There are two points I feel like shouldn't be forgotten :
1) NoA is NOT responsible for publishing these games. NoJ is in charge of publishing them in Japan, but that doesn't mean NoA has the ability to publish it in America.
Nintendo owns Monolithsoft. They are part of Nintendo. Xenoblade is exactly the same as if HAL, Intelligent Systems or Retro made a game. Nintendo owns 100% of it.
I don't know about The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, but Nintendo seems to have been involved in the production of both games, which means they probably own the rights to them. That's almost always the case.
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There are two points I feel like shouldn't be forgotten :
1) NoA is NOT responsible for publishing these games. NoJ is in charge of publishing them in Japan, but that doesn't mean NoA has the ability to publish it in America.
Nintendo owns Monolithsoft. They are part of Nintendo. Xenoblade is exactly the same as if HAL, Intelligent Systems or Retro made a game. Nintendo owns 100% of it.
I don't know about The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, but Nintendo seems to have been involved in the production of both games, which means they probably own the rights to them. That's almost always the case.
Nintendo published both Last Story and Pandora's Tower in Japan
There are two points I feel like shouldn't be forgotten :
1) NoA is NOT responsible for publishing these games. NoJ is in charge of publishing them in Japan, but that doesn't mean NoA has the ability to publish it in America.
Nintendo owns Monolithsoft. They are part of Nintendo. Xenoblade is exactly the same as if HAL, Intelligent Systems or Retro made a game. Nintendo owns 100% of it.
I don't know about The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, but Nintendo seems to have been involved in the production of both games, which means they probably own the rights to them. That's almost always the case.
Nintendo published both Last Story and Pandora's Tower in Japan
Wait a minute. I just heard about Monolith Soft's other project, Soma Bringer, which I am told is a Diablo clone with multiplayer co-op. Forget Last Story! They should bring this over here instead! Never mind it's a two year-old DS game! I need something to mull over obsessively before Diablo 3 arrives.
'Updates' could mean anything. They don't have to pertain to these three titles. I would just continue preordering, adding them to your wishlist, write letters and whatnot to gain widespread attention and bash some sense into NoA until they release an offical press statement.
As for Panora's Tower though, I'm not exactly expecting that to see an enligsh translation at all. It is very weird -a vegetarian having to eat monster meat to stop her from transforming? OK....
Wait a minute. I just heard about Monolith Soft's other project, Soma Bringer, which I am told is a Diablo clone with multiplayer co-op. Forget Last Story! They should bring this over here instead! Never mind it's a two year-old DS game! I need something to mull over obsessively before Diablo 3 arrives.
Ive checked out the fan translation of Soma Bringer, its a pretty mediocre game.
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Xenoblade is a good game, but publishing it now is questionable. Publishing a game isn't cheap, and NoA is probably right that it won't sell. If only you guys were up in arms about this two years ago.
Or they just looked at the number of comments and thought people are really, really, really excited about Mario & Sonic at the Olympics and/or Sonic's 20th birthday.
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Xenoblade is a good game, but publishing it now is questionable. Publishing a game isn't cheap, and NoA is probably right that it won't sell. If only you guys were up in arms about this two years ago.
It would be silly to be up in arms about this two years ago since back then Nintendo seemed to be localizing it.
I would think that Nintendo Twitter post is in regards to the streetpass events they hold. They just did a fairly big one today or yesterday.
And considering the OP already mentions the unlikelihood of internet outrage working in any way, is it really necessary for people to continually point that out?
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I just wish NoA would just explain some of their thinking. Their localization track record has been absolutely pitiful lately, leaving a number of games on shelves (including sequels to titles that did reach the US, like Hotel Dusk and Trace Memory). Back in the GameCube days Nintendo was selling far fewer systems and games, making far less money, and yet taking far more risks. We'd never see Fire Emblem or Chibi Robo or Advance Wars reach the US from current Nintendo. Even if the explanation is less than satisfactory, pulling back the curtain a bit would at least make the entire thing feel more considered and less spiteful (which I now it's not).
The circumstances behind Mother 3 made sense to varying degrees. The circumstances behind these don't. They could have hit a home run and used these games to branch the time between now and Zelda and between Zelda and the Wii U, but instead there's a huge gaping hole in the release schedule where there's basically nothing.
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I'm still mad at Nintendo for not releasing Giftpia.
It's pretty much unforgivable.
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Well, maybe the Wii U will bomb and then Nintendo will go out like Sega.
Well, maybe the Wii U will bomb and then Nintendo will go out like Sega.
Poetic justice.
I'd love to not have to buy a console just for Zelda and Mario games and just be able to play them on something else.
As sad as I was when Sega dropped out of the console market, I feel it actually worked out better since I didn't have to buy a console for the few Sega games I wanted.
Well, maybe the Wii U will bomb and then Nintendo will go out like Sega.
Poetic justice.
As much as I could feel like an asshole for agreeing, I agree. I'm tired of Nintendo's take on consoles this generation and nothing looks like it'll change next gen. I'd much rather them stick to handhelds.
Hearing the lack of a standardized/mandated internal hard drive (lol flash memory), no decent XBLA/PSN/Steam-level online service outlined (*oh noes, we have to protect the children!), a new controller that only one person can use (nevermind it looks uncomfortable as fuck and lacks analog sticks), and being a generation behind (especially depending on how soon the PS4/720 come out). Then there's their complete lack of localizing their own 2nd party games of studios they own, let alone localizing the third party games they themselves choose to publish.
I've lost faith in Nintendo and consoles.
*The same children that are cursing up a storm when you play any Call of Duty game online.
Where were you fucks when I tried to rally support to get the true untranslated Nintendo RPG gem bought over from Japan?
Not really. That is not really that I never bothered the futile attempt. I'm still sure it would be a gem.
Also agreeing with all the cries of anguish for the SKIP games we never got. Giftpia looked amazing, was shown in translated form at an E3, and then dropped silently without a word. Rage.
That's an odd thing to say. Maybe I'm not feeling the same way because there's many facets of the company that fall under the banner of "Nintendo". I can't lump everything into one group.
For instance, I doubt someone like Miyamoto has much participation in the inner workings of the North American sales and marketing department. He just wants to make his games and plan future ones. His indifference to something like online play... well, we really haven't the foggiest on how that impacts the decisions.
And not bringing over Japanese titles? Could be the work of a collective, or be due to some sort of influence from NoA, or be out of sheer ignorance. But the point we're proving with this whole operation is that Nintendo, of all regions, is being made aware of the public thirst for these titles.
Suffice to say, there HAVE been attempts at bringing over very Japanese games to the states that have been met with lackluster sales. Monster Hunter Tri, No More Heroes 1&2, Sin and Punishment 2. Last year they launched a massive campaign for Dragon Quest 9 and it was met with okay sales. And remember when Ouendan got a full makeover into Elite Beat Agents? A critical darling, but it performed under expectations. So it's not without reason that sometimes when looking to the future the major heads of deciding if to localize look at prior history for guidance.
This time, people are speaking with their wallets. The Amazon pre-orders just need to maintain their top spot and word-of-mouth needs to keep going for this to not bleep out of existence.
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We'd never see Fire Emblem or Chibi Robo or Advance Wars reach the US from current Nintendo.
Ehhhh, I don't see why not.
We continued to get those games' sequels for many years, I think the clunky Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon was the most recent. They brought over Starfy on DS in 2009 (the first one to make it overseas) and Glory of Heracles in 2010 (ditto, from a long-standing series in Japan), both of which probably had lackluster sales. We had both Sin and Punishment and Endless Ocean published by Nintendo in 2010, which were incredibly niche titles. They're still releasing the games that are their responsibility to release.
They just haven't released this trio here yet. And who knows, maybe they have been planning on releasing them here too, and the whole project is premature outrage. I'm not saying that's likely, just that we don't know for sure.
Suffice to say, there HAVE been attempts at bringing over very Japanese games to the states that have been met with lackluster sales. Monster Hunter Tri, No More Heroes 1&2
I bought those. Hell, I basically bought a Wii for those games.
The irony here is that I imported my Wii from the US this time round due to a combination of cheaper prices, earlier releases and for titles that might not of made it over to Australia at all.
That said, I did my part and stuck it in the cart.
If all else fails, those PAL sales are going to get a boost.
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Endless Ocean was a strange one, at least in the UK. It was released as a half-price game and actually stormed up the charts as a casual and relaxing 'experience'. It obviously wasn't toppling the AAA powerhouses, but also had a fraction of the budget. The sequel? Released at full price with limited stock, and it was rare to even see the online retailers carry it for long.
Is there some rule saying only one Western Nintendo branch must be competent at any one time?
As for Endless Ocean 1-2. Valve's Portal series is kinda the same way. Release fun budget title people enjoy. Suddenly sell the next one at full game price.
Is there some rule saying only one Western Nintendo branch must be competent at any one time?
As for Endless Ocean 1-2. Valve's Portal series is kinda the same way. Release fun budget title people enjoy. Suddenly sell the next one at full game price.
Uh, Valve's philosophy is very different from Nintendo. Valve is going to keep on slashing the price of Portal 2, including it as a freebie in bundles and eventually it may even become freeware. Nintendo tries to keep the price of its software high to train their users to pay a premium for the Nintendo brand.
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Well, maybe the Wii U will bomb and then Nintendo will go out like Sega.
Poetic justice.
As much as I could feel like an asshole for agreeing, I agree. I'm tired of Nintendo's take on consoles this generation and nothing looks like it'll change next gen. I'd much rather them stick to handhelds.
Hearing the lack of a standardized/mandated internal hard drive (lol flash memory), no decent XBLA/PSN/Steam-level online service outlined (*oh noes, we have to protect the children!), a new controller that only one person can use (nevermind it looks uncomfortable as fuck and lacks analog sticks), and being a generation behind (especially depending on how soon the PS4/720 come out). Then there's their complete lack of localizing their own 2nd party games of studios they own, let alone localizing the third party games they themselves choose to publish.
I've lost faith in Nintendo and consoles.
*The same children that are cursing up a storm when you play any Call of Duty game online.
1. The WiiU supports USB external harddrives, so where's the problem?
2. The controller has the circle pads similar in design to the 3DS, which in many ways, is superior to analog sticks.
3. For all the bad decisions Nintendo makes, they make equally awesome decisions. I mean heck, they commissioned Treasure to make S&P2 due to fan demand, released it in the US, even though I'm sure they knew the game was super niche and would bomb. (Pro hint: It did)
Nintendo have their faults, but I wouldn't want to game in a world without Nintendo. The Wii has been my favorite console this generation, and it's had some of the best games of the generation on it. If you don't like what they do, then don't buy the next system, I'm not sure why you would want the company to fall and take away those experiences from people that enjoy them.
The circumstances behind Mother 3 made sense to varying degrees. The circumstances behind these don't. They could have hit a home run and used these games to branch the time between now and Zelda and between Zelda and the Wii U, but instead there's a huge gaping hole in the release schedule where there's basically nothing.
A home run? Please. Any of these games in this "massive" campaign would be lucky to sell 50,000 copies in the US.
Also I am just glad we get split controllers for another generation on at least one of the consoles, since they are awesome and way more comfortable than regular controllers.
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I don't know about The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, but Nintendo seems to have been involved in the production of both games, which means they probably own the rights to them. That's almost always the case.
Nintendo published both Last Story and Pandora's Tower in Japan
The plot dickens...
As for Panora's Tower though, I'm not exactly expecting that to see an enligsh translation at all. It is very weird -a vegetarian having to eat monster meat to stop her from transforming? OK....
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Ive checked out the fan translation of Soma Bringer, its a pretty mediocre game.
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It would be silly to be up in arms about this two years ago since back then Nintendo seemed to be localizing it.
Nintendo's claim with that was that it was also a buggy mess and Tecmo refused to fix the bugs without being paid to by Nintendo.
And considering the OP already mentions the unlikelihood of internet outrage working in any way, is it really necessary for people to continually point that out?
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I'd love to not have to buy a console just for Zelda and Mario games and just be able to play them on something else.
As sad as I was when Sega dropped out of the console market, I feel it actually worked out better since I didn't have to buy a console for the few Sega games I wanted.
As much as I could feel like an asshole for agreeing, I agree. I'm tired of Nintendo's take on consoles this generation and nothing looks like it'll change next gen. I'd much rather them stick to handhelds.
Hearing the lack of a standardized/mandated internal hard drive (lol flash memory), no decent XBLA/PSN/Steam-level online service outlined (*oh noes, we have to protect the children!), a new controller that only one person can use (nevermind it looks uncomfortable as fuck and lacks analog sticks), and being a generation behind (especially depending on how soon the PS4/720 come out). Then there's their complete lack of localizing their own 2nd party games of studios they own, let alone localizing the third party games they themselves choose to publish.
I've lost faith in Nintendo and consoles.
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Not really. That is not really that I never bothered the futile attempt. I'm still sure it would be a gem.
Also agreeing with all the cries of anguish for the SKIP games we never got. Giftpia looked amazing, was shown in translated form at an E3, and then dropped silently without a word. Rage.
For instance, I doubt someone like Miyamoto has much participation in the inner workings of the North American sales and marketing department. He just wants to make his games and plan future ones. His indifference to something like online play... well, we really haven't the foggiest on how that impacts the decisions.
And not bringing over Japanese titles? Could be the work of a collective, or be due to some sort of influence from NoA, or be out of sheer ignorance. But the point we're proving with this whole operation is that Nintendo, of all regions, is being made aware of the public thirst for these titles.
Suffice to say, there HAVE been attempts at bringing over very Japanese games to the states that have been met with lackluster sales. Monster Hunter Tri, No More Heroes 1&2, Sin and Punishment 2. Last year they launched a massive campaign for Dragon Quest 9 and it was met with okay sales. And remember when Ouendan got a full makeover into Elite Beat Agents? A critical darling, but it performed under expectations. So it's not without reason that sometimes when looking to the future the major heads of deciding if to localize look at prior history for guidance.
This time, people are speaking with their wallets. The Amazon pre-orders just need to maintain their top spot and word-of-mouth needs to keep going for this to not bleep out of existence.
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Ehhhh, I don't see why not.
We continued to get those games' sequels for many years, I think the clunky Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon was the most recent. They brought over Starfy on DS in 2009 (the first one to make it overseas) and Glory of Heracles in 2010 (ditto, from a long-standing series in Japan), both of which probably had lackluster sales. We had both Sin and Punishment and Endless Ocean published by Nintendo in 2010, which were incredibly niche titles. They're still releasing the games that are their responsibility to release.
They just haven't released this trio here yet. And who knows, maybe they have been planning on releasing them here too, and the whole project is premature outrage. I'm not saying that's likely, just that we don't know for sure.
I bought those. Hell, I basically bought a Wii for those games.
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That said, I did my part and stuck it in the cart.
If all else fails, those PAL sales are going to get a boost.
wait, what? because they haven't brought some games over to the us they deserve to lose so much money they can't compete in the console market?
As for Endless Ocean 1-2. Valve's Portal series is kinda the same way. Release fun budget title people enjoy. Suddenly sell the next one at full game price.
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Uh, Valve's philosophy is very different from Nintendo. Valve is going to keep on slashing the price of Portal 2, including it as a freebie in bundles and eventually it may even become freeware. Nintendo tries to keep the price of its software high to train their users to pay a premium for the Nintendo brand.
1. The WiiU supports USB external harddrives, so where's the problem?
2. The controller has the circle pads similar in design to the 3DS, which in many ways, is superior to analog sticks.
3. For all the bad decisions Nintendo makes, they make equally awesome decisions. I mean heck, they commissioned Treasure to make S&P2 due to fan demand, released it in the US, even though I'm sure they knew the game was super niche and would bomb. (Pro hint: It did)
Nintendo have their faults, but I wouldn't want to game in a world without Nintendo. The Wii has been my favorite console this generation, and it's had some of the best games of the generation on it. If you don't like what they do, then don't buy the next system, I'm not sure why you would want the company to fall and take away those experiences from people that enjoy them.
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A home run? Please. Any of these games in this "massive" campaign would be lucky to sell 50,000 copies in the US.
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