jpegODIE, YOUR FACEScenic Illinois FlatlandsRegistered Userregular
I'm currently working my way through The Brothers Karamazov and thoroughly enjoying it. Dostoevsky writes DENNNNNSELY though, like 5 pages without a line break dense
so I just type in this box and it goes on the screen?
@MD: I dunno, at least some blame has to be put at DC's feet because editorial control is still a function of a publisher- it's not like the writer and artist go off and do their own thing and deliver their work straight to the presses without the higher-ups ever seeing it. If the bosses sign off on bullshit, they take at least some amount of responsibility for that bullshit. If they wanted to clamp down on the sexist shit that gets printed with a DC logo on it, they could- I'm not going to give them a pass on the 'but everyone's doing it!/we've done this for YEARS!' arguments.
But I'm not going to spread the blame out to every artist/writer/editor at DC here- I haven't read any of the reboot comics myself, so I'm just going on what's presented in that article. There could be new and exciting and groundbreaking shit going on there, but if the public's eye gets focused on sexist BS rather than those things (not everyone has the interest or money to give every single title a fair chance), the reboot has to be considered a squandered public relations opportunity- it was a great chance to show the world (and potentially new audiences) that their product wasn't going to be the same business as usual, but what's getting shown to the world is that their product is business as usual, but even more so.
Also, I don't know if the fact that male superheroes are built like brick shithouses is really a good comparison to female superheroes being siliconed-up sex vampires, in terms of sexist portrayal. When I think of a sexist portrayal of a dude demonstrating a dismissal of all dude-kind, I think more of the bumbling idiot sitcom dad, the beer-commercial Normal Guy who craves nothing but beer and chicks and sports coverage, or the Lifetime television 'all men are abusive dicks' portrayal, or...basically a guy acting like the guy in that panel (I assume that's Red Hood?). I find that sort of shit a lot more off-putting than flying bodybuilders...though maybe I'd feel differently if bodybuilders were actually fetishized by women as much as the Hollywood Female Physique is by the media. I always got the impression that the average woman thought of steroid-abusing dudes less as super-hot sex studs and more as kinda weirdo freaks- which is what the average dude thinks of them as well for the most part.
(Also I've never read a J. Scott Campbell book and would gladly give him shit if somebody happened to bring him up in conversation the same way this DC sexist thing has been brought up in conversation. I don't know about the plot or dialogue, but the way he draws women is really off-putting for some reason I can't quite put my finger on. They always look like someone could just wrap one hand around their midsection and just snap them in half or something.)
Basically my thoughts, and the addendum that the article makes a good point about creating "plausible" reasons for why so many of the characters are raving emotionless nymphos. Making a character a stripper, or a sex slave, or a prostitute, is only inventive when it isn't being used for every other heroine. And usually, it feels less like an intrinsic element of the character and more like an excuse.
It's also worth noting that the argument isn't necessarily about realism. It's about a specific kind of unrealistic, and what that says about the property, the writer, the company, and the reader. Batman is the CEO of a multi-billion dollar empire, attends share-holder meetings, hosts huge parties, is devastatingly handsome, highly sociable, desirable, impossibly fit, super-intelligent, and basically amazing at anything he does. That's unrealistic. It's also extraordinarily empowering. Very few female heroes get portrayed that same way. You can have a powerful heroine, but that doesn't make her empowered, especially if you're going to be portraying her in a bunch of creepy fanservice shots.
'dit: Oh godammit get out of the way, reply button, not yet.
any body here use col erase pencils? is there a mechanical pencil lead similar? The col erase pencils hold a point for about 3 lines. I know pentel has a .5 blue but they only have a blue. I like to use multiple colors- roughs, refining etc.
Pentel has red ones as well according to Dick Blick...beyond that you might have to do some research on where animators (or at least, foreign animators) get their supplies, because I always see anime/outsourced shows using what looks to be multiple colors of lead in their pencil roughs, and I think mechanical pencils are preferred for most of that work (could be totally wrong, though).
Also I hated using those Col-Erase pencils- the sharpening thing is a pain, and I just hate the feel of how they go down on paper. I know they're popular with animators doing roughs because of they don't reproduce on a Xerox machine, but I think I'd rather just use the lightbox to do the final lines on a fresh sheet of paper than deal with drawing with them.
Funnily enough I was having a play with one of these in store just now, they're pretty rad and seem to run pretty smoothly. Probably the most usable tablet I've seen, but yeah, the price is a killer.
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NappuccinoSurveyor of Things and StuffRegistered Userregular
What do you guys thing of those woodless graphite pencils?
any body here use col erase pencils? is there a mechanical pencil lead similar? The col erase pencils hold a point for about 3 lines. I know pentel has a .5 blue but they only have a blue. I like to use multiple colors- roughs, refining etc.
I decided to go looking for critique elsewhere, just to see what another pair of trained eyes had to say about my stuff. So i asked my friend's fiancee, an illustrator.
I got "umm maybe try a 30 characters in 30 days challenge? I dunno." Really, nothing more specific? Like what about my line quality? Or the weight? Did i nail the lighting? How about my colors? You really have nothing more to say?
It made me appreciate a community like this even more.
I think people online are much more bold with their critique because there's less fear of backlash.
Walls in my bedroom are all sealed up now. Going to put the tinted primer and top coat on this evening and then the room is all done. Just have to wait for the new furniture to show up.
Also, when you ask someone for a cold crit, without a frame of reference for where you're coming from as an artist, they're going to err on the side of whatever they think is the most socially graceful way to give it. There is a baseline of forthrightness here that's pretty easy to pick up on if you spend 10 minutes looking at threads, so obviously someone who's giving a crit is going to pull fewer punches. That's clearly the acceptable code of conduct around here.
There's also the fact that she's a social peer, who probably is not, in fact, an art instructor, so her natural response is going to be to avoid condescension as much as possible.
I always found that the forums was one of the better places to get crits, Because I've encountered both people who were unnecessarily harsh at school, and people who just didn't have much to say. "Try a challenge" isn't a terrible critique though, even if she wasn't great at articulating it.
Critique, and in general writing about art, is certainly something that not all people do well.
Woah! I just found out that Disney's 'Atlantis: the Lost Empire's art style, was based on Mike Mignola's style! That explains so much, that movie had me spellbound and pretty much defined my tastes (steampunk, victorian edwardian, pulp science fiction, Lovecraft, my interest in mythology, history, archeology, ancient cultures the whole bunch). Wooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Ah that first image didn't load last time I was in here. I like them, CC, though they seem like they would fit more in a modern, concrete floor kind of room. I suppose my only reference for whats going on in that space is alot of shoes on the ground, and carpet, though.
Have we done this in the AC? Post your handwriting?
Ah that first image didn't load last time I was in here. I like them, CC, though they seem like they would fit more in a modern, concrete floor kind of room. I suppose my only reference for whats going on in that space is alot of shoes on the ground, and carpet, though.
Have we done this in the AC? Post your handwriting?
MustangArbiter of Unpopular OpinionsRegistered Userregular
edited September 2011
Bleargh...I have horrible handwriting. My high school art teacher had the most beautiful handwriting I've ever seen. You could have turned it into a typeface.
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Basically my thoughts, and the addendum that the article makes a good point about creating "plausible" reasons for why so many of the characters are raving emotionless nymphos. Making a character a stripper, or a sex slave, or a prostitute, is only inventive when it isn't being used for every other heroine. And usually, it feels less like an intrinsic element of the character and more like an excuse.
It's also worth noting that the argument isn't necessarily about realism. It's about a specific kind of unrealistic, and what that says about the property, the writer, the company, and the reader. Batman is the CEO of a multi-billion dollar empire, attends share-holder meetings, hosts huge parties, is devastatingly handsome, highly sociable, desirable, impossibly fit, super-intelligent, and basically amazing at anything he does. That's unrealistic. It's also extraordinarily empowering. Very few female heroes get portrayed that same way. You can have a powerful heroine, but that doesn't make her empowered, especially if you're going to be portraying her in a bunch of creepy fanservice shots.
'dit: Oh godammit get out of the way, reply button, not yet.
The worst bit of this was the reactions of the panelists when that girl came up to every panel at comiccon and asked what the fuck. >:
I feel like I should make you something for them
I know I'll make you a drawing why not
you can expect it in like 5 years or something
I want him to narrate my life story.
take your pick
they're both in the doodle thread
promise victory
E: jesus no, totp
http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/31/samsung-series-7-slate-specs-release-date-hands-on/
Uh, why didn't we do this sooner?
Ultimate Spiderman can stay, I guess.
Googling hasn't gotten me much.
Also I hated using those Col-Erase pencils- the sharpening thing is a pain, and I just hate the feel of how they go down on paper. I know they're popular with animators doing roughs because of they don't reproduce on a Xerox machine, but I think I'd rather just use the lightbox to do the final lines on a fresh sheet of paper than deal with drawing with them.
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Funnily enough I was having a play with one of these in store just now, they're pretty rad and seem to run pretty smoothly. Probably the most usable tablet I've seen, but yeah, the price is a killer.
JetPens
I like this one 'cause it doesn't break all the time.
I got "umm maybe try a 30 characters in 30 days challenge? I dunno." Really, nothing more specific? Like what about my line quality? Or the weight? Did i nail the lighting? How about my colors? You really have nothing more to say?
It made me appreciate a community like this even more.
Walls in my bedroom are all sealed up now. Going to put the tinted primer and top coat on this evening and then the room is all done. Just have to wait for the new furniture to show up.
There's also the fact that she's a social peer, who probably is not, in fact, an art instructor, so her natural response is going to be to avoid condescension as much as possible.
Critique, and in general writing about art, is certainly something that not all people do well.
edit: http://web.me.com/chong621/ChongToons/ChongToons_Blog!/Entries/2008/11/30_Entry_1_files/Atlantis.pdf
ARoghhghllglhlh gurgle gurgle
Actually the middle was maybe 1/16th-1/8th of an inch higher than the ends, but I doubt that is what is making it look curved in the picture.
Have we done this in the AC? Post your handwriting?
I know EWA has boss handwriting.
even worse is that this is actually a font
my normal writing is much more irregular
Also Rolo:
You all made fun of me.