I swear to god Tanner, when I get good at Terran i'm going to challenge you to a bo7, hype it as a crazy showmatch, then just 7rax you over and over and over
I haven't won against a 2 rax or blue flame hellions in over a month (not a single game in my 15-20/day).
Just do that.
Learn the first 6 minutes of a terran opener and auto win all day no matter how hard I fucking try.
I don't understand how there're terran players below masters league
Same goes for 4 gate
It's so fucking sad that I'm not exagerating
Good thing 50-60% of my matches are against Zerg, cause that matchup is so fucking fun
So maybe I am just getting old and paranoid, but I just spent like 30 minutes reading up on ergonomics in an effort to not die while using my computer.
Anyways I discovered that wrist rests are bad for a mouse and that basically what I do now is pretty close to good. One of the biggest tips I saw was to not use your wrist while moving the mouse. Is this even possible in SC2? I know it is quite common in FPS games, I am almost considering making the switch.
So I set up xsplit and tested it with a 500kbps 25fps 720p stream using local recording. (Speedtest gave me an upload of .6Mbps.) It looks good still, but made the single-player AI test game choppy. Not sure whether this was because of CPU or harddrive.
I also learned that my computer and microwave are on the same 15A circuit, as my girlfriend blows the fuse heating up some water for tea. Which I've told her several times is faster on the stove anyway, and takes up less power. Microwave takes 1600W input... Almost blows the fuse by itself.
EDIT: Seg, if you're on... Assume it's CPU bounding. What's the best option for reducing that? Drop resolution a step?
I swear to god Tanner, when I get good at Terran i'm going to challenge you to a bo7, hype it as a crazy showmatch, then just 7rax you over and over and over
I haven't won against a 2 rax or blue flame hellions in over a month (not a single game in my 15-20/day).
Just do that.
Learn the first 6 minutes of a terran opener and auto win all day no matter how hard I fucking try.
I don't understand how there're terran players below masters league
Same goes for 4 gate
It's so fucking sad that I'm not exagerating
Good thing 50-60% of my matches are against Zerg, cause that matchup is so fucking fun
Get that computer on a surge protected outlet (on its own?) if not a full on UPS stat.
Yea I surge-protect all my good electronics. But I'm definitely going to be looking into a UPS to smooth out the power. But even the cheap ones are like $100.
I'm still baffled that some electrician thought it was a good idea to run the master bedroom power on the same circuit as the microwave. I mean, I had suspicions that this place has questionable workmanship in some areas, but this definitely takes the cake.
Though, I think this finally convinced my gf to no longer use the microwave to heat fucking water. Small victories I suppose.
I swear to god Tanner, when I get good at Terran i'm going to challenge you to a bo7, hype it as a crazy showmatch, then just 7rax you over and over and over
I haven't won against a 2 rax or blue flame hellions in over a month (not a single game in my 15-20/day).
Just do that.
Learn the first 6 minutes of a terran opener and auto win all day no matter how hard I fucking try.
I don't understand how there're terran players below masters league
Same goes for 4 gate
It's so fucking sad that I'm not exagerating
Good thing 50-60% of my matches are against Zerg, cause that matchup is so fucking fun
I meant more as revenge for all your roach crap vs protoss :P
"Ok I don't know what they're doing. I'm sporing once per mineral line in case of banshees and going all-in with a million roaches or a baneling bust before their expo gets online."
It's the only game plan where I feel like I have any control, or where I have a less-than-high chance of just getting crushed by any one of many unscoutable all-ins.
And I'm not bitching about balance.
I'm just terrible, and it's hard, and this is the closest thing I have to an answer with my meager mechanics and meh game sense.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
So I set up xsplit and tested it with a 500kbps 25fps 720p stream using local recording. (Speedtest gave me an upload of .6Mbps.) It looks good still, but made the single-player AI test game choppy. Not sure whether this was because of CPU or harddrive.
it'll be your CPU. The stream itself being smooth is dependent on your internet connection, but your CPU is obviously trying to stream and render SC2 as well, and SC2 is a pretty CPU intensive game moreso than GPU intensive, so its going to be bottlenecking you somewhat.
This is why I hopefully will be able to stream in higher quality and more consistently once I get my new PC this weekend, as its an i5 2500k system, which is a pretty substantial upgrade over a Core 2 Duo.
So I set up xsplit and tested it with a 500kbps 25fps 720p stream using local recording. (Speedtest gave me an upload of .6Mbps.) It looks good still, but made the single-player AI test game choppy. Not sure whether this was because of CPU or harddrive.
it'll be your CPU. The stream itself being smooth is dependent on your internet connection, but your CPU is obviously trying to stream and render SC2 as well, and SC2 is a pretty CPU intensive game moreso than GPU intensive, so its going to be bottlenecking you somewhat.
This is why I hopefully will be able to stream in higher quality and more consistently once I get my new PC this weekend, as its an i5 2500k system, which is a pretty substantial upgrade over a Core 2 Duo.
I have a Core 2 Duo at 3GHz... Should I just give up now then?
So I set up xsplit and tested it with a 500kbps 25fps 720p stream using local recording. (Speedtest gave me an upload of .6Mbps.) It looks good still, but made the single-player AI test game choppy. Not sure whether this was because of CPU or harddrive.
it'll be your CPU. The stream itself being smooth is dependent on your internet connection, but your CPU is obviously trying to stream and render SC2 as well, and SC2 is a pretty CPU intensive game moreso than GPU intensive, so its going to be bottlenecking you somewhat.
This is why I hopefully will be able to stream in higher quality and more consistently once I get my new PC this weekend, as its an i5 2500k system, which is a pretty substantial upgrade over a Core 2 Duo.
It's definitely your CPU limiting it. You likely can't upstream 720 at that fps anyway with your bandwidth and cpu so turn that down.
You wont really know how well your stream is going to look using local recording. You'll need to actually stream somewhere to see how that low upload plays in. I use a lot more than 500kbit when streaming 720p so it'll be likely you'll have to tone down the quality a bit. Also the reliability of your upstream is pretty important so you wont really know what you can actually do until you're actually up and doing it. Anyone can get a free account at any of the major streaming sites and give it a test.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
I did, but you don't have to. It was nearly impossible for me to find a stream quality setting that didn't cause at least some noticeable stuttering ingame. Not huge, but given that I'd only be streaming to 2-3 people at once on a good day, I deemed the increased difficulty to play well to not be worth it and gave up.
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edited June 2011
Dhal getting a new computer does indeed forebode the end times.
Tanner that was a pretty funny replay. I'm kind of miffed as to why he didn't forcefield at all though. Not even once. With his first two sentries I mean.
Tanner, I'd love for you to share some of your replays from these ZvT (or heck any matchup) games with us around here. I know it sucks to show stuff when you're stuggling sometimes, but I'm working on making the next hop up from diamond to masters this season and it'd be cool to see what some of our more active zerg masters players are running into/struggling against while I'm working my way up. Or hop on mumble sometime and tell us how awful we diamond zergs are while we're streaming sometime.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
if you have the disposable income, i can strongly recommend some sort of coaching for the next step up from diamond to masters, if you feel you can't make it using self-learning. some people don't learn as easily in an unstructured environment like SC2, and coaching definitely got me over the hump from Diamond to Masters as Protoss.
I would try a stream out right now, except that my computer is about 35% of the way through verifying my RAID. Don't feel like testing with that external factor thrown in.
And I have the local recording settings set to the same as the Justin.TV settings. I figured that would at least let me see what the video would look like. Is there other voodoo at work here?
I should probably actually get some streaming software and see if I can play without lagging.
I know xsplit is going to be pay for use soon, what else would people recommend? I think I gave flash media encoder a go while I was toying with ustream. But I remember that involving quicktime, I might've just needed quicktime for something else around that time. However that might've been ustream producer requiring it.
I will set up a justin.tv. So what do people think for streaming software?
I would try a stream out right now, except that my computer is about 35% of the way through verifying my RAID. Don't feel like testing with that external factor thrown in.
And I have the local recording settings set to the same as the Justin.TV settings. I figured that would at least let me see what the video would look like. Is there other voodoo at work here?
That shows what it looks like if it could be encoded and uploaded at the settings you have, but it isn't testing half of the 2 critical factors. You really need to actually upload to test that your bandwidth is sufficient.
I would try a stream out right now, except that my computer is about 35% of the way through verifying my RAID. Don't feel like testing with that external factor thrown in.
And I have the local recording settings set to the same as the Justin.TV settings. I figured that would at least let me see what the video would look like. Is there other voodoo at work here?
That shows what it looks like if it could be encoded and uploaded at the settings you have, but it isn't testing half of the 2 critical factors. You really need to actually upload to test that your bandwidth is sufficient.
It's still nice to be able to test offline to make sure that your settings are even worth trying to stream at.
if you have the disposable income, i can strongly recommend some sort of coaching for the next step up from diamond to masters, if you feel you can't make it using self-learning. some people don't learn as easily in an unstructured environment like SC2, and coaching definitely got me over the hump from Diamond to Masters as Protoss.
i'll say this, if you approach the right people here, PA has a little coaching ring all setup.
just gotta find someone you click with, and deliberate practice techniques that work for you.
Dhal,
If you want to BFH or 2gate me all day, i could use it.
God damn, microing phoenixes (phoenices? phoenici?) is...hard. Or, well, at my level (bad). I don't have the click control to accurately and quickly lift workers effectively. Like, not even close.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
God damn, microing phoenixes (phoenices? phoenici?) is...hard. Or, well, at my level (bad). I don't have the click control to accurately and quickly lift workers effectively. Like, not even close.
we had a discussion about that a thread or two ago. phoenices and phoenixes are both grammatically correct but phoenixes is more modern
also, make sure you have mouse acceleration turned off, because it is just simply impossible to be as accurate as you can be, until you turn acceleration off
I mean I'd pay for xsplit if I was using it regularly and knew I had the bandwidth to support a quality stream.
But I don't feel paying for something to toy with is great option.
Get that computer on a surge protected outlet (on its own?) if not a full on UPS stat.
Yea I surge-protect all my good electronics. But I'm definitely going to be looking into a UPS to smooth out the power. But even the cheap ones are like $100.
I'm still baffled that some electrician thought it was a good idea to run the master bedroom power on the same circuit as the microwave. I mean, I had suspicions that this place has questionable workmanship in some areas, but this definitely takes the cake.
Though, I think this finally convinced my gf to no longer use the microwave to heat fucking water. Small victories I suppose.
Dude, I've got knob-and-tube wire that i'm still replacing.
"Ok I don't know what they're doing. I'm sporing once per mineral line in case of banshees and going all-in with a million roaches or a baneling bust before their expo gets online."
It's the only game plan where I feel like I have any control, or where I have a less-than-high chance of just getting crushed by any one of many unscoutable all-ins.
And I'm not bitching about balance.
I'm just terrible, and it's hard, and this is the closest thing I have to an answer with my meager mechanics and meh game sense.
The best part about SC2 is no matter how good you are, you are still terrible.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
"Ok I don't know what they're doing. I'm sporing once per mineral line in case of banshees and going all-in with a million roaches or a baneling bust before their expo gets online."
It's the only game plan where I feel like I have any control, or where I have a less-than-high chance of just getting crushed by any one of many unscoutable all-ins.
And I'm not bitching about balance.
I'm just terrible, and it's hard, and this is the closest thing I have to an answer with my meager mechanics and meh game sense.
The best part about SC2 is no matter how good you are, you are still terrible.
And every loss just reinforces that over and over and over
I rarely have a loss where I think "yep, I played as well as I am capable of playing, and still lost because he outplayed me"
I pretty much always lose to doing something stupid.
Like overestimating a 2marine2marauder poke when going for a very fast Nexus, cancelling the Nexus then realising my warpgate had been about to finish and I had four gateways coming online.
Hahah. I just played a 4v4 and used dark templars. All I would do is send them to each of the opponents mineral line. Then I played another and lost to a cannon rush:(. I'm gonna try doing more DT attacks at opponents mineral lines and hope I don't get rushed since I'm weak in the beginning.
And thus, another protoss son of a bitch was born.
Those aren't so bad. If it's just something dumb, you can point to it and say "that was retarded, I'll try not to do it next time."
It's way worse when it's just "wow, I just got destroyed and it wasn't even close."
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
So the other week I played a few 4v4s, and a couple 2v2s with a friend.
I know i always say I hate them, and I gotta say...
i was right. what was i thinking. what a waste of time that could have been 5 productive 1v1s. Ugh. My random teammates were not terrible, but it was still not very fun. And while it was fun playing with a friend, we would have had more fun doing 1v1s against each other than 2v2s together. Nothing but rushes and stupid things. Our opponents without fail either crushed us with some sort of timed combined all-in, or were completely terrible at this game beyond any shred of belief.
That's the type of thing that tells me if I'm playing OK that session or not. I can either be focused and give a reasonable effort to hold it off (or go, yep that's exactly what I wanted you to do in this case) or tilt and have no plan.
God damn, microing phoenixes (phoenices? phoenici?) is...hard. Or, well, at my level (bad). I don't have the click control to accurately and quickly lift workers effectively. Like, not even close.
we had a discussion about that a thread or two ago. phoenices and phoenixes are both grammatically correct but phoenixes is more modern
also, make sure you have mouse acceleration turned off, because it is just simply impossible to be as accurate as you can be, until you turn acceleration off
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man, what
post some replays or something
Anyways I discovered that wrist rests are bad for a mouse and that basically what I do now is pretty close to good. One of the biggest tips I saw was to not use your wrist while moving the mouse. Is this even possible in SC2? I know it is quite common in FPS games, I am almost considering making the switch.
I also learned that my computer and microwave are on the same 15A circuit, as my girlfriend blows the fuse heating up some water for tea. Which I've told her several times is faster on the stove anyway, and takes up less power. Microwave takes 1600W input... Almost blows the fuse by itself.
EDIT: Seg, if you're on... Assume it's CPU bounding. What's the best option for reducing that? Drop resolution a step?
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Let me know you are from PA, otherwise I will likely ignore you.
My 2rax, 5marine/1hellion, bf openers, and banshee builds NEVER work out, and I could maybe point you in the right direction.
Most I can do is damage them so we are even footed in the mid game.
Yea I surge-protect all my good electronics. But I'm definitely going to be looking into a UPS to smooth out the power. But even the cheap ones are like $100.
I'm still baffled that some electrician thought it was a good idea to run the master bedroom power on the same circuit as the microwave. I mean, I had suspicions that this place has questionable workmanship in some areas, but this definitely takes the cake.
Though, I think this finally convinced my gf to no longer use the microwave to heat fucking water. Small victories I suppose.
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Let me know you are from PA, otherwise I will likely ignore you.
I meant more as revenge for all your roach crap vs protoss :P
I get so happy when the lights dim in a brown out for a second or so and my computer and intertrons keep on chuggin'.
I just say to myself:
"Ok I don't know what they're doing. I'm sporing once per mineral line in case of banshees and going all-in with a million roaches or a baneling bust before their expo gets online."
It's the only game plan where I feel like I have any control, or where I have a less-than-high chance of just getting crushed by any one of many unscoutable all-ins.
And I'm not bitching about balance.
I'm just terrible, and it's hard, and this is the closest thing I have to an answer with my meager mechanics and meh game sense.
it'll be your CPU. The stream itself being smooth is dependent on your internet connection, but your CPU is obviously trying to stream and render SC2 as well, and SC2 is a pretty CPU intensive game moreso than GPU intensive, so its going to be bottlenecking you somewhat.
This is why I hopefully will be able to stream in higher quality and more consistently once I get my new PC this weekend, as its an i5 2500k system, which is a pretty substantial upgrade over a Core 2 Duo.
I have a Core 2 Duo at 3GHz... Should I just give up now then?
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Let me know you are from PA, otherwise I will likely ignore you.
It's definitely your CPU limiting it. You likely can't upstream 720 at that fps anyway with your bandwidth and cpu so turn that down.
You wont really know how well your stream is going to look using local recording. You'll need to actually stream somewhere to see how that low upload plays in. I use a lot more than 500kbit when streaming 720p so it'll be likely you'll have to tone down the quality a bit. Also the reliability of your upstream is pretty important so you wont really know what you can actually do until you're actually up and doing it. Anyone can get a free account at any of the major streaming sites and give it a test.
And I have the local recording settings set to the same as the Justin.TV settings. I figured that would at least let me see what the video would look like. Is there other voodoo at work here?
SC2: KillerCodeMk | LoL: KillerCodeMonky | FFXIV: Shea Demvas (Sargantas)
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Let me know you are from PA, otherwise I will likely ignore you.
I know xsplit is going to be pay for use soon, what else would people recommend? I think I gave flash media encoder a go while I was toying with ustream. But I remember that involving quicktime, I might've just needed quicktime for something else around that time. However that might've been ustream producer requiring it.
I will set up a justin.tv. So what do people think for streaming software?
That shows what it looks like if it could be encoded and uploaded at the settings you have, but it isn't testing half of the 2 critical factors. You really need to actually upload to test that your bandwidth is sufficient.
It's still nice to be able to test offline to make sure that your settings are even worth trying to stream at.
SC2: KillerCodeMk | LoL: KillerCodeMonky | FFXIV: Shea Demvas (Sargantas)
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Let me know you are from PA, otherwise I will likely ignore you.
i'll say this, if you approach the right people here, PA has a little coaching ring all setup.
just gotta find someone you click with, and deliberate practice techniques that work for you.
Dhal,
If you want to BFH or 2gate me all day, i could use it.
Joe's Stream.
we had a discussion about that a thread or two ago. phoenices and phoenixes are both grammatically correct but phoenixes is more modern
as for the mouse control issue, try practising this
http://www.missionred.com/games/reflex.html
also, make sure you have mouse acceleration turned off, because it is just simply impossible to be as accurate as you can be, until you turn acceleration off
But I don't feel paying for something to toy with is great option.
apparently bnet has decided that i'm not to play right now. dunno, the intertubes are working just fine...
all hail bnet 2.0
sorry. i know y'all wanted to see me fried by crisp.
Joe's Stream.
Dude, I've got knob-and-tube wire that i'm still replacing.
KNOB AND TUBE.
on edit:
>but this definitely takes the cake.
The cake, is a lie.
Joe's Stream.
*breaks bottle of Cristal*
This would almost certainly violate the terms of service.
The best part about SC2 is no matter how good you are, you are still terrible.
And every loss just reinforces that over and over and over
I rarely have a loss where I think "yep, I played as well as I am capable of playing, and still lost because he outplayed me"
I pretty much always lose to doing something stupid.
Like overestimating a 2marine2marauder poke when going for a very fast Nexus, cancelling the Nexus then realising my warpgate had been about to finish and I had four gateways coming online.
And thus, another protoss son of a bitch was born.
It's way worse when it's just "wow, I just got destroyed and it wasn't even close."
I know i always say I hate them, and I gotta say...
i was right. what was i thinking. what a waste of time that could have been 5 productive 1v1s. Ugh. My random teammates were not terrible, but it was still not very fun. And while it was fun playing with a friend, we would have had more fun doing 1v1s against each other than 2v2s together. Nothing but rushes and stupid things. Our opponents without fail either crushed us with some sort of timed combined all-in, or were completely terrible at this game beyond any shred of belief.
"Hmm. I should probably have gotten detection."
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
But Phoenicians is more awesome.
Phoenicians and zedlots, all day.
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