I like how when cat woman is in battle or something her outfit appears to be leather, but when she's in the presence of a man it morphs into flimsy silk.
Sorry you were forced to read these... Oh wait. Nobody has to read any of this. If you don't like; vote with you dollars
I absolutely love this line of anti-argument.
I wonder at which stage its considered okay to critique something? If its free, you're in no way allowed to call attention to its faults. If it isn't free, you can "vote with your dollars", which of course sends no information to the creators about why their product displeases you, but hey, at least you aren't drawing attention to an unfortunate truth.
If you don't like a certain political policy, don't go around pointlessly stirring the pot with grass roots movements. Vote with your votes!
I'm so glad all human advancement can be achieved without ever talking to anyone about anything.
Considering making a new thread for a DC/MD meet up and conversations. So as not to bore anyone who doesn't give a shit, and allow for open discussion for those that want to plan to come in from out of town. Good idea, bad idea?
Hey man...it really is a great place for learning to draw/paint. And there is a lot of work out here as well...though of course it's also pretty competitive.
Considering making a new thread for a DC/MD meet up and conversations. So as not to bore anyone who doesn't give a shit, and allow for open discussion for those that want to plan to come in from out of town. Good idea, bad idea?
A good idea, but the thread would need art to not go against the rules
what the hell.
If someone said this to me, or I overheard someone say that, I would immediately start planning on how to avoid this person at all costs in the future.
Also all the DC reboot thing did was to up the already lamentable sex/cheesecake bullshit? I would have thought doing a reboot would be a prime opportunity to have an editorial/writer/artist shakeup to try to get more people that don't currently read comics because of that sorta BS, rather than doubling down on their current hardcore fanbase that would have bought their shit anyway.
If the comic-book-readers-that-desperately-ogle-superheroine-boobs-but-are-somehow-unfamiliar-with-the-concept-of-free-internet-pornography is really such a big market, surely they'd do better to just split off an alternate universe title explicitly just about doing semi-official slash-fiction/cheesecake/porn-type scenarios, thus freeing up the regular titles to aim for something a little more respectable and mature (in the "demonstrates maturity" sense, not the "WARNING MATURE CONTENT" sense) in the view of the average person (ie: people who have not read so many of the recentish crop of comics that they don't realize something's amiss when a woman is drawn in a breast-and-ass exposing position that would not be possible without the women in question suffering from medical emergency-level scoliosis.)
Also, I'm on the road! Day one of driving went alright, except for it raining a lot, and then a traffic snarl-up due to the highway merging down into one lane due to construction (construction that was not actually going on in any capacity, unless road cones now magically heal roads just by being in the area), which meant of the approximately 10 hours I spent on the road today, one of those hours was spent travelling a distance of roughly 3 miles.
Hopefully tomorrow will be sunnier and smoother.
Well DC did do right with Batgirl and Batwoman (Wonder Woman too? I actually don't know on that one). I know Batgirl has a female writer as well, which is a step in the right direction.
But when you take five steps back for every one step forward it doesn't help.
Cross-country move Day 2 update:
Today was going great, until I noticed one of my tires was bulging on my car, which lead to me getting 2 of them replaced, which lead to a mechanic noticing that the ball joint on my suspension was loose
and also that the road had shreded the wire to the brake lights on my U-Haul trailer, due to them hooking it up really poorly.
So I've got new tires, and I've got a new wire from U-Haul, but now I'm stuck in Nowheresville, Ohio waiting for Monday for an auto service shop to open up to fix the ball joint thing. Tomorrow is going to consist of me trying to rework all my travel plans and probably redistributing the weight of all the shit in the U-Haul trailer to be less front-loaded, to prevent more chain/wire/tongue damage to it.
My fantasies of just burning all my worldly possessions and just flying into SF with nothing but the shirt on my back is starting to look a lot more sensible right about now.
EDIT: At least I got half of what I asked for in yesterday's post- it was, indeed, sunnier.
“There were a handful of staff, mostly other women, who believed the writer was trying to equate being a strong woman with being, frankly, a slut. No one said that the writer was misogynistic, just that perhaps he was writing from a male perspective. It was firmly suggested to him that he could accentuate the character’s past as a sex slave. And that this might be an explanation for her sexuality, that she was acting out in her new life.”
Gross. That's just about the only thing that could have made that comic worse.
"Boy, that Starfire sure does love sex, huh?"
"Yeah, she was raped a lot when she was younger. Left her with an insatiable appetite for emotionless, dead-eyed fuckin'."
I am more annoyed by the people raging about the DC stuff than I am by the DC stuff.
It isn't news to anyone that comics are unrealistic. It isn't a new thing for women in comics to be portrayed in unrealistic ways.
The Red Hood & the Outlaws #1 issue (with Starfire the slutbag) was stupid. That's what I thought when I read it. "This is stupid." But I know enough now to understand that this happens in comics. I certainly don't encourage it, but I'm not going to waste energy fuming about something that's been going on for more than 50 years.
I also don't always find it fair to complain about women in comics, because men in comics are portrayed pretty unrealistically as well. I always hear feminist comic fans come in to the shop, whining and saying "real women don't look like that". Well, I don't exactly have an army of 6-foot-5 male friends sporting 6-packs and 36" biceps.
I also find it slightly ignorant to write off DC because they put out a few sexist comics. A) because it happens at every comics publisher, and b) there are different writers assigned to different titles. Just because I didn't like Red Hood, which was written by Scott Lobdell, doesn't mean I'm going to say to myself, "Well fuck everything written by Geoff Johns too, then!" because that's just stupid. Hate the writer, not the publisher. I mean, look at all the work J Scott Campbell gets paid to do, and that's basically soft core porn. And he does a lot of work for Marvel...yet I don't hear or read about anyone complaining about them.
And if you want really sexist, look at Warlord of Mars. Or Tarot. Or Grimm Fairy Tales. Seriously...
I personally think what DC is doing with the #1's is fantastic. It's exciting, it's fresh, and everyone can find something to enjoy from it. Supergirl was fun, Batgirl was pretty good, Wonder Woman was...something (I never liked WW anyway) and I'm finding a lot of good reads from unexpected places.
That said, I DO, however, understand the disappointment in DC's apparent sexist employment (or lack thereof). It's pretty effing lame.
@MD: I dunno, at least some blame has to be put at DC's feet because editorial control is still a function of a publisher- it's not like the writer and artist go off and do their own thing and deliver their work straight to the presses without the higher-ups ever seeing it. If the bosses sign off on bullshit, they take at least some amount of responsibility for that bullshit. If they wanted to clamp down on the sexist shit that gets printed with a DC logo on it, they could- I'm not going to give them a pass on the 'but everyone's doing it!/we've done this for YEARS!' arguments.
But I'm not going to spread the blame out to every artist/writer/editor at DC here- I haven't read any of the reboot comics myself, so I'm just going on what's presented in that article. There could be new and exciting and groundbreaking shit going on there, but if the public's eye gets focused on sexist BS rather than those things (not everyone has the interest or money to give every single title a fair chance), the reboot has to be considered a squandered public relations opportunity- it was a great chance to show the world (and potentially new audiences) that their product wasn't going to be the same business as usual, but what's getting shown to the world is that their product is business as usual, but even more so.
Also, I don't know if the fact that male superheroes are built like brick shithouses is really a good comparison to female superheroes being siliconed-up sex vampires, in terms of sexist portrayal. When I think of a sexist portrayal of a dude demonstrating a dismissal of all dude-kind, I think more of the bumbling idiot sitcom dad, the beer-commercial Normal Guy who craves nothing but beer and chicks and sports coverage, or the Lifetime television 'all men are abusive dicks' portrayal, or...basically a guy acting like the guy in that panel (I assume that's Red Hood?). I find that sort of shit a lot more off-putting than flying bodybuilders...though maybe I'd feel differently if bodybuilders were actually fetishized by women as much as the Hollywood Female Physique is by the media. I always got the impression that the average woman thought of steroid-abusing dudes less as super-hot sex studs and more as kinda weirdo freaks- which is what the average dude thinks of them as well for the most part.
(Also I've never read a J. Scott Campbell book and would gladly give him shit if somebody happened to bring him up in conversation the same way this DC sexist thing has been brought up in conversation. I don't know about the plot or dialogue, but the way he draws women is really off-putting for some reason I can't quite put my finger on. They always look like someone could just wrap one hand around their midsection and just snap them in half or something.)
Well, if you're anything like me, you should know it'll probably take you a long time to read and you'll like it and feel satisfied reading it, but then remember almost nothing about it after finishing it.
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Also, don't know how many of you actually give a shit about the DC reboot, but it looks like they really fucked up with the opportunity to not depict women as whores: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter
And as bad as this panel is from Catwoman...I like the text in this revised version best: (NSFW!!!!!!)
Beavo are you gonna be in town tomorrow? we should hang out for lunch!
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I don't want to go to sleep because I don't want to go to work bluhbluh
I absolutely love this line of anti-argument.
I wonder at which stage its considered okay to critique something? If its free, you're in no way allowed to call attention to its faults. If it isn't free, you can "vote with your dollars", which of course sends no information to the creators about why their product displeases you, but hey, at least you aren't drawing attention to an unfortunate truth.
If you don't like a certain political policy, don't go around pointlessly stirring the pot with grass roots movements. Vote with your votes!
I'm so glad all human advancement can be achieved without ever talking to anyone about anything.
Hey man...it really is a great place for learning to draw/paint. And there is a lot of work out here as well...though of course it's also pretty competitive.
A good idea, but the thread would need art to not go against the rules
what the hell.
If someone said this to me, or I overheard someone say that, I would immediately start planning on how to avoid this person at all costs in the future.
Also all the DC reboot thing did was to up the already lamentable sex/cheesecake bullshit? I would have thought doing a reboot would be a prime opportunity to have an editorial/writer/artist shakeup to try to get more people that don't currently read comics because of that sorta BS, rather than doubling down on their current hardcore fanbase that would have bought their shit anyway.
If the comic-book-readers-that-desperately-ogle-superheroine-boobs-but-are-somehow-unfamiliar-with-the-concept-of-free-internet-pornography is really such a big market, surely they'd do better to just split off an alternate universe title explicitly just about doing semi-official slash-fiction/cheesecake/porn-type scenarios, thus freeing up the regular titles to aim for something a little more respectable and mature (in the "demonstrates maturity" sense, not the "WARNING MATURE CONTENT" sense) in the view of the average person (ie: people who have not read so many of the recentish crop of comics that they don't realize something's amiss when a woman is drawn in a breast-and-ass exposing position that would not be possible without the women in question suffering from medical emergency-level scoliosis.)
Also, I'm on the road! Day one of driving went alright, except for it raining a lot, and then a traffic snarl-up due to the highway merging down into one lane due to construction (construction that was not actually going on in any capacity, unless road cones now magically heal roads just by being in the area), which meant of the approximately 10 hours I spent on the road today, one of those hours was spent travelling a distance of roughly 3 miles.
Hopefully tomorrow will be sunnier and smoother.
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just burn down DC and Marvel
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ed: nope
yup
But when you take five steps back for every one step forward it doesn't help.
so
lets see how badly they fuck her up other than that
Batwoman is still awesome though.
Today was going great, until I noticed one of my tires was bulging on my car, which lead to me getting 2 of them replaced, which lead to a mechanic noticing that the ball joint on my suspension was loose
and also that the road had shreded the wire to the brake lights on my U-Haul trailer, due to them hooking it up really poorly.
So I've got new tires, and I've got a new wire from U-Haul, but now I'm stuck in Nowheresville, Ohio waiting for Monday for an auto service shop to open up to fix the ball joint thing. Tomorrow is going to consist of me trying to rework all my travel plans and probably redistributing the weight of all the shit in the U-Haul trailer to be less front-loaded, to prevent more chain/wire/tongue damage to it.
My fantasies of just burning all my worldly possessions and just flying into SF with nothing but the shirt on my back is starting to look a lot more sensible right about now.
EDIT: At least I got half of what I asked for in yesterday's post- it was, indeed, sunnier.
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It isn't news to anyone that comics are unrealistic. It isn't a new thing for women in comics to be portrayed in unrealistic ways.
The Red Hood & the Outlaws #1 issue (with Starfire the slutbag) was stupid. That's what I thought when I read it. "This is stupid." But I know enough now to understand that this happens in comics. I certainly don't encourage it, but I'm not going to waste energy fuming about something that's been going on for more than 50 years.
I also don't always find it fair to complain about women in comics, because men in comics are portrayed pretty unrealistically as well. I always hear feminist comic fans come in to the shop, whining and saying "real women don't look like that". Well, I don't exactly have an army of 6-foot-5 male friends sporting 6-packs and 36" biceps.
I also find it slightly ignorant to write off DC because they put out a few sexist comics. A) because it happens at every comics publisher, and b) there are different writers assigned to different titles. Just because I didn't like Red Hood, which was written by Scott Lobdell, doesn't mean I'm going to say to myself, "Well fuck everything written by Geoff Johns too, then!" because that's just stupid. Hate the writer, not the publisher. I mean, look at all the work J Scott Campbell gets paid to do, and that's basically soft core porn. And he does a lot of work for Marvel...yet I don't hear or read about anyone complaining about them.
And if you want really sexist, look at Warlord of Mars. Or Tarot. Or Grimm Fairy Tales. Seriously...
I personally think what DC is doing with the #1's is fantastic. It's exciting, it's fresh, and everyone can find something to enjoy from it. Supergirl was fun, Batgirl was pretty good, Wonder Woman was...something (I never liked WW anyway) and I'm finding a lot of good reads from unexpected places.
That said, I DO, however, understand the disappointment in DC's apparent sexist employment (or lack thereof). It's pretty effing lame.
you'll never be truly happy.
But I'm not going to spread the blame out to every artist/writer/editor at DC here- I haven't read any of the reboot comics myself, so I'm just going on what's presented in that article. There could be new and exciting and groundbreaking shit going on there, but if the public's eye gets focused on sexist BS rather than those things (not everyone has the interest or money to give every single title a fair chance), the reboot has to be considered a squandered public relations opportunity- it was a great chance to show the world (and potentially new audiences) that their product wasn't going to be the same business as usual, but what's getting shown to the world is that their product is business as usual, but even more so.
Also, I don't know if the fact that male superheroes are built like brick shithouses is really a good comparison to female superheroes being siliconed-up sex vampires, in terms of sexist portrayal. When I think of a sexist portrayal of a dude demonstrating a dismissal of all dude-kind, I think more of the bumbling idiot sitcom dad, the beer-commercial Normal Guy who craves nothing but beer and chicks and sports coverage, or the Lifetime television 'all men are abusive dicks' portrayal, or...basically a guy acting like the guy in that panel (I assume that's Red Hood?). I find that sort of shit a lot more off-putting than flying bodybuilders...though maybe I'd feel differently if bodybuilders were actually fetishized by women as much as the Hollywood Female Physique is by the media. I always got the impression that the average woman thought of steroid-abusing dudes less as super-hot sex studs and more as kinda weirdo freaks- which is what the average dude thinks of them as well for the most part.
(Also I've never read a J. Scott Campbell book and would gladly give him shit if somebody happened to bring him up in conversation the same way this DC sexist thing has been brought up in conversation. I don't know about the plot or dialogue, but the way he draws women is really off-putting for some reason I can't quite put my finger on. They always look like someone could just wrap one hand around their midsection and just snap them in half or something.)
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and I might actually read it
would it behoove me to know some things before going into this?
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