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One Fish, Two Fish, Dead Fish, New Fish [CHAT]!

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    PROXPROX Registered User regular
    Beavo are you gonna be in town tomorrow? we should hang out for lunch! send me a facebook PM.

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    SiegfriedSiegfried Registered User regular
    MKR, please don't edit any of those posts. I love it.

    Also, don't know how many of you actually give a shit about the DC reboot, but it looks like they really fucked up with the opportunity to not depict women as whores: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

    And as bad as this panel is from Catwoman...I like the text in this revised version best: (NSFW!!!!!!)
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    Kochikens wrote:
    My fav is when I can get my kiss on with other dudes.
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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    leelo dallas multipost

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    PROXPROX Registered User regular
    That's some good advice beavotrons!

    Beavo are you gonna be in town tomorrow? we should hang out for lunch!

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    farbekriegfarbekrieg Registered User regular
    I dont know they seem to do a pretty good job of showing off WW as a lesbian whore.... wait yeah i kind of see what you mean

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    KochikensKochikens Registered User regular
    Yeah DC is generally incredibly disgusting, I wasn't a fan before, now I never will be.

    I don't want to go to sleep because I don't want to go to work bluhbluh

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    MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    BONK! These new forums are almost as unreliable as the old ones.

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    farbekriegfarbekrieg Registered User regular
    yeah the forums are down like DC females, for anything ;)

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    MaydayMayday Cutting edge goblin tech Registered User regular
    Mustang wrote:
    BONK! These new forums are almost as unreliable as the old ones.
    What they need is some flubber.

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    cake are you trying to "catch 'em all"?

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    DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    I like how when cat woman is in battle or something her outfit appears to be leather, but when she's in the presence of a man it morphs into flimsy silk.

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    DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    Also love double-postinnnng~~

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    McGibsMcGibs TorontoRegistered User regular
    I'm drawing an armoured centaur. What nationality and time period should this armour be from?

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    m3nacem3nace Registered User regular
    Hellenistic assyrian!

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    ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    Conquistador Centaur

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    m3nacem3nace Registered User regular
    Alright if we're going that way why not just make a victorian 6th dragoon guard?

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    Indus Valley 2000 BCE

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    McGibsMcGibs TorontoRegistered User regular
    Greek it is.

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    FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    Siegfried wrote:
    MKR, please don't edit any of those posts. I love it.

    Also, don't know how many of you actually give a shit about the DC reboot, but it looks like they really fucked up with the opportunity to not depict women as whores: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

    And as bad as this panel is from Catwoman...I like the text in this revised version best: (NSFW!!!!!!)
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    Sorry you were forced to read these... Oh wait. Nobody has to read any of this. If you don't like; vote with you dollars

    I absolutely love this line of anti-argument.

    I wonder at which stage its considered okay to critique something? If its free, you're in no way allowed to call attention to its faults. If it isn't free, you can "vote with your dollars", which of course sends no information to the creators about why their product displeases you, but hey, at least you aren't drawing attention to an unfortunate truth.

    If you don't like a certain political policy, don't go around pointlessly stirring the pot with grass roots movements. Vote with your votes!

    I'm so glad all human advancement can be achieved without ever talking to anyone about anything.

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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    Hippie

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    SiegfriedSiegfried Registered User regular
    Considering making a new thread for a DC/MD meet up and conversations. So as not to bore anyone who doesn't give a shit, and allow for open discussion for those that want to plan to come in from out of town. Good idea, bad idea?

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    Kochikens wrote:
    My fav is when I can get my kiss on with other dudes.
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    rtsrts Registered User regular
    Tam wrote:
    cake are you trying to "catch 'em all"?

    Hey man...it really is a great place for learning to draw/paint. And there is a lot of work out here as well...though of course it's also pretty competitive.

    skype: rtschutter
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    ChromatomicChromatomic Mr. DCRegistered User regular
    edited September 2011
    Siegfried wrote:
    Considering making a new thread for a DC/MD meet up and conversations. So as not to bore anyone who doesn't give a shit, and allow for open discussion for those that want to plan to come in from out of town. Good idea, bad idea?

    A good idea, but the thread would need art to not go against the rules :p

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    Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Moderator mod
    edited September 2011
    Siegfried wrote:
    Also, don't know how many of you actually give a shit about the DC reboot, but it looks like they really fucked up with the opportunity to not depict women as whores: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

    what the hell.
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    If someone said this to me, or I overheard someone say that, I would immediately start planning on how to avoid this person at all costs in the future.

    Also all the DC reboot thing did was to up the already lamentable sex/cheesecake bullshit? I would have thought doing a reboot would be a prime opportunity to have an editorial/writer/artist shakeup to try to get more people that don't currently read comics because of that sorta BS, rather than doubling down on their current hardcore fanbase that would have bought their shit anyway.

    If the comic-book-readers-that-desperately-ogle-superheroine-boobs-but-are-somehow-unfamiliar-with-the-concept-of-free-internet-pornography is really such a big market, surely they'd do better to just split off an alternate universe title explicitly just about doing semi-official slash-fiction/cheesecake/porn-type scenarios, thus freeing up the regular titles to aim for something a little more respectable and mature (in the "demonstrates maturity" sense, not the "WARNING MATURE CONTENT" sense) in the view of the average person (ie: people who have not read so many of the recentish crop of comics that they don't realize something's amiss when a woman is drawn in a breast-and-ass exposing position that would not be possible without the women in question suffering from medical emergency-level scoliosis.)


    Also, I'm on the road! Day one of driving went alright, except for it raining a lot, and then a traffic snarl-up due to the highway merging down into one lane due to construction (construction that was not actually going on in any capacity, unless road cones now magically heal roads just by being in the area), which meant of the approximately 10 hours I spent on the road today, one of those hours was spent travelling a distance of roughly 3 miles. D:
    Hopefully tomorrow will be sunnier and smoother.

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    DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    That panel. Oh my god.

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    burn it all down
    just burn down DC and Marvel

    Tam on
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    AgentflitAgentflit Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    I wonder if this works on the forums

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    ed: nope

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    MaydayMayday Cutting edge goblin tech Registered User regular
    Agentflit wrote:
    I wonder if this works on the forums

    T̸̯̉̈́̓̏̚̚͠E̷̡̙̫̮̪̲̺̻ͤ̅͛Ś͕͔͕͉̲̖̘͆̕͡T̠͕͇̣̟̹̻̩̘ͦ̂ͯ͐̍ͮ͢I̵̫͈͓̙͋̎̈́N̬̞̘̰̭̹̻̊͗̈́ͤ̑̕̕ͅG̡̭̯̹͇ͭ͛̀̕

    ed: nope

    yup

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    SiegfriedSiegfried Registered User regular
    Well DC did do right with Batgirl and Batwoman (Wonder Woman too? I actually don't know on that one). I know Batgirl has a female writer as well, which is a step in the right direction.

    But when you take five steps back for every one step forward it doesn't help.

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    Kochikens wrote:
    My fav is when I can get my kiss on with other dudes.
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    farbekriegfarbekrieg Registered User regular
    honestly i doubt they are any more misogynist than they were before, people just had high hopes.

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    KochikensKochikens Registered User regular
    Wonder Woman is now incredibly violent

    so
    lets see how badly they fuck her up other than that

    Batwoman is still awesome though.

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    DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    Man. Finance and business are so fucking cool.

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    DirtyDirtyVagrantDirtyDirtyVagrant Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    Bleh forums being bleh.

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    Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Moderator mod
    edited September 2011
    Cross-country move Day 2 update:
    Today was going great, until I noticed one of my tires was bulging on my car, which lead to me getting 2 of them replaced, which lead to a mechanic noticing that the ball joint on my suspension was loose
    and also that the road had shreded the wire to the brake lights on my U-Haul trailer, due to them hooking it up really poorly.

    So I've got new tires, and I've got a new wire from U-Haul, but now I'm stuck in Nowheresville, Ohio waiting for Monday for an auto service shop to open up to fix the ball joint thing. Tomorrow is going to consist of me trying to rework all my travel plans and probably redistributing the weight of all the shit in the U-Haul trailer to be less front-loaded, to prevent more chain/wire/tongue damage to it.

    My fantasies of just burning all my worldly possessions and just flying into SF with nothing but the shirt on my back is starting to look a lot more sensible right about now.

    EDIT: At least I got half of what I asked for in yesterday's post- it was, indeed, sunnier.

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    SiegfriedSiegfried Registered User regular
    As if it couldn't get any worse:
    Munch wrote:
    TexiKen wrote:
    DC had a talk about Red Hood and the Starfire stuff before the issue was released, take from that what you will. The line that they took out doesn't seem like it made things any better. I guess a good indication of that white board existing with concerns over reader response would come to light with this stuff.
    “There were a handful of staff, mostly other women, who believed the writer was trying to equate being a strong woman with being, frankly, a slut. No one said that the writer was misogynistic, just that perhaps he was writing from a male perspective. It was firmly suggested to him that he could accentuate the character’s past as a sex slave. And that this might be an explanation for her sexuality, that she was acting out in her new life.”

    Gross. That's just about the only thing that could have made that comic worse.

    "Boy, that Starfire sure does love sex, huh?"

    "Yeah, she was raped a lot when she was younger. Left her with an insatiable appetite for emotionless, dead-eyed fuckin'."

    Oh, and originally, Starfire was to have a transparent bikini.

    It's so weird to realize that everything about Starfire, could have somehow been worse.

    Like, what made it out the door is the version that people looked at and thought, "Oh yeah, that's acceptable!"

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    Kochikens wrote:
    My fav is when I can get my kiss on with other dudes.
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    melting_dollmelting_doll Registered User regular
    I am more annoyed by the people raging about the DC stuff than I am by the DC stuff.

    It isn't news to anyone that comics are unrealistic. It isn't a new thing for women in comics to be portrayed in unrealistic ways.

    The Red Hood & the Outlaws #1 issue (with Starfire the slutbag) was stupid. That's what I thought when I read it. "This is stupid." But I know enough now to understand that this happens in comics. I certainly don't encourage it, but I'm not going to waste energy fuming about something that's been going on for more than 50 years.

    I also don't always find it fair to complain about women in comics, because men in comics are portrayed pretty unrealistically as well. I always hear feminist comic fans come in to the shop, whining and saying "real women don't look like that". Well, I don't exactly have an army of 6-foot-5 male friends sporting 6-packs and 36" biceps.

    I also find it slightly ignorant to write off DC because they put out a few sexist comics. A) because it happens at every comics publisher, and b) there are different writers assigned to different titles. Just because I didn't like Red Hood, which was written by Scott Lobdell, doesn't mean I'm going to say to myself, "Well fuck everything written by Geoff Johns too, then!" because that's just stupid. Hate the writer, not the publisher. I mean, look at all the work J Scott Campbell gets paid to do, and that's basically soft core porn. And he does a lot of work for Marvel...yet I don't hear or read about anyone complaining about them.

    And if you want really sexist, look at Warlord of Mars. Or Tarot. Or Grimm Fairy Tales. Seriously...

    I personally think what DC is doing with the #1's is fantastic. It's exciting, it's fresh, and everyone can find something to enjoy from it. Supergirl was fun, Batgirl was pretty good, Wonder Woman was...something (I never liked WW anyway) and I'm finding a lot of good reads from unexpected places.

    That said, I DO, however, understand the disappointment in DC's apparent sexist employment (or lack thereof). It's pretty effing lame.

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    SiegfriedSiegfried Registered User regular
    But MD, everyone should know by now that if you don't live up to your comic superheroes

    you'll never be truly happy.
    If I don't get legs like WW I'll never get asked to prom!!

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    Kochikens wrote:
    My fav is when I can get my kiss on with other dudes.
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    @MD: I dunno, at least some blame has to be put at DC's feet because editorial control is still a function of a publisher- it's not like the writer and artist go off and do their own thing and deliver their work straight to the presses without the higher-ups ever seeing it. If the bosses sign off on bullshit, they take at least some amount of responsibility for that bullshit. If they wanted to clamp down on the sexist shit that gets printed with a DC logo on it, they could- I'm not going to give them a pass on the 'but everyone's doing it!/we've done this for YEARS!' arguments.

    But I'm not going to spread the blame out to every artist/writer/editor at DC here- I haven't read any of the reboot comics myself, so I'm just going on what's presented in that article. There could be new and exciting and groundbreaking shit going on there, but if the public's eye gets focused on sexist BS rather than those things (not everyone has the interest or money to give every single title a fair chance), the reboot has to be considered a squandered public relations opportunity- it was a great chance to show the world (and potentially new audiences) that their product wasn't going to be the same business as usual, but what's getting shown to the world is that their product is business as usual, but even more so.

    Also, I don't know if the fact that male superheroes are built like brick shithouses is really a good comparison to female superheroes being siliconed-up sex vampires, in terms of sexist portrayal. When I think of a sexist portrayal of a dude demonstrating a dismissal of all dude-kind, I think more of the bumbling idiot sitcom dad, the beer-commercial Normal Guy who craves nothing but beer and chicks and sports coverage, or the Lifetime television 'all men are abusive dicks' portrayal, or...basically a guy acting like the guy in that panel (I assume that's Red Hood?). I find that sort of shit a lot more off-putting than flying bodybuilders...though maybe I'd feel differently if bodybuilders were actually fetishized by women as much as the Hollywood Female Physique is by the media. I always got the impression that the average woman thought of steroid-abusing dudes less as super-hot sex studs and more as kinda weirdo freaks- which is what the average dude thinks of them as well for the most part.

    (Also I've never read a J. Scott Campbell book and would gladly give him shit if somebody happened to bring him up in conversation the same way this DC sexist thing has been brought up in conversation. I don't know about the plot or dialogue, but the way he draws women is really off-putting for some reason I can't quite put my finger on. They always look like someone could just wrap one hand around their midsection and just snap them in half or something.)

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    so a friend handed me The Idiot by Dostoevsky to read
    and I might actually read it
    would it behoove me to know some things before going into this?

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    Well, if you're anything like me, you should know it'll probably take you a long time to read and you'll like it and feel satisfied reading it, but then remember almost nothing about it after finishing it.

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