A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
That sounds amazing, quite frankly.
I don't see what the problem would be.
Theyre making more money than he is. The guilds system sounds incredible - and justified given their size, needs - to me.
Thankfully I don't play the game enough, and my guild isn't raid-active enough (we JUST beat Nefarian) to really need a ton of money. I'm sitting at 30K across 5 active char's and thats fine to me.
A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
That sounds amazing, quite frankly.
I don't see what the problem would be.
Well, it's a bit of a problem if you want to _buy_ a gem. But if you're selling? Yeah, that's fine.
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I should have known it was too good to be true. I usually get up early on Tuesdays if I want to get anything done in WoW, but that wasn't possible today. That's cool though, I'll be able to play some before I have to leave for work this afternoon...or not.
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I don't understand how people don't make money in this game.
I make money when I run five mans. I make money when I do dailies. For the last few months I've even (generally) made money raiding, what with the amount of gold stuff drops and guild repairs.
Buying vanity pets and powerleveling my alt's tailoring have absorbed a lot of money, and I'm still up a little bit over the course of time. Now that I have most of the pets people regularly list, maybe I'll wait for a volcanospike to show up and buy that.
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A problem onthe horde side is one person controls the gem/jewelcrafting market. If you list a gem cheaper than what they are selling them at they will just buy it and list it for thier price
That sounds amazing, quite frankly.
I don't see what the problem would be.
Well, it's a bit of a problem if you want to _buy_ a gem. But if you're selling? Yeah, that's fine.
It's only a problem for buyers because game economies don't work like real ones. In a real economy, if the price is really too high, the demand will drop and the price has to drop until it reaches equilibrium. In a video game, this type of stuff works only because there is almost no price people won't pay to buy a gem right when they want it because they just got a new piece of gear and can't possibly log out without getting it gemmed and enchanted. I've been there, lol.
Obviously there's a price people won't pay, it's just that for most generally-available items supply is so high relative to demand that it never becomes an issue. If the only gems available cost 500 gold, for example, players get much more benefit/gold by simply waiting an hour or two for the temporary drop in supply to correct itself.
ed: or by just mining/prospecting the gems themselves, an option generally not available in realworld economies
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I don't understand how people don't make money in this game.
Maybe they PvP? I dunno.
For some retarded reason (big surprise, I know), PvP is a pure money sink. You lose money repairing after battlegrounds/arenas. You lose money gemming/enchanting the gear you get from it. You get 0 gold out of the (retarded) BG daily, and you don't get money from BGs/arena games either. The weekly TB quest is essentially the only source of money from PvP, and that's what, 16 gold a week?
PvP doesn't give you any BoEs or raw materials to sell on the AH. All you can do is throw your extra honor once you're maxed on gear into the trade goods vendor, but obviously that's a terrible RoI. I guess if your character happens to be an enchanter, you could spend honor on whatever the cheapest DE-able item is to get shards/crystals, assuming any of that stuff is DE-able.
It does and has for the last 6.5 years. That's one of the few things that has literally never changed since the game started. It makes no sense for it to, but then most of the PvP design in this game makes no sense. I have to assume you've never PvPed? Or you do it rarely and don't repair often?
I'm just as shocked. I... I thought that was a thing. That if you died in pvp they you didn't take durability loss.
That's just stupid.
But then pvp in wow was always beyond my ken anyways.
I think he's saying you lose durability just by getting hit by players, not by dying. Much the same way as you lose durability by monsters hitting you, in addition to the 10% loss from a death.
This makes perfect sense to me. If someone is bludgeoning your armor with two maces, it's not going to stay brand new.
We were doing Beth Sunday night, and I avoided a wipe with shadowmeld(miracle of miracles there). Someone dropped a bot, and I repaired. 1.5g just from "the boss hits you" damage, for half of 1 pull.
I'm just as shocked. I... I thought that was a thing. That if you died in pvp they you didn't take durability loss.
That's just stupid.
But then pvp in wow was always beyond my ken anyways.
Dying in PvP doesn't take off 10% durability, but PvP combat does reduce durability. I'll full repair before a TB on my druid, then when I go to repair afterward, it'll be about 4g.
I guess if your character happens to be an enchanter, you could spend honor on whatever the cheapest DE-able item is to get shards/crystals, assuming any of that stuff is DE-able.
Yes, PvP gear is disenchantable. But before 4.2 you could only buy blue stuff, so the cheapest item (relics) would give you 1 Shard for 700 Honor and the vendor would give you 1 Shard for 600. (And 1 Greater Essence for 400, which is sometimes a better deal). Now you can buy the epic relic for 700 and disenchant that to a Crystal, which the vendor sells for 3750.
But the best thing is: Seasons are always so long now, people are overflowing with Conquest (non-Hybrids at least). And Conquest points can be used for nothing but gear. You can't exchange them for Trade Goods. You can't convert them to Valor. You can't buy Heirlooms. You can't even 1:1 downgrade them to Honor until the end of the season.
I guess if your character happens to be an enchanter, you could spend honor on whatever the cheapest DE-able item is to get shards/crystals, assuming any of that stuff is DE-able.
Yes, PvP gear is disenchantable. But before 4.2 you could only buy blue stuff, so the cheapest item (relics) would give you 1 Shard for 700 Honor and the vendor would give you 1 Shard for 600. (And 1 Greater Essence for 400, which is sometimes a better deal). Now you can buy the epic relic for 700 and disenchant that to a Crystal, which the vendor sells for 3750.
It's nice that you can DE the cheap-ass relics, but of course that only benefits a small subset of PvP characters. The 3750 crystal is just absolute, god-tier goosetardery from Blizzard. Meanwhile, JPs can be converted into crystals by any character for 1650 points if you have a trustworthy/alt enchanter or just gold (for now) by selling them on the AH.
But the best thing is: Seasons are always so long now, people are overflowing with Conquest (non-Hybrids at least). And Conquest points can be used for nothing but gear. You can't exchange them for Trade Goods. You can't convert them to Valor. You can't even 1:1 downgrade them to Honor until the end of the season.
That's awful. But also unsurprising.
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Celestial Essence prices have gone through the roof.
I just had the most bizarre problem in Twin Peaks. After a res, my computer hard locked for like 10 seconds. Afterward, I could cast direct spells on any target.
Arcane explosion, frost nova, sure. No worries.
But I couldn't polymorph, spellsteal, slow, or anything else. I know hunters have an ability that does this, but I was unable to attack a shaman, a paladin, a rogue, and later, a rat in a stormwind alleyway.
Speaking of enchanting mats, it's my belief that Heavenly Shards are going to forever be stupid expensive. We're only into the second raiding tier, and we've had two heroics that offer all epics for HOW long?? No one, save brand new alts, are running any content the yields blues anymore at 85, and haven't for a good while. Hell, even the alts are in regular heroics for much shorter now due to better justice and BoE gear. The only place Heavenly Shards are coming from now are dungeons people run while leveling up and quest rewards, and the lower level ones only give Small HS. So on my server, Shards are 70g and Maelstorm Crystals are 75g. My enchanter is not pleased about this, especially since Greaters are always fuck-off expensive.
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Speaking of enchanting mats, it's my belief that Heavenly Shards are going to forever be stupid expensive. We're only into the second raiding tier, and we've had two heroics that offer all epics for HOW long?? No one, save brand new alts, are running any content the yields blues anymore at 85, and haven't for a good while. Hell, even the alts are in regular heroics for much shorter now due to better justice and BoE gear. The only place Heavenly Shards are coming from now are dungeons people run while leveling up and quest rewards, and the lower level ones only give Small HS. So on my server, Shards are 70g and Maelstorm Crystals are 75g. My enchanter is not pleased about this, especially since Greaters are always fuck-off expensive.
they'll probably put in an enchanting recipe to break down maelstroms into either dream shards or dust/essences
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edited July 2011
Finally unlocked a new phase of the Firelands stuff, went with the shadow wardens or whatever they are. Thankfully unlocking the second faction will happen a little faster, because I was disappointed with the first; some sprouts out of where the tree is growing but nothing spectacular to make it feel like progress.
they'll probably put in an enchanting recipe to break down maelstroms into either dream shards or dust/essences
Yup, this.
They did it in WotLK after either 3.2 or 3.3 when the higher tier 5-man dungeons were added and were causing a glut of crystals coming in while fewer shards were coming in. We're seeing the exact same thing now, except much earlier in the expansion life cycle due to the first major patch already having "only epics drop" 5-mans and the fact that you can queue your random dungeon specifically for the higher tier ones. Better geared players essentially have no reason to end up in the "drops rares" dungeons anymore. Even in WotLK, people running random daily dungeons would still usually end up in lower tier ones and still have the potential to get some shards.
Of course, WotLK only ever added a crystal->shard recipe. Cataclysm seems to be in desperate need of a way to get more essences. I guess somehow there are fewer uncommon items being disenchanted relative to WotLK?
burning crusade added an epic shards to blue shards recipe too.
Essences I think are okay; any time I need more than the few I keep around I can just buy'em with JP.
Yeah, but TBC's recipe came in a lot later in the lifespan. It wasn't added until the Sunwell/IoQD patch, so obviously the enchanting mat destablization wasn't as prevalent in TBC. And it makes sense, too, since the game didn't shift into "all epics all the time" until late in the expansion.
6 heroic boss kills for 1 essence is a pretty shitty deal, though, and people still gearing up off JP/honor aren't going to be throwing their points into a single enchanting mat. I don't think the intended design is for essences to be costing about the same as shards and crystals.
Same. I am trying to grind for gear and also gold and I am having a hard time deciding how to do either one. For now I am just doing random zandalari heroics, but I need money for DM:Volcano, enchants, and possibly some other stuff.
I have 525 mining, but the market seems so saturated that I'm not really sure what to mine for. Obsidium I guess? In Vash?
I find that fishing is the most reliable profession now. I fish open sea water in Uldum for Deepsea Sagefish and Fathom Eel. Sagefish produces either 90 spirit or 90 intellect food, both of which sell for about 200g a stack on my server. The eel make 90 agi food which sells for 200-300g a stack. Sometimes I'll switch it up and fish in the open inland water for Lavascale Catfish and Blackbelly Mudfish. The mudfish make 90 parry or 90 dodge food and the catfish make 90 mastery food, all of which are great tank foods that sell for 100g+ a stack.
I used to heavily buy elementium ore and prospect it, saving the zephyrite, jaspers and nightstones for the dailies. I mailed the carnelians to my alt who is an enchanter/alchemist who would transmute the carnelians into inferno rubies. I crafted the hessonite/alicite into greens to mail for DEing. I would just pick the highest selling cut for everything but inferno rubies and undercut for them. A stack of inferno rubies goes for about 5000g on my server. The top raiding guild on the server burns through them like crack. Due to the devaluing of non-red cuts however, the profit margin on doing this has gone down considerably.
Don't forget your dailies. People complain about being short on cash but don't do any dailies. Once you unlock all of the Molten Front, you'll be able to do most of your dailies there and make ~500 gold in 20 min or so.
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One shot him tonight, and last week too for first kill, with no prior experience other than reading dungeon journal. The real bastard is that $%$%@% bird. Let's put red good things and red bad things all over with red boss, over a red ground and under a red sky, with red unpullable mobs that look like the boss flying around too. You'd have thought they'd have learned with the Sarth fight and the void zones.
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One shot him tonight, and last week too for first kill, with no prior experience other than reading dungeon journal. The real bastard is that $%$%@% bird. Let's put red good things and red bad things all over with red boss, over a red ground and under a red sky, with red unpullable mobs that look like the boss flying around too. You'd have thought they'd have learned with the Sarth fight and the void zones.
Does the fight have mages using RED flamestrike and DKs using RED death and decay, too?
And by 'fun' I mean 'horrible.' Our guild's tanks are MIA (one with family, main tank's net is down), so we had to pug a few that were a guildie's 'friends.'
Queue tanks constantly fucking up and then blaming others on vent.
One shot him tonight, and last week too for first kill, with no prior experience other than reading dungeon journal. The real bastard is that $%$%@% bird. Let's put red good things and red bad things all over with red boss, over a red ground and under a red sky, with red unpullable mobs that look like the boss flying around too. You'd have thought they'd have learned with the Sarth fight and the void zones.
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what is your secret because it is killing my guild
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jeez
just looted four more elementium lockboxes out of one lockbox
what was problim doing when he put that together, getting off to xzibit?
The lock boxes? I have ran into that a bunch so since my blood elf rogue is not high enough to do that i just leave a set of keys in the guild bank and make more as needed
I don't mind the new dailies they are kind of fun and interesting but it was not for all the people being asses I would enjoy them
Ugh, I just found out last night that somehow I hadn't gotten the Crimson Lasher questline started. A guildie and I were trying to figure out how I was 8 tokens behind him.
Come to find out, I had never gotten the drop from the Druids of the Flame near the Shadow Wardens, so I had never started the line (5 tokens right off the bat, 1 more token per day).
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Theyre making more money than he is. The guilds system sounds incredible - and justified given their size, needs - to me.
Thankfully I don't play the game enough, and my guild isn't raid-active enough (we JUST beat Nefarian) to really need a ton of money. I'm sitting at 30K across 5 active char's and thats fine to me.
Well, it's a bit of a problem if you want to _buy_ a gem. But if you're selling? Yeah, that's fine.
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My server literally has the opposite going on.
People will list things -- often bulk things -- at hugely discounted prices (to the tune of, say, 50% the going price) to force the market down.
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I make money when I run five mans. I make money when I do dailies. For the last few months I've even (generally) made money raiding, what with the amount of gold stuff drops and guild repairs.
Buying vanity pets and powerleveling my alt's tailoring have absorbed a lot of money, and I'm still up a little bit over the course of time. Now that I have most of the pets people regularly list, maybe I'll wait for a volcanospike to show up and buy that.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
It's only a problem for buyers because game economies don't work like real ones. In a real economy, if the price is really too high, the demand will drop and the price has to drop until it reaches equilibrium. In a video game, this type of stuff works only because there is almost no price people won't pay to buy a gem right when they want it because they just got a new piece of gear and can't possibly log out without getting it gemmed and enchanted. I've been there, lol.
ed: or by just mining/prospecting the gems themselves, an option generally not available in realworld economies
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
For some retarded reason (big surprise, I know), PvP is a pure money sink. You lose money repairing after battlegrounds/arenas. You lose money gemming/enchanting the gear you get from it. You get 0 gold out of the (retarded) BG daily, and you don't get money from BGs/arena games either. The weekly TB quest is essentially the only source of money from PvP, and that's what, 16 gold a week?
PvP doesn't give you any BoEs or raw materials to sell on the AH. All you can do is throw your extra honor once you're maxed on gear into the trade goods vendor, but obviously that's a terrible RoI. I guess if your character happens to be an enchanter, you could spend honor on whatever the cheapest DE-able item is to get shards/crystals, assuming any of that stuff is DE-able.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
That's just stupid.
But then pvp in wow was always beyond my ken anyways.
I think he's saying you lose durability just by getting hit by players, not by dying. Much the same way as you lose durability by monsters hitting you, in addition to the 10% loss from a death.
This makes perfect sense to me. If someone is bludgeoning your armor with two maces, it's not going to stay brand new.
1500G for new pets in the Firelands! awojsdiofjsdiofjiosdf
Yes, just like dying many times and being brought back to life by a spirit that resurrects people near it every 30 seconds makes perfect sense.
Yes, PvP gear is disenchantable. But before 4.2 you could only buy blue stuff, so the cheapest item (relics) would give you 1 Shard for 700 Honor and the vendor would give you 1 Shard for 600. (And 1 Greater Essence for 400, which is sometimes a better deal). Now you can buy the epic relic for 700 and disenchant that to a Crystal, which the vendor sells for 3750.
But the best thing is: Seasons are always so long now, people are overflowing with Conquest (non-Hybrids at least). And Conquest points can be used for nothing but gear. You can't exchange them for Trade Goods. You can't convert them to Valor. You can't buy Heirlooms. You can't even 1:1 downgrade them to Honor until the end of the season.
That's awful. But also unsurprising.
Semi-related note:
Celestial Essence prices have gone through the roof.
Arcane explosion, frost nova, sure. No worries.
But I couldn't polymorph, spellsteal, slow, or anything else. I know hunters have an ability that does this, but I was unable to attack a shaman, a paladin, a rogue, and later, a rat in a stormwind alleyway.
Gonna try restarting.
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Can't you buy them for justice points?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
They did it in WotLK after either 3.2 or 3.3 when the higher tier 5-man dungeons were added and were causing a glut of crystals coming in while fewer shards were coming in. We're seeing the exact same thing now, except much earlier in the expansion life cycle due to the first major patch already having "only epics drop" 5-mans and the fact that you can queue your random dungeon specifically for the higher tier ones. Better geared players essentially have no reason to end up in the "drops rares" dungeons anymore. Even in WotLK, people running random daily dungeons would still usually end up in lower tier ones and still have the potential to get some shards.
Of course, WotLK only ever added a crystal->shard recipe. Cataclysm seems to be in desperate need of a way to get more essences. I guess somehow there are fewer uncommon items being disenchanted relative to WotLK?
Essences I think are okay; any time I need more than the few I keep around I can just buy'em with JP.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
6 heroic boss kills for 1 essence is a pretty shitty deal, though, and people still gearing up off JP/honor aren't going to be throwing their points into a single enchanting mat. I don't think the intended design is for essences to be costing about the same as shards and crystals.
I find that fishing is the most reliable profession now. I fish open sea water in Uldum for Deepsea Sagefish and Fathom Eel. Sagefish produces either 90 spirit or 90 intellect food, both of which sell for about 200g a stack on my server. The eel make 90 agi food which sells for 200-300g a stack. Sometimes I'll switch it up and fish in the open inland water for Lavascale Catfish and Blackbelly Mudfish. The mudfish make 90 parry or 90 dodge food and the catfish make 90 mastery food, all of which are great tank foods that sell for 100g+ a stack.
I used to heavily buy elementium ore and prospect it, saving the zephyrite, jaspers and nightstones for the dailies. I mailed the carnelians to my alt who is an enchanter/alchemist who would transmute the carnelians into inferno rubies. I crafted the hessonite/alicite into greens to mail for DEing. I would just pick the highest selling cut for everything but inferno rubies and undercut for them. A stack of inferno rubies goes for about 5000g on my server. The top raiding guild on the server burns through them like crack. Due to the devaluing of non-red cuts however, the profit margin on doing this has gone down considerably.
Don't forget your dailies. People complain about being short on cash but don't do any dailies. Once you unlock all of the Molten Front, you'll be able to do most of your dailies there and make ~500 gold in 20 min or so.
In other news, I've been trying to grind troll heroics all day and havent finished one. Every group has just been pants-on-head retarded.
I need a new guild.
One shot him tonight, and last week too for first kill, with no prior experience other than reading dungeon journal. The real bastard is that $%$%@% bird. Let's put red good things and red bad things all over with red boss, over a red ground and under a red sky, with red unpullable mobs that look like the boss flying around too. You'd have thought they'd have learned with the Sarth fight and the void zones.
Does the fight have mages using RED flamestrike and DKs using RED death and decay, too?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
nor did I. It's pretty simple really, the only thing I found annoying was the brushfires and worms spawning under my hatchling.
And by 'fun' I mean 'horrible.' Our guild's tanks are MIA (one with family, main tank's net is down), so we had to pug a few that were a guildie's 'friends.'
Queue tanks constantly fucking up and then blaming others on vent.
ugh.
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what is your secret because it is killing my guild
just looted four more elementium lockboxes out of one lockbox
what was problim doing when he put that together, getting off to xzibit?
I don't mind the new dailies they are kind of fun and interesting but it was not for all the people being asses I would enjoy them
Come to find out, I had never gotten the drop from the Druids of the Flame near the Shadow Wardens, so I had never started the line (5 tokens right off the bat, 1 more token per day).
EDIT: First time I got this message while doing the Joust daily: "Hyjal Kids! Hyjal Wives! They're lancing everyone in here!"