Can arcane mages really do 15k dps just by casting the same spell over and over?
I've seen a Mage in a Zulroic pull 26k, 99% of which was Arcane Blast.
It sounds incredibly boring.
It's somewhat amusing in heroics, if only for the novelty of doing a bajillion damage with 1 spell. Most of the time I'm just waiting for the fun mobs that have decent buffs to spellsteal.
In raids it's a little (not much) more complicated since you actually have to manage your mana.
Every time I log in lately, I find myself thinking
"You know what would make this game fun? If it were fun again."
God.
A) Why do you subject yourself to something you no longer enjoy? Why do you feel the need to voice that opinion, as if it matters to anyone but yourself? It's a pity party for one here and I know I personally don't care.
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
edited July 2011
Yeah, fuck him for voicing his opinion.
Salt: Take a break from the game for a bit and see if that reinvigorates your desire to play.
MMOs are games where the fun you have or don't have is almost 100% dependent on what you want out of the game. I used to obsess over WoW, read shit about it online when I wasn't playing, I had to log on to make sure I did my daily heroics, couldn't miss a raid, etc., so it basically becomes part of a routine and then I get suffocated by it because I feel like if I don't log in I'm losing something tangible.
So I quit, come back, quit, come back. Then I finally quit during ICC and my wife and I decided we'd never play again. Of course, she got the itch to play again a couple months back so we picked up Cata and for some magic reason, probably that we're so god damned busy with grad school and work and can only play a couple hours a week on the weekend or so, we're having a wonderful time again. Just levelling through the newly revamped zones, enjoying the new UI features and stuff that have been put in, and just enjoying the game for what it is, with no compulsion to play other than when we just feel like it.
I'd say if you're not enjoying it, you have to just quit, or at the very least stay subscribed but just promise yourself you won't log in unless you actually just feel like you really want to, not need to. You'll either find a reason to want to log in or you'll realize you should cancel it so you're not paying for the sub.
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
Every time I log in lately, I find myself thinking
"You know what would make this game fun? If it were fun again."
God.
A) Why do you subject yourself to something you no longer enjoy? Why do you feel the need to voice that opinion, as if it matters to anyone but yourself? It's a pity party for one here and I know I personally don't care.
Why do you feel the need to voice this opinion? I certainly don't give one fuck what you think about my opinion.
Mostly, though, I am just struck by nostalgia lately.
MMOs are games where the fun you have or don't have is almost 100% dependent on what you want out of the game. I used to obsess over WoW, read shit about it online when I wasn't playing, I had to log on to make sure I did my daily heroics, couldn't miss a raid, etc., so it basically becomes part of a routine and then I get suffocated by it because I feel like if I don't log in I'm losing something tangible.
So I quit, come back, quit, come back. Then I finally quit during ICC and my wife and I decided we'd never play again. Of course, she got the itch to play again a couple months back so we picked up Cata and for some magic reason, probably that we're so god damned busy with grad school and work and can only play a couple hours a week on the weekend or so, we're having a wonderful time again. Just levelling through the newly revamped zones, enjoying the new UI features and stuff that have been put in, and just enjoying the game for what it is, with no compulsion to play other than when we just feel like it.
I'd say if you're not enjoying it, you have to just quit, or at the very least stay subscribed but just promise yourself you won't log in unless you actually just feel like you really want to, not need to. You'll either find a reason to want to log in or you'll realize you should cancel it so you're not paying for the sub.
I find that having a set goal when you log on each time to be very helpful in not getting that "Why am I playing?" feeling. You never get it because you always know why your logging on.
I employ a rule that I am not aloud to play on Saturday. At all. I don't log on for anything, even if my friends are pleading to run one more heroic. I've got other shit to do around the house, the beach to go to, anything but play on a saturday.
I also limit my time in game on Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday. Tuesday, Thursday, Friday I only play for 20 minutes to an hour usually. To do some dailies before going out for dinner with friends, or run BH. Sunday is a Raid night, but I don't log on till about 6 or 7, sometimes 15 minutes before Raid start.
If you are logging on because of habit, and then find yourself nothing to do then you need to set some new goals in the game if you want to continue playing. If your goals do not match the goals of the guild you are in, then find a new guild. If you simply do not care about killing Raid Bosses, getting 2000+ in Arena, getting your sweet looking mount from Rated BGs, Leveling every class to level 85, or collecting pets and mounts then this game has nothing for you and you should quit. Don't complain that there is nothing to do, because there are shit tons of stuff you could do. You just don't care to do them, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Edit: I do spend a lot of time outside the game thinking about the game though. But that is while at work, at an IT Desk Job where my responsibilities are making sure Switches and Servers are running with the occasional resetting of passwords. And Switches and Servers typically are set and forget for 90% of the time. So I get to spend a lot of time on Forums, looking through WoLs, and talking about Weightlifting(my other hobby).
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
edited July 2011
I can understand the WoW burn-out feeling. I've recently gotten into it again, but it has everything to do with the people I play with and nothing to do with the game.
I can understand the WoW burn-out feeling. I've recently gotten into it again, but it has everything to do with the people I play with and nothing to do with the game.
This is the only reason I still play. But there are times when I just dont feel like logging in during non raid hours as the single player aspect of this game is very limited and I just got done leveling another alt to 85 so only 2 classes left. Heh and they were my original toons to 60.
Same. I am trying to grind for gear and also gold and I am having a hard time deciding how to do either one. For now I am just doing random zandalari heroics, but I need money for DM:Volcano, enchants, and possibly some other stuff.
I have 525 mining, but the market seems so saturated that I'm not really sure what to mine for. Obsidium I guess? In Vash?
This game I'm forced to pay for isn't as fun for me anymore. I'm still going to log in though! Even if I don't, I'm definitely going to still post on the forums!
Same. I am trying to grind for gear and also gold and I am having a hard time deciding how to do either one. For now I am just doing random zandalari heroics, but I need money for DM:Volcano, enchants, and possibly some other stuff.
I have 525 mining, but the market seems so saturated that I'm not really sure what to mine for. Obsidium I guess? In Vash?
You are leveling a mage right? If you are arcane spec (and probably any spec), the PVP 371 honor gear is actually better than the 353 gear, since the honor gear has sooooo much more INT on it.
Same. I am trying to grind for gear and also gold and I am having a hard time deciding how to do either one. For now I am just doing random zandalari heroics, but I need money for DM:Volcano, enchants, and possibly some other stuff.
I have 525 mining, but the market seems so saturated that I'm not really sure what to mine for. Obsidium I guess? In Vash?
I really don't understand how people make money in this game. I've accumulated a fair pile now thanks to making scads of flasks a few months back and selling the odd truegold bar, but it seems that no sooner do I find a crafted item that sells well than the price drops to less than the mats to make it cost. How does this economy continue to function? If the finished product sells for less than the mats cost you, just put your mats up for sell! You'll make more money! In theory the price should eventually equalize. But apparently no one is doing this on my server. They just keep blindly making flasks and truegold and whatnot and drive the price down below the cost of making it.
Same. I am trying to grind for gear and also gold and I am having a hard time deciding how to do either one. For now I am just doing random zandalari heroics, but I need money for DM:Volcano, enchants, and possibly some other stuff.
I have 525 mining, but the market seems so saturated that I'm not really sure what to mine for. Obsidium I guess? In Vash?
I really don't understand how people make money in this game. I've accumulated a fair pile now thanks to making scads of flasks a few months back and selling the odd truegold bar, but it seems that no sooner do I find a crafted item that sells well than the price drops to less than the mats to make it cost. How does this economy continue to function? If the finished product sells for less than the mats cost you, just put your mats up for sell! You'll make more money! In theory the price should eventually equalize. But apparently no one is doing this on my server. They just keep blindly making flasks and truegold and whatnot and drive the price down below the cost of making it.
If its an item that people make while leveling the profession it is somewhat understandable, otherwise that is just weird.
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
I have 525 mining, but the market seems so saturated that I'm not really sure what to mine for. Obsidium I guess? In Vash?
I don't know how people make money with mining, either. I mean ... I feel like it's incredibly likely that I buy all of my ore from botters, because I usually end up buying 50-70 stacks at a time from a single seller, and I'm not ready to believe anyone hates themselves enough to do that regularly.
I really don't understand how people make money in this game.
I buy lots of ore, prospect it all, and then use the gems that result to craft things that disenchant into DEing materials (which i sell).
This is less profitable than it used to be (it's extremely difficult to move zephyrite, alicite, jasper, and they reduced them to 10g a stack, down from 100g a stack, to vendors), but carnelians into greater celestial essence + bold cardinal rubies usually cover or exceed the price of the ore, and everything else is gravy.
I'm leveling an alchemist, as well, to turn hessonites into ember topaz and nightstone into demon's eyes.
I make money on my warlock with the enchants people crave not power torrent but ones like spirit to bracers on vellums and cheap in the ah
My other warlock makes a boat load since I am in a price war over glyphs with two guilds I am under cutting them by at least 20%
Zephyrite seems to only sell well on days where it's the JC daily. I've seen it run for a couple of days in a row and most people are forced to buy it off the AH. Same with Jasper and Nightstone.
What I typically do is try to build up to a stack of say, 20, of each green quality gem that's used for the dailies on my DK and maintain it. Everything else gets shipped off to my transmute alchemist to get turned into the blue quality stones (or metas) and then shipped back to my JCer to cut and sell.
Same. I am trying to grind for gear and also gold and I am having a hard time deciding how to do either one. For now I am just doing random zandalari heroics, but I need money for DM:Volcano, enchants, and possibly some other stuff.
I have 525 mining, but the market seems so saturated that I'm not really sure what to mine for. Obsidium I guess? In Vash?
I really don't understand how people make money in this game. I've accumulated a fair pile now thanks to making scads of flasks a few months back and selling the odd truegold bar, but it seems that no sooner do I find a crafted item that sells well than the price drops to less than the mats to make it cost. How does this economy continue to function? If the finished product sells for less than the mats cost you, just put your mats up for sell! You'll make more money! In theory the price should eventually equalize. But apparently no one is doing this on my server. They just keep blindly making flasks and truegold and whatnot and drive the price down below the cost of making it.
I have made insane amount of money through market control. In BC I bought a few Nether Vortexes with badges, undercut some people and made some quick cash. Then I turned around and bought what was left and then re-listed them for a higher amount. After a week I had some substantial cash which allowed me to continue to buy out low cost goods and re-list.
A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
by itself, farm lower level mats, particularly outland ores. People never want to go there, so the power levelers (the BS and JC kind) are buying those mats. Lowerlevel mats sell well on weekends, when people play their alts.
With JC: prospect and make jewelry. It also requires a friendly enchanter to D/E the stuff. If ore is cheap, I can get away with just making spikes, nightstones and hessonite jewelry. rare gems also sell reasonably well if you're prospecting elementium
With BS: make Stormforged shoulders. Get your enchanting friend to DE them. Heavenly shards are going for 80g a pop now... Maelstrom crystals are selling for 90.
A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
And then have purchased your item and you have made monies.
by itself, farm lower level mats, particularly outland ores. People never want to go there, so the power levelers (the BS and JC kind) are buying those mats. Lowerlevel mats sell well on weekends, when people play their alts.
With JC: prospect and make jewelry. It also requires a friendly enchanter to D/E the stuff. If ore is cheap, I can get away with just making spikes, nightstones and hessonite jewelry. rare gems also sell reasonably well if you're prospecting elementium
With BS: make Stormforged shoulders. Get your enchanting friend to DE them. Heavenly shards are going for 80g a pop now... Maelstrom crystals are selling for 90.
If you go the outland ore route, keep in mind that every Khorium node you find is like Christmas. While not used heavily for people leveling JC/Engineering/BS, Khorium is used for some engineering exclusive stuff like the turbo copter (and, IIRC, one of the bots you need to make Jeeves).
A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
And then have purchased your item and you have made monies.
They are rolling in gold I am just one person with limited resources. They have a whole guild to abuse. So listing 1 to 3 gems in thier ocean of shiny will do nothing to break the prices they charge
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
And then have purchased your item and you have made monies.
They are rolling in gold I am just one person with limited resources. They have a whole guild to abuse. So listing 1 to 3 gems in thier ocean of shiny will do nothing to break the prices they charge
you don't need to break their prices, if you're also in the market. if they're just buying and reselling, you're still selling your goods. it doesn't matter who buys them.
i would kill for someone to dominate the market at a high price and just buy up all my shit as i list it. i don't know why you would possibly consider it a bad thing that the market is being forced to benefit you.
Yeah if you are listing close to their price they are losing money on the individual transaction of buying and relisting your gem.
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
edited July 2011
Also, what I have come to realize is, the reason things end up priced at prices that make you look at them and go, "How the fuck can any single person be making this much money?" is that an individual person is not.
Lots of guilds have hundreds of thousands if not millions of gold in their guild bank. Whereas 50,000 gold is just about enough to bankrupt me, 50,000 gold to outfit their DK with a pair of BIS weapons is not a problem for big guilds.
A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
And then have purchased your item and you have made monies.
They are rolling in gold I am just one person with limited resources. They have a whole guild to abuse. So listing 1 to 3 gems in thier ocean of shiny will do nothing to break the prices they charge
you don't need to break their prices, if you're also in the market. if they're just buying and reselling, you're still selling your goods. it doesn't matter who buys them.
i would kill for someone to dominate the market at a high price and just buy up all my shit as i list it. i don't know why you would possibly consider it a bad thing that the market is being forced to benefit you.
And this of course after a failed group earlier where the rogue and hunter insisted they didn't have to AoE because they didn't do enough aoe damage. Why must everyone be so bad and dumb? qq.
Depending on the rogues spec, he is fairly justified. A sub spec rogue is useless at AoE. Combat could flick on blade flurry and do some fairly decent damage. But an assassination rogue would smash the AoE down, plus put up 8% extra spell damage on all the mobs.
No.
First of all, if the raid was wiping due to the eyes not dying fast enough, then no, the rogue is not justified in ignoring them. Second, dual spec exists for a reason. If you have a spec with terrible AoE and you're doing a boss that requires you to AoE, you should switch to a second spec. If the guy had two subtlety specs, then maybe he shouldn't be subjecting PUGs to his PvE uselessness.
A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
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"You know what would make this game fun? If it were fun again."
Yeah, and? A ~329 geared druid has about that much HP with buffs. Being freshly quest geared says nothing about the quality of a tank though.
Then quit. Why subject yourself to something you don't like?
Meanwhile North American players on the east coast are going "Warcraft back up at 10:00am instead of 2:00pm? Awesome."
I think it's the best time for downtime and I'd like for it to stay this way forever.
I'll raise you this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISsOjfHgtws&feature=player_embedded
I've seen a Mage in a Zulroic pull 26k, 99% of which was Arcane Blast.
It sounds incredibly boring.
If you're a troll and can pop berserking too, you can get over 20k. Just not for long.
Steam
Only the strong can help the weak.
It's somewhat amusing in heroics, if only for the novelty of doing a bajillion damage with 1 spell. Most of the time I'm just waiting for the fun mobs that have decent buffs to spellsteal.
In raids it's a little (not much) more complicated since you actually have to manage your mana.
God.
A) Why do you subject yourself to something you no longer enjoy?
Salt: Take a break from the game for a bit and see if that reinvigorates your desire to play.
So I quit, come back, quit, come back. Then I finally quit during ICC and my wife and I decided we'd never play again. Of course, she got the itch to play again a couple months back so we picked up Cata and for some magic reason, probably that we're so god damned busy with grad school and work and can only play a couple hours a week on the weekend or so, we're having a wonderful time again. Just levelling through the newly revamped zones, enjoying the new UI features and stuff that have been put in, and just enjoying the game for what it is, with no compulsion to play other than when we just feel like it.
I'd say if you're not enjoying it, you have to just quit, or at the very least stay subscribed but just promise yourself you won't log in unless you actually just feel like you really want to, not need to. You'll either find a reason to want to log in or you'll realize you should cancel it so you're not paying for the sub.
Why do you feel the need to voice this opinion? I certainly don't give one fuck what you think about my opinion.
Mostly, though, I am just struck by nostalgia lately.
I find that having a set goal when you log on each time to be very helpful in not getting that "Why am I playing?" feeling. You never get it because you always know why your logging on.
I employ a rule that I am not aloud to play on Saturday. At all. I don't log on for anything, even if my friends are pleading to run one more heroic. I've got other shit to do around the house, the beach to go to, anything but play on a saturday.
I also limit my time in game on Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday. Tuesday, Thursday, Friday I only play for 20 minutes to an hour usually. To do some dailies before going out for dinner with friends, or run BH. Sunday is a Raid night, but I don't log on till about 6 or 7, sometimes 15 minutes before Raid start.
If you are logging on because of habit, and then find yourself nothing to do then you need to set some new goals in the game if you want to continue playing. If your goals do not match the goals of the guild you are in, then find a new guild. If you simply do not care about killing Raid Bosses, getting 2000+ in Arena, getting your sweet looking mount from Rated BGs, Leveling every class to level 85, or collecting pets and mounts then this game has nothing for you and you should quit. Don't complain that there is nothing to do, because there are shit tons of stuff you could do. You just don't care to do them, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Edit: I do spend a lot of time outside the game thinking about the game though. But that is while at work, at an IT Desk Job where my responsibilities are making sure Switches and Servers are running with the occasional resetting of passwords. And Switches and Servers typically are set and forget for 90% of the time. So I get to spend a lot of time on Forums, looking through WoLs, and talking about Weightlifting(my other hobby).
This is the only reason I still play. But there are times when I just dont feel like logging in during non raid hours as the single player aspect of this game is very limited and I just got done leveling another alt to 85 so only 2 classes left. Heh and they were my original toons to 60.
I have 525 mining, but the market seems so saturated that I'm not really sure what to mine for. Obsidium I guess? In Vash?
You are leveling a mage right? If you are arcane spec (and probably any spec), the PVP 371 honor gear is actually better than the 353 gear, since the honor gear has sooooo much more INT on it.
I really don't understand how people make money in this game. I've accumulated a fair pile now thanks to making scads of flasks a few months back and selling the odd truegold bar, but it seems that no sooner do I find a crafted item that sells well than the price drops to less than the mats to make it cost. How does this economy continue to function? If the finished product sells for less than the mats cost you, just put your mats up for sell! You'll make more money! In theory the price should eventually equalize. But apparently no one is doing this on my server. They just keep blindly making flasks and truegold and whatnot and drive the price down below the cost of making it.
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If its an item that people make while leveling the profession it is somewhat understandable, otherwise that is just weird.
I don't know how people make money with mining, either. I mean ... I feel like it's incredibly likely that I buy all of my ore from botters, because I usually end up buying 50-70 stacks at a time from a single seller, and I'm not ready to believe anyone hates themselves enough to do that regularly.
I buy lots of ore, prospect it all, and then use the gems that result to craft things that disenchant into DEing materials (which i sell).
This is less profitable than it used to be (it's extremely difficult to move zephyrite, alicite, jasper, and they reduced them to 10g a stack, down from 100g a stack, to vendors), but carnelians into greater celestial essence + bold cardinal rubies usually cover or exceed the price of the ore, and everything else is gravy.
I'm leveling an alchemist, as well, to turn hessonites into ember topaz and nightstone into demon's eyes.
My other warlock makes a boat load since I am in a price war over glyphs with two guilds I am under cutting them by at least 20%
What I typically do is try to build up to a stack of say, 20, of each green quality gem that's used for the dailies on my DK and maintain it. Everything else gets shipped off to my transmute alchemist to get turned into the blue quality stones (or metas) and then shipped back to my JCer to cut and sell.
I have made insane amount of money through market control. In BC I bought a few Nether Vortexes with badges, undercut some people and made some quick cash. Then I turned around and bought what was left and then re-listed them for a higher amount. After a week I had some substantial cash which allowed me to continue to buy out low cost goods and re-list.
Then I got bored of that.
by itself, farm lower level mats, particularly outland ores. People never want to go there, so the power levelers (the BS and JC kind) are buying those mats. Lowerlevel mats sell well on weekends, when people play their alts.
With JC: prospect and make jewelry. It also requires a friendly enchanter to D/E the stuff. If ore is cheap, I can get away with just making spikes, nightstones and hessonite jewelry. rare gems also sell reasonably well if you're prospecting elementium
With BS: make Stormforged shoulders. Get your enchanting friend to DE them. Heavenly shards are going for 80g a pop now... Maelstrom crystals are selling for 90.
And this is how people make gobs of money.
And then have purchased your item and you have made monies.
If you go the outland ore route, keep in mind that every Khorium node you find is like Christmas. While not used heavily for people leveling JC/Engineering/BS, Khorium is used for some engineering exclusive stuff like the turbo copter (and, IIRC, one of the bots you need to make Jeeves).
*checks watch*
Guess I won't get my dailies done before class. They spoiled us with 4.2 and now they want to remind us HOW SHIT AROUND HERE WORKS.
They are rolling in gold I am just one person with limited resources. They have a whole guild to abuse. So listing 1 to 3 gems in thier ocean of shiny will do nothing to break the prices they charge
you don't need to break their prices, if you're also in the market. if they're just buying and reselling, you're still selling your goods. it doesn't matter who buys them.
i would kill for someone to dominate the market at a high price and just buy up all my shit as i list it. i don't know why you would possibly consider it a bad thing that the market is being forced to benefit you.
Lots of guilds have hundreds of thousands if not millions of gold in their guild bank. Whereas 50,000 gold is just about enough to bankrupt me, 50,000 gold to outfit their DK with a pair of BIS weapons is not a problem for big guilds.
First of all, if the raid was wiping due to the eyes not dying fast enough, then no, the rogue is not justified in ignoring them. Second, dual spec exists for a reason. If you have a spec with terrible AoE and you're doing a boss that requires you to AoE, you should switch to a second spec. If the guy had two subtlety specs, then maybe he shouldn't be subjecting PUGs to his PvE uselessness.
That sounds amazing, quite frankly.
I don't see what the problem would be.