What sort of nerfs are we talking about? The Drake is probably one of the most cost-effective ships if nothing else, so I can see justification in bringing it down, even if I would rather they didn't do that.
Yes.. what kind of nerfs.. I've never used a Drake, but was thinking about maybe moving into as my go to ship but don't want to "waste" training time if its getting nerfed heavily.
Having read a bit on their plans for changes to the progression of ship command skills, I think I'm going to finish training up BC V and then get all the racial cruisers to III, just in case.
If it's the change to ship skills, that'll just mean it'll take a bit longer to train into a Drake, I wouldn't really call that a nerf. From what I've read I kind of like the proposed changes.
they are nerfing the drake? i must have missed this somewhere.
IIRC, the proposed Drake "nerf" was actually a considerable Drake buff. Well, I suppose it was a nerf for people who get their jollies from a stationary brick tank, but a significant buff for people who want to fly their ship and kill things with it.
The bawwing of the empire missionbears was particularly tedious, because the proposed NewDrake would have been easily capable of doing any level 4 mission, and faster than the current version.
Yeah, the proposal was to replace the shield resist bonus with missile RoF. This would reduce the number of roles it can do (not as good for missions), but it would still be solid and versatile in group pvp. And it would be hilarious to watch drake fleets shit out absurd numbers of missiles.
Having read a bit on their plans for changes to the progression of ship command skills, I think I'm going to finish training up BC V and then get all the racial cruisers to III, just in case.
Having read a bit on their plans for changes to the progression of ship command skills, I think I'm going to finish training up BC V and then get all the racial cruisers to III, just in case.
What are these changes?
Basically they're shoving destroyers and battle cruisers into the standard ship training path.
Generic Destroyers and Battle Cruiser skills replaced by racial versions, BC IV required for Battleships, destroyers IV required for cruisers, BS IV required for caps.
Having read a bit on their plans for changes to the progression of ship command skills, I think I'm going to finish training up BC V and then get all the racial cruisers to III, just in case.
What are these changes?
Basically they're shoving destroyers and battle cruisers into the standard ship training path.
Generic Destroyers and Battle Cruiser skills replaced by racial versions, BC IV required for Battleships, destroyers IV required for cruisers, BS IV required for caps.
So... What about those of us who never bothered with destroyers at all? And also, what about those of us with BC V, do we need to train up a bunch of other racial BC skills to V now?
Having read a bit on their plans for changes to the progression of ship command skills, I think I'm going to finish training up BC V and then get all the racial cruisers to III, just in case.
What are these changes?
Basically they're shoving destroyers and battle cruisers into the standard ship training path.
Generic Destroyers and Battle Cruiser skills replaced by racial versions, BC IV required for Battleships, destroyers IV required for cruisers, BS IV required for caps.
So... What about those of us who never bothered with destroyers at all? And also, what about those of us with BC V, do we need to train up a bunch of other racial BC skills to V now?
What Ytterbium said was, as I understand it, that you'll be able to fly any ship you can fly now. What you should do is start training up the racial cruiser skills. Racial Cruiser 5 + BC 5 = Racial BC 5 after the change. Plus all the other delightful benefits of Cruiser V (T2 Cruisers own).
Likewise, if you want to fly all Interdictors after the change, make sure all your Racial Frigate skills are at 5, and you'll get all your Racial Destroyer skills at 5. (Plus T2 Frigate own as well)
The way I read it is that if you have all the racial cruiser skills (which will require racial destroyer to IV), they will have to give you all the racial destroyer skills to IV because otherwise you wouldn't be able to fly the cruisers you have already trained for. Additionally, if you have destroyer to V, you would get all racial destroyers to V if you had sufficient frigate skill to fly all the destroyers. Similarly for battlecruisers, if you have BC V, and all the racial cruiser skills to III, you should be handed all racial BC V and all racial cruiser IV. In that way, you would not lose the ability to fly any ship you already had, and also get a pile of free SP.
If they changed the Drake bonus to +RoF instead of +resist, that would be fine by me. I agree with the sentiment that it would make the ship better, because the biggest drawback to the Drake is the relatively poor DPS (at least with my mediocre missile skills, because I've been more focused on logistics than combat).
I'm pretty sure the CCP guy said that if you have BC V now, you'll get all racial BCs to V. Nothing was said about a cruiser or frigate skill requirement. Though some of what you're saying about the other frig/cruiser skills makes sense, so if there was a direct quote about that I'd like to see it.
Edit: Check my post below, a more recent CCP comment made this info incorrect.
I have no direct quote, but simply giving everybody all the racial cruiser skills to IV if they have any levels of battlecruiser would be even sillier than just making sure everybody can fly every ship they could before. All they have said for certain is that you will be able to fly everything you could before the change, so that is what I am basing my conjecture off of. It's entirely possible that I am wrong, and if so I'll have wasted a bit of training time, which is fine by me because I'd rather cover my bases and be sure of getting smacked over the head with a pile of skill points than risk missing out.
We may just bluntly give all four variants at V if you had battlecruiser V for example, or maybe require that you also add the relevant Cruiser skill trained at level 3 to be eligible.
So they haven't decided yet, and you may require other skills, but you will definitely, in some way, be able to go from BC V to all racial BC V.
Thanks for that link. I'm still going to train up all the racial cruisers to 3 I think, just in case. It's not like it takes much time to get cruiser 3 anyway.
-edit- Also training up the racial cruiser skills should also get me the racial destroyer skill at 4 since that will be a pre-requisite in the new system, right?
So I am popping into this game again to see whats new. Used to be part of Merch 2 years back. Would it be possible to get back in? I am not sure where my person is right now.
If they changed the Drake bonus to +RoF instead of +resist, that would be fine by me. I agree with the sentiment that it would make the ship better, because the biggest drawback to the Drake is the relatively poor DPS (at least with my mediocre missile skills, because I've been more focused on logistics than combat).
Heavy Assault Missile NewDrakes would be absolutely brutal. 650 DPS @30Km with faction ammo... new welpfleet fit is go.
One way of catching up is NEVER quitting. This works because bitter vets quit alllll the time.
Like me.
I thought it was part of the full and rich EvE tradition to continually start, rave about the game, rage-quit/boredom-quit, bitch about the game, see a new trailer, get itchy-fingers, re-sub, rave about the game, rage-quit/boredom-quit, bitch about the game, see a new trailer....etc etc.
Argh, the official forums are currently showing up as offline for me so I can't read the thread. Is this further nerfing above and beyond what they did a while back? Because there was plenty of complaining about that, and it was pretty awesome.
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The tears have apparently caused a short in the forum servers.
Daaaaannng... max targets 3, scan res 5? I am so glad I wasn't planning on training for Titans, since now the only things they can shoot effectively are what, Dreads and larger?
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There's a reason that every country in the world stopped using Battleships.
Daaaaannng... max targets 3, scan res 5? I am so glad I wasn't planning on training for Titans, since now the only things they can shoot effectively are what, Dreads and larger?
Which is precisely as it should be. A Titan is still way more powerful than a Dreanaught (likewise a supercarrier than a carrier) - in fact the delta is still much bigger than that between, say, a T1 cruiser and a T2 cruiser.
They're just not overwhelmingly ridiculously overpowered vs everything that isn't a supercap now. The game will be all the better for it.
Man I can't wait until the eve-o forums come back up. The tear-harvest from this is going to be amazing.
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It's been up for a while. Let me summarize it for you, "Fuck goons."
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If I train up a 10 hour hero on an alt will my main resume training automatically when the alt's skill queue empties or do I have to manage that manually?
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IIRC, the proposed Drake "nerf" was actually a considerable Drake buff. Well, I suppose it was a nerf for people who get their jollies from a stationary brick tank, but a significant buff for people who want to fly their ship and kill things with it.
The bawwing of the empire missionbears was particularly tedious, because the proposed NewDrake would have been easily capable of doing any level 4 mission, and faster than the current version.
What are these changes?
Basically they're shoving destroyers and battle cruisers into the standard ship training path.
Generic Destroyers and Battle Cruiser skills replaced by racial versions, BC IV required for Battleships, destroyers IV required for cruisers, BS IV required for caps.
So Frig > Destroyer > Cruiser > Battle Cruiser > Battleship > Caps
So... What about those of us who never bothered with destroyers at all? And also, what about those of us with BC V, do we need to train up a bunch of other racial BC skills to V now?
You get a whole new set of ships to play with, with little to no training required?
Interesting.
I think I will be training destroyers after Gallente Industrials V.
What Ytterbium said was, as I understand it, that you'll be able to fly any ship you can fly now. What you should do is start training up the racial cruiser skills. Racial Cruiser 5 + BC 5 = Racial BC 5 after the change. Plus all the other delightful benefits of Cruiser V (T2 Cruisers own).
Likewise, if you want to fly all Interdictors after the change, make sure all your Racial Frigate skills are at 5, and you'll get all your Racial Destroyer skills at 5. (Plus T2 Frigate own as well)
If they changed the Drake bonus to +RoF instead of +resist, that would be fine by me. I agree with the sentiment that it would make the ship better, because the biggest drawback to the Drake is the relatively poor DPS (at least with my mediocre missile skills, because I've been more focused on logistics than combat).
Edit: Check my post below, a more recent CCP comment made this info incorrect.
So they haven't decided yet, and you may require other skills, but you will definitely, in some way, be able to go from BC V to all racial BC V.
-edit- Also training up the racial cruiser skills should also get me the racial destroyer skill at 4 since that will be a pre-requisite in the new system, right?
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Heavy Assault Missile NewDrakes would be absolutely brutal. 650 DPS @30Km with faction ammo... new welpfleet fit is go.
Gotta get destroyers and BC V on my main, then it's back to winning eve until midsummer.
I thought it was part of the full and rich EvE tradition to continually start, rave about the game, rage-quit/boredom-quit, bitch about the game, see a new trailer, get itchy-fingers, re-sub, rave about the game, rage-quit/boredom-quit, bitch about the game, see a new trailer....etc etc.
<--- currently at the "get itchy fingers" stage.
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Which is precisely as it should be. A Titan is still way more powerful than a Dreanaught (likewise a supercarrier than a carrier) - in fact the delta is still much bigger than that between, say, a T1 cruiser and a T2 cruiser.
They're just not overwhelmingly ridiculously overpowered vs everything that isn't a supercap now. The game will be all the better for it.
Man I can't wait until the eve-o forums come back up. The tear-harvest from this is going to be amazing.
I'm going to need some bigger teartanks.
The EveO forums are always "Fuck goons".
I think most of that is because Mittens is CSM.