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[True Blood]...what is going on?

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    re: 'What happened to Eric'
    He's a viking. Sometimes a viking just has to rip chunks off a dude.
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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Yeah he did kind of start the war there.
    I also thought it was cool how every other witch was just invisible, and they just sort of appeared. It was a good effect.

    I think that Pam's one liner responses to orders from Bill have run their course. I just shivered when I heard her yell "This is so fucking lame." I'll admit that I chuckled a little but it left a bitter taste.

    I'm also mad that they stretch out the dreamlike sexcapades of Sookie and Eric and then crunch in the beginnings of the witch/vamp war into one quick 5-7 minute sequence. I like softcore porn as much as the next guy but I'm trying to see this story play out more.

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  • CowSharkCowShark Registered User regular
    Look, HBO paid those actors to get their clothes off, and they're getting their money's worth.

  • ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User regular
    I'm on the witches' side, the offer Bill gave Antonia was fucking lame:
    Requesting to remove the curse she put on two persons who tried to attack her in return for not sending more people to attack?

    Not even some reassurance about making sure that other humans that are attacked by vampires are avenged.

    I was kinda expecting him to say something about how he'd personally stake any vampire that from has attacked humans.

  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    He'd have to stake a lot if vampires if that was the deal. No way the Authority would be down with that. Looks like Bill's reign as king won't last terribly long.

    Also, fuck yeah with Antonia being awesome and powerful. Why couldn't they have Lafayette be an apprentice to her so I can see awesome magic on a regular basis?

    When he dies, I hope they write "Worst Affirmative Action Hire, EVER" on his grave. His corpse should be trolled.
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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    I don't know, I think Bill's still going to get huge points for saving the lives of every vampire in a twenty mile radius.

  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    I don't know, I think Bill's still going to get huge points for saving the lives of every vampire in a twenty mile radius.

    Ding ding ding. I was really surprised when Antonia was flipping out that they only killed one vampire. I thought a lot more died and they only showed the one but when it turned out to be just the one domestic, I'd be pissed too.

    Regarding Hoyt/Jessica/Jason
    Hoyt's a good actor. I felt sick of him as soon as Jessica explained her side and that she wanted to leave. I am now in full Jason/Jessica getting it on mode. I hope Jason re-invites her to his house.

  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    I love the massive difference in how Jessica's dream played out, and how the real thing went down.

    Any bets on Vampire Hoyt this season?

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    I'm still bummed about Jason not being a were. Him getting turned to a vampire would be an ok consolation prize. I think Hoyt is on his way out of the regular cast, though.

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  • Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    How about psycho vampire Hoyt? Jason has to put him down before he kills Jessica.

    What am I thinking, they only put Tara through that kind of fuckedupedness.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    The were-things are actually one of the more boring aspects of the show for me. Being able to turn into a wolf isn't that impressive when one of the principle characters can turn into any animal at all.

  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    The were-things are actually one of the more boring aspects of the show for me. Being able to turn into a wolf isn't that impressive when one of the principle characters can turn into any animal at all.

    Same, when they brought in weres I wasn't very impressed because my favorite character of the show is Sam, and he can turn into anything that isn't human. Unless he kills Tommy. Then it would be aweeeeeeeeeeesommme.

  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    I'm guessing that the Pack Leader will kill Tommy while he's in Sam's form, and then Alcide will kill the Pack Leader and get stuck as pack leader himself.

  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    I stopped caring about what happens in this show. I mean, it never had much substance, but now it's just characters I don't give a shit about having a small tussle with each other to create artificial suspense. Meanwhile, Sookie is almost entirely removed from the conflict and spends all her time naked with Eric Northman, who traded badass for autistic. What happened to the fairy storyline? I liked the idea of exploring a new, fairly interesting supernatural species.

    I was already fast-forwarding through the show, skipping bits I didn't enjoy, but from now on I'll be doing something else while this show plays in the background. Here's my take on this season:
    I'm bored with the war veteran and his wife the waitress. That plot was just taking up valuable screen-time. They introduced the basic premise to the plot in the first episode and then had the characters doing nothing for seven episodes, just panicking and having absolutely no control over their situation. That's okay, though. I realized fairly early on that nothing was happening and fast-forwarded.

    I'm not so forgiving about the Jason plot, which was promising, with him being abducted and traumatized. Then he escaped and everything went back to the way it was within a few episodes. It's like the whole thing never happened, and instead Jason is now apparently in a love triangle that was introduced only two episodes ago. Where is his personal growth?

    And Tara! Why is she even in this show? Her story is basically over. She was horribly traumatized by her experiences and finally left Bon Temps, like how a battered wife leaves an abusive husband. And now she's involved in a war, apparently, for no obvious reason. She came to visit Sookie, and stayed around for more trauma. Stuff is just happening to her, and she is just along for the ride. She contributes nothing to and has no personal stake in the witch-vampire conflict. Instead, she's just around, providing an unnecessary POV.

    Lafayette is in a similar position. I had some hope he'd come to master his abilities and finally gain some agency in the plot and some control over his life. Instead, he wants nothing to do with any of it, the result of which is that he's on the sidelines looking in, being pushed around by the bigger players. Mysteriously, he managed to extricate himself from the witch-vampire conflict, and became involved with the ghost doll plot, which he had nothing to do with.He was hijacked by the ghost, which sums up his entire character: Stuff happens to him.

    Alcide and Debbie are so far removed from the conflict, any conflict, they shouldn't even be in this show.

    Sam and Tommy are basically repeating last season, in a slightly different jacket. They become close and then Tommy proves himself to be a selfish, immoral dick. They fight.

    Vampire Bill lost the humanity and internal conflict that endeared us to him. And then he became a civil servant. Currently, he's reacting to events he has no personal stake in.

    I like Jessica, though, and I care about what happens to her. Her storyline is about being a fledgling vampire with needs struggling with monogamy with the nice but boring man-child. She grows and changes as a character, and her relationship with Hoyt strains and finally breaks. She's rejected by all her human friends and will likely become more vampirish as a result. Her story fairly interesting, much more so than everything else in the show recently, and progresses as a result of her actions and desires.

    Pam is great. I mean, she's not a full character by any definition of the word, but I like her attitude and I'm eagerly awaiting the scene where she rips through witches as if they were wet toilet paper. She has a real stake in the war, what with her face rotting from her skull, and her loyalty to Eric Northman is endearing.

    Eric needs his badass back. His puppy attitude (with the occasional rampage) isn't adorable or endearing to me. Instead, it just makes me want back the cool, controlled Eric Northman that built a fucking dungeon under his nightclub. His relationship with Sookie is... well, they fuck a lot. I never cared about Eric as a love interest to the very boring Sookie, and I don't to see it become his entire character. Especially now that he's been neutered. Also, stop being naked.

    Sookie is taking a break this season. She returned from the fairy desert world and has been playing (psychiatric) nurse. Meanwhile, stuff she's not involved with happened in the background, and then she started doing Eric, like all the time. And then she decides to fight in the war, because she wants to support Eric and Bill the bureaucrat. Or something. I don't know. The show doesn't seem to care, so why should I? She was never a riveting character, but now she's not even involved with the plot anymore. On the other hand, boobies, so there.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Yeah, at this point I'd be pretty cool with Sookie being written out entirely. She's the Doctor's Companion, basically, except that Jessica, Jason, and Lafayette do that so much better.

  • useless4useless4 Registered User regular
    I think a vampire / witch / were full on war would have been great for two or three episodes.

    From the perspective of the humans who couldn't get out.

    Sort'a like 30 Days of Night holed up in the bar but more like what we saw in the final moments of last night.

    Like season 2 but instead of orgies just death. On a Transformers (animated movie) level.
    You could have Tommy stepping up trying to get them to safety by shifting into Eric or something and trying to get them out and getting ate instead.

    Oh I can hope.

  • pyromaniac221pyromaniac221 this just might be an interestin YTRegistered User regular
    edited August 2011
    So I'm 7 episodes into the first season. They earned my loyalty with "But I have gout of the dick!"

    Also Jason is a fuckmuppet.


    e: Actually, everyone is fucking insane in this show

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    So how about that Lafayette just leaving a baby to the mercy of a creepy ass spirit? Asshole.

    Eric ripped out a throat when it was clear the witches weren't going to play ball...of the WRONG WITCH. Idiot.

    Bill calls in the human hit squad then...they all just stand there. Idiots.

    The vampires stop to chat/feed instead of killing/running away. Idiots.

    The witches attack plan was...fog. Idiots.

    Jessica is pissing away happiness (probably) because she's a vampire. Idiot.

    Hoyt doesn't end up begging and dead, which is good, but ends up pissed off and goes too far displaying his displeasure. Almost understandable, but- idiot.

    Sookie is being Sookie - Least she's naked doing it, but: Idiot.

    Jason kisses Jessica (Idi...ok, can't blame the guy), but then so far realizes it's pretty fucked up and does the right thing. WINNER!

    Pam utters exactly what I was thinking when Bill stopped her from killing Tara. WINNER!

    So we have 2 winners and a bunch of morons and/or things that are just stupid. Hoyt will probably come around (or not), Jessica may or may not descend into needing to be wiped out along with almost every other vampire, and the rest can just die. Eric can stick around if he gets his memory back, but he deserves death so whatever they wanna do.

    Not happy with these developments.

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    TeaSpoon wrote:
    I stopped caring about what happens in this show. I mean, it never had much substance, but now it's just characters I don't give a shit about having a small tussle with each other to create artificial suspense. Meanwhile, Sookie is almost entirely removed from the conflict and spends all her time naked with Eric Northman, who traded badass for autistic. What happened to the fairy storyline? I liked the idea of exploring a new, fairly interesting supernatural species.

    I was already fast-forwarding through the show, skipping bits I didn't enjoy, but from now on I'll be doing something else while this show plays in the background. Here's my take on this season:
    And Tara! Why is she even in this show? Her story is basically over. She was horribly traumatized by her experiences and finally left Bon Temps, like how a battered wife leaves an abusive husband. And now she's involved in a war, apparently, for no obvious reason. She came to visit Sookie, and stayed around for more trauma. Stuff is just happening to her, and she is just along for the ride. She contributes nothing to and has no personal stake in the witch-vampire conflict. Instead, she's just around, providing an unnecessary POV.

    Huh, you must have missed the part where she gets a reason while you were fast forwarding.
    Your obvious Tara hate has blinded you perhaps? Tara had a fairly old vampire threaten to torture her lover, kill her, then torture her, and kill her. That is about a big a reason as any and definitely a personal stake. Tara also has known the very dark side of a vampire, she has seen how they can be weakened and killed, and has taken steps to be a more warrior like character in regards to vampires rather than just humans as seen in Season 1. She is a very well developed character but I also don't want to see her cry again, ever - the scene when she broke up with her girlfriend was painful.

    There was plenty of other stuff to disagree with in that spoiler in that post but at this point, that would just be opinion A and opposing opinion B, what would be the point, you've already said you pretty much stopped watching the show. My wife and I don't fast forward anything, I think there are parts she would want to put in slow mo actually and I can't blame her. *shrugs*

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    Every time someone says they hate Tara, my love for her character grows.

    When he dies, I hope they write "Worst Affirmative Action Hire, EVER" on his grave. His corpse should be trolled.
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  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    You're probably right. I missed a lot of detail when I fast-forward, and I do dislike Tara, but here's my reasoning:
    Tara found a reason, after many episodes, for doing what she was already doing, which getting involved in vampire business. Before her grand epiphany, she was pulled along by events beyond her control. See the many, many scenes in which she implies or outright stated she wanted to get the fuck out of Bon Temps. Her actions weren't driven by vengeance or the need to confront her fears or anything that would develop her character. They were driven by external, very contrived forces, like being in Bon Temps at the wrong time and attending a coven meeting when Eric attacked.

    So, she stayed to keep her cousin from getting eaten. And she decided that the solution to that problem was to appease the vampire threatening her cousin (Pam). She asked Marni to un-curse Eric, which went very wrong and drew her deeper into shit. She freaked when Pam's face started melting and freaked again when Pam attacked her.

    This is just stuff happening to her and she doing her utmost best to stop stuff from happening to her. All she wants is for the problem to go away, so that she could go back to her happy life far away from Bon Temps. She has no agency in the plot and has no agenda to pursue.

    More importantly, the plot does not touch upon her inner conflict. Well, that's not entirely true, she stopped running away from herself and showed her girlfriend the real Tara Thornton (as opposed to Toni). She realized there was nothing in Bon Temps for her anymore and said her goodbyes before leaving it with her girlfriend, never to return.

    Wait, no, that's not what happened. No, stuff intervened. Stuff happened to her, again. Just like how stuff happened to her with Marianne and Franklin.

    That's what I mean with no agency in the plot. She is a leaf in the fucking wind. She has no reason to be in this story and all her efforts are turned towards not being in the story. Her personal journey basically ended when she left Bon Temps. After being abused for a long time, she finally found the courage to leave her abuser (Bon Temps) and allowed herself to be happy. Those two scenes with her girlfriend, before they were attacked by Pam, were a nice epilogue, I guess, but demonstrated pretty conclusively that her personal journey was over.

    The only reason she didn't leave is that she was PREVENTED from leaving by EXTERNAL forces. And now she has to fight a goddamn war.

    So, I ask, why is she even in the show if the story isn't going touch upon her inner conflict?

    As for the reason Tara has found for fighting, it's not vengeance. Yes, Marni is really pushing the vengeance aspect, but Tara just wants the bullies to stop hitting her. She even said so this episode, when she was surprised Marni made the vampires kill themselves (or vampire, singular). She didn't intend for that to happen. She just wanted to, I don't know, incapacitate them.

    So that she could finally leave.

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  • silverbuddysilverbuddy Registered User regular
    EDIT: Also at this point in the game, Sookie really should just keep a few vials of vampire blood on her as health potions.

    Lol quaffing pots to heal battle damage...genius!

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    EDIT: Also at this point in the game, Sookie really should just keep a few vials of vampire blood on her as health potions.

    Lol quaffing pots to heal battle damage...genius!

    Vampire blood has progressively gotten more and more crazy powerful in this show, to the point where it only takes a very small amount to heal serious injuries. In the first episode, Sookie had to drink a ton of Bill's blood to recover from the beating, but now, you down a small vial and you're good to go.

  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote:
    Eric ripped out a throat when it was clear the witches weren't going to play ball...of the WRONG WITCH. Idiot.

    Bill calls in the human hit squad then...they all just stand there. Idiots.

    Most of your items I was okay with on the basis that they made sense for the characters in question, even if it's because those characters are stupid. But the two items I left in the quote up there bugged me. I mean, neither of them should have happened.
    Why would Eric rip the throat out of a random henchperson instead of the boss lady? Why would the trained para-military dudes not open up on the target the second that fog started falling? If she'd bounced Eric and/or bullets off of a magical shield I'd have been okay with it, but instead we just have people being stupid for no apparent reason.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote:
    Eric ripped out a throat when it was clear the witches weren't going to play ball...of the WRONG WITCH. Idiot.

    Bill calls in the human hit squad then...they all just stand there. Idiots.

    Most of your items I was okay with on the basis that they made sense for the characters in question, even if it's because those characters are stupid. But the two items I left in the quote up there bugged me. I mean, neither of them should have happened.
    Why would Eric rip the throat out of a random henchperson instead of the boss lady? Why would the trained para-military dudes not open up on the target the second that fog started falling? If she'd bounced Eric and/or bullets off of a magical shield I'd have been okay with it, but instead we just have people being stupid for no apparent reason.

    Well.
    Eric was acting weird. Very weird. Like, he was all "we should run away and be happy" before the fight, then suddenly he was "murder every single bitch" at the battle. I kinda like the theory that he was still under Antonia's control, and she wanted a throwdown started by the vampires.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    EDIT: Also at this point in the game, Sookie really should just keep a few vials of vampire blood on her as health potions.

    Lol quaffing pots to heal battle damage...genius!

    cept. if a vampire catches you with a vial of vampire blood on you you're in shit deep trouble.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Why is everyone pissed at Jason? Concerning Jessica
    I would have been upset if he did do something with her. He has always said that Hoyt is his Bf and it would end their friendship if he did. He is tempted but stayed true. good for him!

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote:
    Why is everyone pissed at Jason? Concerning Jessica
    I would have been upset if he did do something with her. He has always said that Hoyt is his Bf and it would end their friendship if he did. He is tempted but stayed true. good for him!

    I don't think I've seen anyone who is busting Jason's chops for that. That is 100% Bro Code.

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Yeah, he's the only one who didn't do anything stupid in the episode. I fully expect him to cave eventually, but, I mean, it's like torture. Everyone breaks eventually. Poor Hoyt, though.

    Oh and:
    Why did Elcid show up at Sookies house (that just happened to be within earshot of the graveyard...)? I mean, other than because she's Sookie so of course he's madly in love with her?

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote:
    Yeah, he's the only one who didn't do anything stupid in the episode. I fully expect him to cave eventually, but, I mean, it's like torture. Everyone breaks eventually. Poor Hoyt, though.

    Oh and:
    Why did Elcid show up at Sookies house (that just happened to be within earshot of the graveyard...)? I mean, other than because she's Sookie so of course he's madly in love with her?

    I think you just answered your own question.
    He thought she needed help with the vampire/necromancer war thing, and Debbie was being just a little to psycho possessive bitch for his refined werewolf tastes. What I didn't get is why he didn't notice Debbie shadowing him.

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Debbie is actually in that 'just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you' place and acting fairly sane. Her fears of justified. There can be no happy people on this show, it seems. Terry will probably eat the baby next episode.

  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote:
    Terry will probably eat the baby next episode.

    Hahahahhahahahahaha

  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Xeddicus wrote:
    The baby will probably eat Terry and Arlene next episode.
    Fixed

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  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    The were-things are actually one of the more boring aspects of the show for me. Being able to turn into a wolf isn't that impressive when one of the principle characters can turn into any animal at all.

    This point will only be validated if Sam starts turning into anything even remotely interesting or powerful. A dog, a horse, and a bird aren't either of those things. I want a goddamned rhino or polar bear or something.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote:
    The were-things are actually one of the more boring aspects of the show for me. Being able to turn into a wolf isn't that impressive when one of the principle characters can turn into any animal at all.

    This point will only be validated if Sam starts turning into anything even remotely interesting or powerful. A dog, a horse, and a bird aren't either of those things. I want a goddamned rhino or polar bear or something.

    In season two he turned into a bull and gored someone... does that count?

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote:
    The were-things are actually one of the more boring aspects of the show for me. Being able to turn into a wolf isn't that impressive when one of the principle characters can turn into any animal at all.

    This point will only be validated if Sam starts turning into anything even remotely interesting or powerful. A dog, a horse, and a bird aren't either of those things. I want a goddamned rhino or polar bear or something.

    In season two he turned into a bull and gored someone... does that count?

    No because that was still super contrived, he didn't really fight in bull form or anything. I've bitched about this before a lot, I really wish he'd do something smart like fly over someone as a bird, turn into a blue whale to crush them and then like a fucking T-Rex to mop up survivors.

    Previously people would argue that he has to be able to see the animal to turn into it, but that clearly hasn't been true for a while now. He's just dumb I guess. I mean the scene in season 1 where he tries to fight Renee as a fucking dog, and not even a big dog, I mean come on...

  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote:
    The were-things are actually one of the more boring aspects of the show for me. Being able to turn into a wolf isn't that impressive when one of the principle characters can turn into any animal at all.

    This point will only be validated if Sam starts turning into anything even remotely interesting or powerful. A dog, a horse, and a bird aren't either of those things. I want a goddamned rhino or polar bear or something.

    In season two he turned into a bull and gored someone... does that count?

    A.) That scene was like 5 seconds long, and B.) he hardly moved at all. I don't consider a bull standing still in the middle of a road and slowly goring a willing victim very interesting. Do you?

    The only time I've ever genuinely been impressed by anything any of the shifters have done was...
    Tommy turning into a gater, and that was more for the comedic value of scaring the shit outta Andy.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    As far as I can tell, Sam's offensive capabilities aren't that great. The bull only worked because they were running a very specific con on the Maenad. He usually goes into dog form when he needs to fight, and Wolf > Domesticated Dog in terms of fighting power. Werewolves are portrayed as faster and stronger than humans under normal circumstances (but not as much so as vamps), and while Sam is tough, he's not really supernaturally so. His only other described power is some sort of accellerated healing. Well, and the ability to
    become a skinwalker if he kills Tommy.

  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    As far as I can tell, Sam's offensive capabilities aren't that great. The bull only worked because they were running a very specific con on the Maenad. He usually goes into dog form when he needs to fight, and Wolf > Domesticated Dog in terms of fighting power. Werewolves are portrayed as faster and stronger than humans under normal circumstances (but not as much so as vamps), and while Sam is tough, he's not really supernaturally so. His only other described power is some sort of accellerated healing. Well, and the ability to
    become a skinwalker if he kills Tommy.

    When you can theoretically turn into a 7000lb elephant, it doesn't matter how much greater the werewolves fighting capabilities are than humans.

  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote:
    As far as I can tell, Sam's offensive capabilities aren't that great. The bull only worked because they were running a very specific con on the Maenad. He usually goes into dog form when he needs to fight, and Wolf > Domesticated Dog in terms of fighting power. Werewolves are portrayed as faster and stronger than humans under normal circumstances (but not as much so as vamps), and while Sam is tough, he's not really supernaturally so. His only other described power is some sort of accellerated healing. Well, and the ability to
    become a skinwalker if he kills Tommy.

    When you can theoretically turn into a 7000lb elephant, it doesn't matter how much greater the werewolves fighting capabilities are than humans.

    This. I mean hell, go to the local zoo or something for a day. Boom! Gator, Gorrilla, Tigers, Lions, Sharks - all of nature's greatest murderers ready to roll.

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