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Installing Win 7 - 32bit or 64bit

hamdingershamdingers Registered User regular
edited June 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
Wife's PC was root-kitted - long story short I decided the easiest way forward is to slap a new HD in there and go to Win 7 (currently Vista - ugh)

Specs: AMD Athlon 64 (2.60Ghz), 2 GB RAM

Looking for advice on which version of Win7 I should be putting on the HD.

Thanks!

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  • WildEEPWildEEP Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I would recommend the 64-bit.

    This is probably going to be the last 32-bit version of windows - you might as well adopt the standard now.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Either or would work fine, though, if you're at an Athlon 64 you may want to stick with 32bit as I'm guessing the rest of the hardware probably doesn't have 64 bit drivers if it's as old as that processor (almost a decade old)

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Just install the 32 bit version, unless she works with scientific applications or Video encoding, there is no use for 64 bit for a home user.

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    unless you want to use more than 4 gig of ram you don't "need" 64 bit.

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  • FatsFats Corvallis, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    64 is more secure, though bowen does have a point about old hardware and driver compatibility.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I've got 64 bit on my core2duo laptop and 32 bit on my old frankenstein machine with a P4 w/o hyperthreading and 4 gigs of ram.

    Both work exceptionally well. I've noticed a few driver problems with the 64 bit version (or did when it was first released) but these days almost everything works fine, or will if you use compatibility mode with older hardware/software.

    Honestly on that machine I'd just run the 32 bit. I've got no basis for it, but I think it would be a little faster.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Fats wrote: »
    64 is more secure, though bowen does have a point about old hardware and driver compatibility.

    There is in fact less protection with the 64bit architecture, the only advantage would be from encryption, but we need to wait till vendors start writting applications for 64bit.

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wow, lots of misinformation here...

    The only real difference between 32 and 64 bit Windows is that 32-bit can only see 3.2 GB. The bad thing about 64-bit is that you lose 16-bit app support, and you have to use 64 bit drivers on your system.

    The 3.2 GB memory issue is probably the biggest problem. Most systems are coming out with 4-6 starting. You are going to get into a memory pinch real quick. Oh, and you guys running 32 bit and the system is reporting 4GB in your system or higher, it's lying. 32 bit can only see 3.2GB (The other 800MB is reserved for hardware, which has priority, meaning, of you put in a 1GB graphics card, you just "ate" 200MB of memory and now you only have 3GB left over)

    If you have in windows 3.1 programs around, they won't work in win64, but if you have some 3.1 apps, upgrading our computer is the least of your problems.

    The driver issue hasn't really been a problem for a few years now. Anything made nowadays has both 32 and 64 bit drivers for it. If you have that crufty Deskjet 660 from 1996 with the parallel port, or that TWAIN flatbed scanner with the goofy pop-up usb driver, just throw that crap away. Multi-function printers are selling for less than $80 now.

    Go to 64-bit, seriously, no reason to hobble your computer from the get-go.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2011
    Eh, with only two gigs in there and the older hardware, I'd suggest sticking with 32bit. If I recall correctly, 64bit requires more memory anyway.

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  • FatsFats Corvallis, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Fantasma wrote: »
    Fats wrote: »
    64 is more secure, though bowen does have a point about old hardware and driver compatibility.

    There is in fact less protection with the 64bit architecture, the only advantage would be from encryption, but we need to wait till vendors start writting applications for 64bit.

    Not inherently, but 64-bit Win7 runs things like Patchguard that the 32-bit version doesn't. Now, whether things like Patchguard are effective, I don't know.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    If you run a lot of old stuff then 32 bit. Even W7's super nice compatability stuff sometimes cant crack old 32bit stuff under 64 bit arch.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    The real answer is that it does not matter.

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    it does matter, with the specs posted, the machine will suffer under the 64 bit framework.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Pailryder wrote: »
    it does matter, with the specs posted, the machine will suffer under the 64 bit framework.

    No it won't. Machines cannot suffer, because they do not have souls. But mostly it won't suffer because there is no performance hit for running 64 bit Windows in any scenario. There are only performance gains to be had.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2011
    Except for the larger memory requirements.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    A 64 bit OS does not require more memory.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2011
  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    64 bit programs do, almost by definition, take more memory. It's not always enough to spit at, but ... you know ... you know what bits are right?

    Your RAM has them. It stores stuff in them. If certain classes of numbers take twice as many bits... you get the idea.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Jasconius wrote: »
    64 bit programs do, almost by definition, take more memory. It's not always enough to spit at, but ... you know ... you know what bits are right?

    Your RAM has them. It stores stuff in them. If certain classes of numbers take twice as many bits... you get the idea.

    Fine, install 32 bit. Like I said, it doesn't matter.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2011
    Well, it does matter if he wants to get the maximum performance out of his machine.

    Why are you taking this so damn personally?

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I think you're reading emotions into my posts that aren't actually present. The machine is going to perform identically whether Win 7 32 or Win 7 64 is installed, because the only time there's a performance difference is when you want to access more RAM than the system has.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    halkun wrote: »
    The driver issue hasn't really been a problem for a few years now. Anything made nowadays has both 32 and 64 bit drivers for it. If you have that crufty Deskjet 660 from 1996 with the parallel port, or that TWAIN flatbed scanner with the goofy pop-up usb driver, just throw that crap away. Multi-function printers are selling for less than $80 now.

    Go to 64-bit, seriously, no reason to hobble your computer from the get-go.

    You're missing the point.

    That hardware is likely almost a decade old. Driver compatibility for it is either shit, or doesn't exist anymore. They didn't really go back and add 64 bit compatibility to older hardware, especially when 64 bit windows was just emerging on the market.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I haven't bought a retail copy of Windows in forever, but does it not permit the installation of either 32 or 64 bit? If so I'd install 32 bit version on this particular hardware. If not I'd buy the 64 bit (only?) version as I'm dropping 2 bills on the OS and would like to use it when I upgrade the machine, which would presumably have more than 4GB RAM.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Win7 keys are interchangeable between 32 and 64 bit*. You just have to stay within the same edition as the key.

    *Some OEM copies might break this rule and require a certain architecture. System builder copies bought off newegg or whatever will not, though.

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