MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
edited June 2011
I was actually looking forward to Dust 514, too.
The newsletter goes on to discuss revenue plans for upcoming PlayStation 3-exclusive shooter Dust 514.
"With no subscriptions in Dust, we have to be careful about selling permanent awesomeness, as there's a danger of saturating the market. When everyone has everything, there's no reason to buy anything anymore. Concepts such as planned obsolescence and perceived obsolescence thus play a key role (obsolescence referring to the deliberate shortening of a product's lifespan)."
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The newsletter goes on to discuss revenue plans for upcoming PlayStation 3-exclusive shooter Dust 514.
"With no subscriptions in Dust, we have to be careful about selling permanent awesomeness, as there's a danger of saturating the market. When everyone has everything, there's no reason to buy anything anymore. Concepts such as planned obsolescence and perceived obsolescence thus play a key role (obsolescence referring to the deliberate shortening of a product's lifespan)."
That was probably going to be one of the only shooters I'd buy on a console
I guess we'll see what happens but that doesn't sound promising
Well, if they're going to cost it like their vanity items, you'll have to buy the 60 dollar game, and then buy a 60 dollar cash shop item to be effective in combat.
And I don't know if there's even a subscription necessary for that game.
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Well, if they're going to cost it like their vanity items, you'll have to buy the 60 dollar game, and then buy a 60 dollar cash shop item to be effective in combat.
And I don't know if there's even a subscription necessary for that game.
Well, if they're going to cost it like their vanity items, you'll have to buy the 60 dollar game, and then buy a 60 dollar cash shop item to be effective in combat.
And I don't know if there's even a subscription necessary for that game.
Nah, you get the gun for free
They sell you the bullets for real money instead
Hah, actually this is why I don't really make any effort to getting people together for paintball anymore
Aren't the Eve items vanity items? What's the problem then?
I believe the rioting is more over the leaked internal document, and the fact that implementing the vanity items and tertiary currency caused the entire in-game economy to go batshit crazy.
What happened to the game economy? Did the game previously offer vanity items through ingame currency or something?
They didn't have vanity items before.
Basically, before they had two forms of currency, Isk and PLEX
ISK is the standard in-game currency
PLEX is basically a secondary currency used to buy game time
You can buy PLEX using ISK, and there are people who for years now have sustained their account purely through in-game currency
So now they add in a third currency, Aurum, which can be purchased using PLEX
So now the game suddenly has added in a third form of currency which comprises an absolutely monstrous money sink, which in turn drives the cost of PLEX up, which basically turned the entire game on its head
So if I understand this right, the third currency/vanity items has made it harder/impossible for people to sustain their account without paying real-world money.
Yeah, I can see why people would get pissed over that.
The newsletter goes on to discuss revenue plans for upcoming PlayStation 3-exclusive shooter Dust 514.
"With no subscriptions in Dust, we have to be careful about selling permanent awesomeness, as there's a danger of saturating the market. When everyone has everything, there's no reason to buy anything anymore. Concepts such as planned obsolescence and perceived obsolescence thus play a key role (obsolescence referring to the deliberate shortening of a product's lifespan)."
Would releasing on a console and not on PC count as that? Because when I heard they were making Dust be console exclusive, I thought it was a little weird due to EVE being older than any of the current consoles.
Partially because it looks good but primarily because I don't even own my own Wii and if it does get a US release preordering this might actually get me off my ass to pick up a Wii for myself :P
Partially because it looks good but primarily because I don't even own my own Wii and if it does get a US release preordering this might actually get me off my ass to pick up a Wii for myself :P
It would also mean RIP sales, RIP reasonable prices. 69.99€ two years after release, no thanks.
SD cards, though. I could get behind that.
Not to mention RIP second-hand markets, and RIP games should anything happen to the distribution servers, though it's not like major gaming corporations are the target of hackers...oh wait.
Yeah, no thanks. Besides, wouldn't download only require even larger hard drives for a library of any quality?
Delete and redownload. And all those things about second-hand markets etc vanishing would be a plus from the perspective of MS, Sony, etc.
Considering my very positive experience with Steam, I wouldn't be worried about prices staying too high too long. Seems Steam is the place where you can get the best sales considering they don't have to pay the 70% (or whatever ridiculous number it is) retail margin.
Putting aside people who have prohibitive bandwith caps getting screwed over by that (thankfully, I'm not one of them), I'd rather not way to redownload a game every time I want to play it. Especially if it's being hosted by Sony (or x corporation) that happens to be going through that season's hacker blitz.
Frankly, I like the second-hand market. The fact that Nintendo, Sony, etc., don't like it really doesn't change my opinion (though it does give them incentive). Price wise, I'm not optimistic either--Amazon.com frequently matches Steam's prices, particularly on major launch titles, if not outright beating them, which makes for cheap new retail games. I'd seriously miss that going away, alongside awesome details from second-hand sellers or eBay. Really, it would suck for a group I'm not part of anymore: people with slow internet, but I'd immediatly miss being able to sell a game I wasn't happy with two weeks after purchasing.
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
edited June 2011
I wouldn't be surprised to see publishers take even further action toward eliminating the second hand market anyway, honestly.
It is. But if it had anything to do with complaining on the internet is debatable.
Despite Namco specifically saying the overwhelming fan response and petitions to localize more Tales of games is why they're bbringing it over?
Yeah. Because you're going to say no to free brownie points from your fanbase. Not saying it wouldn't be nice if online petitions actually matter, but remember in the cause of namco they only decided to bring tales and scv out when their other series for that year greatly underperformed. So, I think that might have had a lot more to do with it.
It is. But if it had anything to do with complaining on the internet is debatable.
Despite Namco specifically saying the overwhelming fan response and petitions to localize more Tales of games is why they're bbringing it over?
Yeah. Because you're going to say no to free brownie points from your fanbase. Not saying it wouldn't be nice if online petitions actually matter, but remember in the cause of namco they only decided to bring tales and scv out when their other series for that year greatly underperformed. So, I think that might have had a lot more to do with it.
So if online petitions/reponses fail to accomplish anything it's because online petitions/responses are useless...
But if a company cites online response as a reason for doing something they're lying for good PR because online petitions/responses are useless?
I wouldn't be surprised to see publishers take even further action toward eliminating the second hand market anyway, honestly.
Look at Capcom with the Mecenaries game.
I don't really consider that a serious effort at eliminating the second hand market. It's kind of a weird thing that doesn't stop anyone from enjoying the game, just only lets you unlock things once. Other cartridge games have done this before, typically ones that don't have different profiles.
If they wanted to do real damage, they'd associate the game with the 3DS it was first used in and save a bit of data that locks out certain features from other 3DSs (or disables the game entirely). This almost seems like some sort of technical issue or oversight, like they didn't have enough save space for multiple profiles anyway so they assumed it wouldn't be a problem.
If it really is action against the second hand market, expect to see more of the same on both 3DS and Vita, which also is going to have saves on the card.
It is. But if it had anything to do with complaining on the internet is debatable.
Despite Namco specifically saying the overwhelming fan response and petitions to localize more Tales of games is why they're bbringing it over?
Yeah. Because you're going to say no to free brownie points from your fanbase. Not saying it wouldn't be nice if online petitions actually matter, but remember in the cause of namco they only decided to bring tales and scv out when their other series for that year greatly underperformed. So, I think that might have had a lot more to do with it.
So if online petitions/reponses fail to accomplish anything it's because online petitions/responses are useless...
But if a company cites online response as a reason for doing something they're lying for good PR because online petitions/responses are useless?
What i'm saying is that people should look at the entire picture. This is the industry thread after all, I would think most people in here would know how full of shit the industry can be.
That being said, don't let my pessimism stop you all from being online heroes.
I'm not saying you're wrong, you could be absolutely right
I'm not even sure I really disagree with you on the whole
I was taking more of an issue with the lack of evidence being evidence and circular logic things because at that point it's kind of just baseless speculation and reinforcment of already held beliefs without a solid basis for it usually isn't terribly productive waters to tread
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited June 2011
True. I mean I have nothing to back up what I'm saying outside of a gut feeling. That being said I'm not really trying to "win" the argument, just giving my two cents.
Fearless is one of our company values. It‘s also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.
Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. It‘s worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
While it‘s perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think it‘s not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and shitstorm being pointed at them.
They were devils advocating each other. The people claiming "it is going to happen" failed to understand the purpose of the document they read.
This is a fairly standard thing to do in a large company. I'm sure someone will trot out the usual "Of course they would say that" but I'm not in the practice of acknowledging conspiracy theories so I wont be replying to that.
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When the devil is the lead designer and says he personally supports it and they are already planning gameplay affecting stuff for their planned games, it is likely they are going to implement it if they can.
Kristoffer Touborg, lead games designer at developer CCP, argues for an increased use of micro-transactions.
"I would like virtual goods sales in Eve," he wrote.
"In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?
"Let 's hope not, although that's the impression I get sometimes when interacting with our customers. There is a pretty overwhelming perception amongst Eve players that these changes are bad. I think they're brilliant, but our players don't. We're going to face an uphill struggle, and the reason many of us never talk about this publicly is that we'd be burned at the stake by the players."
That isn't devil's advocate. That is just being an advocate for it.
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When the devil is the lead designer and says he personally supports it and they are already planning gameplay affecting stuff for their planned games, it is likely they are going to implement it if they can.
Kristoffer Touborg, lead games designer at developer CCP, argues for an increased use of micro-transactions.
"I would like virtual goods sales in Eve," he wrote.
"In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items. Does this mean I'm an evil capitalist that, unless stopped, will cause the entire company to catch fire and be buried at sea by a secret team of Navy SEALs?
"Let 's hope not, although that's the impression I get sometimes when interacting with our customers. There is a pretty overwhelming perception amongst Eve players that these changes are bad. I think they're brilliant, but our players don't. We're going to face an uphill struggle, and the reason many of us never talk about this publicly is that we'd be burned at the stake by the players."
That isn't devil's advocate. That is just being an advocate for it.
Unfortunately, he was talking about vanity items.
The leaked document was talking about much more extreme macrotransaction items giving in game power to players and had inflammatory comments that pissed everybody off a lot since they were taking extreme stances on the issue.
So you are correct that he is advocating more vanity items and you are incorrect in referencing what I was talking about.
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Apparently a list of Battlefield Heroes Beta accounts/emails/passwords were posted. (GoGo unsalted MD5) So if you used that you might want to change your info.
Apparently a list of Battlefield Heroes Beta accounts/emails/passwords were posted. (GoGo unsalted MD5) So if you used that you might want to change your info.
LulzSec, the hacker group who have claimed responsibility for many of the high profile attacks on gaming companies, publishers, and even the CIA, have declared their work is done, their time is up, and they’re off. Apparently it was always intended to be a 50 day voyage aboard their Lulzboat, and it has come to an end. They believe they have revitalised the Antisec Movement, and entertained themselves along the way. Which they claim, albeit in hindsight, was always their goal.
If anybody believes them, I have a bridge to sell you.
Guess who's account is in the leaked csv? :rotate:
Man, fuck Lulzsec. I hope the FBI busts their balls.
From what I understand, if you've ever had a battlefield heroes account, either beta or live, you're on that list.
Which seems kind of redundant considering most people have their BF:H accounts linked to their EA accounts which was also recently hacked. Though...maybe that one wasn't lulzsec.
Ugh. I played Battlefield Heroes like *once,* and for fifteen minutes or so way back when it launched. I've since changed all of my important passwords, so I suppose I don't have to do anything for this one.
Edit: I don't remember if I played the Beta or final release, but knowing me, I probably jumped on "free Battlefield" as quickly as possible.
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Would you play a pay to play MMO with pay to win weaponry in it?
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If you think so, sure.
That was probably going to be one of the only shooters I'd buy on a console
I guess we'll see what happens but that doesn't sound promising
And I don't know if there's even a subscription necessary for that game.
Nah, you get the gun for free
Hah, actually this is why I don't really make any effort to getting people together for paintball anymore
So if I understand this right, the third currency/vanity items has made it harder/impossible for people to sustain their account without paying real-world money.
Yeah, I can see why people would get pissed over that.
Still: THREE in-game currencies? Jesus.
Would releasing on a console and not on PC count as that? Because when I heard they were making Dust be console exclusive, I thought it was a little weird due to EVE being older than any of the current consoles.
I actually just preordered it
Partially because it looks good but primarily because I don't even own my own Wii and if it does get a US release preordering this might actually get me off my ass to pick up a Wii for myself :P
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I'm pretty sure Tales of Grace is coming over.
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Putting aside people who have prohibitive bandwith caps getting screwed over by that (thankfully, I'm not one of them), I'd rather not way to redownload a game every time I want to play it. Especially if it's being hosted by Sony (or x corporation) that happens to be going through that season's hacker blitz.
Frankly, I like the second-hand market. The fact that Nintendo, Sony, etc., don't like it really doesn't change my opinion (though it does give them incentive). Price wise, I'm not optimistic either--Amazon.com frequently matches Steam's prices, particularly on major launch titles, if not outright beating them, which makes for cheap new retail games. I'd seriously miss that going away, alongside awesome details from second-hand sellers or eBay. Really, it would suck for a group I'm not part of anymore: people with slow internet, but I'd immediatly miss being able to sell a game I wasn't happy with two weeks after purchasing.
Despite Namco specifically saying the overwhelming fan response and petitions to localize more Tales of games is why they're bringing it over?
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Look at Capcom with the Mecenaries game.
Yeah. Because you're going to say no to free brownie points from your fanbase. Not saying it wouldn't be nice if online petitions actually matter, but remember in the cause of namco they only decided to bring tales and scv out when their other series for that year greatly underperformed. So, I think that might have had a lot more to do with it.
So if online petitions/reponses fail to accomplish anything it's because online petitions/responses are useless...
But if a company cites online response as a reason for doing something they're lying for good PR because online petitions/responses are useless?
I don't really consider that a serious effort at eliminating the second hand market. It's kind of a weird thing that doesn't stop anyone from enjoying the game, just only lets you unlock things once. Other cartridge games have done this before, typically ones that don't have different profiles.
If they wanted to do real damage, they'd associate the game with the 3DS it was first used in and save a bit of data that locks out certain features from other 3DSs (or disables the game entirely). This almost seems like some sort of technical issue or oversight, like they didn't have enough save space for multiple profiles anyway so they assumed it wouldn't be a problem.
If it really is action against the second hand market, expect to see more of the same on both 3DS and Vita, which also is going to have saves on the card.
What i'm saying is that people should look at the entire picture. This is the industry thread after all, I would think most people in here would know how full of shit the industry can be.
That being said, don't let my pessimism stop you all from being online heroes.
I'm not even sure I really disagree with you on the whole
I was taking more of an issue with the lack of evidence being evidence and circular logic things because at that point it's kind of just baseless speculation and reinforcment of already held beliefs without a solid basis for it usually isn't terribly productive waters to tread
Sadly, this by itself can be a pretty convincing point.
They were devils advocating each other. The people claiming "it is going to happen" failed to understand the purpose of the document they read.
This is a fairly standard thing to do in a large company. I'm sure someone will trot out the usual "Of course they would say that" but I'm not in the practice of acknowledging conspiracy theories so I wont be replying to that.
That isn't devil's advocate. That is just being an advocate for it.
Unfortunately, he was talking about vanity items.
The leaked document was talking about much more extreme macrotransaction items giving in game power to players and had inflammatory comments that pissed everybody off a lot since they were taking extreme stances on the issue.
So you are correct that he is advocating more vanity items and you are incorrect in referencing what I was talking about.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/26/lulzsec-over-release-battlefield-heroes-data/
Man, fuck Lulzsec. I hope the FBI busts their balls.
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From what I understand, if you've ever had a battlefield heroes account, either beta or live, you're on that list.
Which seems kind of redundant considering most people have their BF:H accounts linked to their EA accounts which was also recently hacked. Though...maybe that one wasn't lulzsec.
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Edit: I don't remember if I played the Beta or final release, but knowing me, I probably jumped on "free Battlefield" as quickly as possible.
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NoA continues to have their head in the sand.
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