan Jurgens and Norm Rapmund.

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    JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #1
    A team of internationally-drafted superheroes fight each other and their bureaucratic supervisors as much as they do global crime in JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #1 from writer Dan Jurgens and artist Aaron Lopresti. The cover to issue #1 is by Aaron Lopresti.

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    MISTER TERRIFIC #1

    The world’s third-smartest man – and one of its most eligible bachelors – uses his brains and fists against science gone mad in MISTER TERRIFIC #1, the new series from writer Eric Wallace and artist Roger Robinson. The cover to issue #1 is by J.G. Jones.

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    CAPTAIN ATOM #1
    Captain Atom has all the power in the world, but no hope of saving himself. Charged by nuclear energy, possessing vast molecular powers, he has the potential to be a god among men – a hero without limits. But the question is this: Will he lose himself in the process? JT Krul and artist Freddie Williams II take the character in a bold new direction in CAPTAIN ATOM #1. The cover to issue #1 is by Stanley “Artgem” Lau.

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    DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS #1
    The anthology series gets a new look in DC Universe Presents, a new series that will focus on multi-issue story arcs each featuring a different superhero from the DC Universe’s rich cast of characters, told by some of comics’ most exciting writers and artitsts. DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS #1 kicks off the first arc of the series: a Deadman story by Paul Jenkins and Bernard Chang. The cover to issue #1 is by Ryan Sook.


    It does read like a reboot, especially with the Green Arrow text.

    The only title I would pick up is JLI, because Dan Jurgens had a great but short lived JLA run and Lopresti is a good artist. A lot of the other books have a good artist (Captain Atom) but writers I could care less about.

    Three artists are now writing books, I don't like that trend. At least EVS has Simone to fall back on.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wow!

    Mr. Terrific's new costume fucking blows

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited June 2011
    fuck

    yes

    Cliff Chiang drawing a book

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  • RansRans Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I like Green Arrow's new costume. The Hawkman, GA, Firestorm, and Captain Atom descriptions all sound like complete reboots.

    I've decided I'll give any title with a Green Lantern in it a try, maybe for the first arc, so so far just JLA and JLI for me.

    edit: re: Firestorm - in Brightest Day, Ronnie had been a college student for awhile and Jason was just entering college. Looks like both are de-aged to high school.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited June 2011
    I'm doubting that article that said Brian Clevinger was going to be doing Firestorm since Gail Simone and Ethan Van Sciver have been saying they would be working on something together for a while

    it's weird that it's Firestorm, though

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Who's the girl in the black and gold on the JLI cover

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I included the pictures in the cleaned up version above, behind the spoilers in case anyone is at work.

    edit: the gold right along the visor of Booster's costume doesn't look right. It looks like Guy had nothing done to his costume though.

    edit edit: I thought Simone and EVS were working on a Plastic Man series?

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  • AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Firestorm, Green Arrow, and Hawkman sound like hard reboots. Atom and JLI could be.

    Johns is off of Flash after doing... nothing.

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  • mojojoeomojojoeo A block off the park, living the dream.Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Mr terrific and Deadman get books?

    Really?

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  • RansRans Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Furu wrote: »
    Who's the girl in the black and gold on the JLI cover

    my guess is Gypsy

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  • AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    mojojoeo wrote: »
    Mr terrific and Deadman get books?

    Really?

    Deadman is just kicking off the anthology. It sounds like after the arc we'll get a new team and character.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Just so there's a slightly more compact list of titles and creators..
    • Justice League; by Geoff Johns and Jim Lee
    • Wonder Woman; by Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang
    • Aquaman; by Geoff Johns and Ivan Reis
    • The Flash; by Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato, sharing art and writing duties
    • The Fury of Firestorm; by Ethan Van Sciver, Gail Simone, and art by Yildiray Cinar
    • The Savage Hawkman; by Tony Daniel and Philip Tan
    • Green Arrow; by JT Krul and Dan Jurgens
    • Justice League International; by Dan Jurgens and Aaron Lopresti
    • Mister Terrific; by Eric Wallace and Roger Robinson
    • Captain Atom; by JT Krul and Freddie Williams II
    • DC Universe Presents; with a rotating creative team, leading off with Paul Jenkins and Bernard Chang

    Wonder Woman could be promising, though Azzarello's never struck me as the type that writes particularly strong women. Firestorm might be good, though Van Sciver doesn't strike me as a particularly great writer, and it looks like the characters are being hit with a total reboot.

    Captain Atom and Green Arrow are written by JT Krul, and can fuck right off. Hawkman is a perfect storm of terrible. Mister Terrific is written by the guy who's currently writing Titans, so no more needs to be said about that. Justice League International is written by Dan Jurgens, who hasn't written anything decent in the last five years, at least. The Flash could go either way, though it strikes me as another book that's being given to an artist, just to keep them happy. Aquaman and Justice League are being written by Geoff Johns, so no thanks.

    I think I'm most excited by the prospect of a DC anthology title.

    edit: Oh, and Booster's costume ain't got no alibi.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Well uh

    That is certainly an eclectic group.

    I will pick up JL, JLI and Aquaman for sure.

    The fact that Brian Azzerello is writing fucking Wonder Woman of all things will get me to take a look, and since Krul hasn't been historically awful lately I'll try Captain Atom as well. I'll also give Flash shot since I have no idea how well Manapul can write and Firestorm by Simone and EVS(Mostly Simone for me) is worth a look.

    Robinson not on Hawkman and Mr. Terrific getting a solo series? What the fuck

    I was wondering where the hell Jaime was on the JLI cover but then I realized he will probably be on Teen Titans.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited June 2011
    Firestorm, Green Arrow, and Hawkman sound like hard reboots. Atom and JLI could be.

    Johns is off of Flash after doing... nothing.

    you mean other than his Wally West run, Flash Rebirth, and Flashpoint, right

    those kind of did a lot

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  • RansRans Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    a lot of nothing!!!!

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Renewed commitment to diversity = here's a fucking mr. terrific series by the guy who stuffed ryan choi into a shoebox

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited June 2011
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Robinson not on Hawkman

    This combined with pretty much everything else should be enough to get people to stop believing Bleeding Cool

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Keith wrote: »
    I'm doubting that article that said Brian Clevinger was going to be doing Firestorm since Gail Simone and Ethan Van Sciver have been saying they would be working on something together for a while
    Clevinger confirmed it himself, and then voiced his frustration at the fact that fucking around with a series doomed to never be published, put him behind on his Atomic Robo scripts.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Well that wasn't Bleeding Cool so much as Robinson himself saying it at NYCC

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited June 2011
    no i can't possibly be wrong

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Yeah, uh, Azzarello doesn't strike me as a good match for Wonder Woman but I've only read 100 Bullets so we'll see

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    JL, JLI and Aquaman for me too.

    Captain Atom is cool so I'll take a look even though Krul is writing. Gail Simone is a good writer and Firestorm interests me so I'll look at that too, and Mister Terrific might be good if it is Scott and has Barda in it.

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  • AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Keith wrote: »
    Firestorm, Green Arrow, and Hawkman sound like hard reboots. Atom and JLI could be.

    Johns is off of Flash after doing... nothing.

    you mean other than his Wally West run, Flash Rebirth, and Flashpoint, right

    those kind of did a lot

    Cameos, Work to bring him back, and Who knows. Wally's run was about Wally, Rebirth was about the Flash family as a whole and clean up, and Flashpoint is very much an ensemble piece.

    He hasn't done much with Barry as a character. He brought him back, did a single arc and then passed him off.

    Contrast with Morrison on Dick Grayson and Damian. We got a whole year for him to explore the characters and their place in the DCU, before he moved onto Inc.

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