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Goose!That's me, honeyShow me the way home, honeyRegistered Userregular
zucchinirobotheropretty much amazingRegistered Userregular
edited July 2011
Phillies team wOBA at 2nd base: .302
Second Base: This is not Chase Utley‘s fault. His .382 wOBA is best among second basemen with 150 or more plate appearances. Instead, blame the trio of Wilson Valdez, Pete Orr, and Michael Martinez who filled in for Utley while he was recovering from an injury and racked up 56 percent of all of the plate appearances at second base.
I'm not aware of any overtly dirty plays by him but he's certainly not the epitome of class like he's often lauded to be and now he's overpaid as shit.
"First off, wOBA is a linear weight formula presented as a rate statistic scaled to On Base Percentage. Essentially, what that means is that average wOBA will always equal average OBP for any given year. If you know what the league’s OBP is, you know what the league’s wOBA is. Usually, league average falls in the .335 range – it was .332 last year, but offense was down around the game in 2008, which may or may not continue."
So it attempts to show what a player's average type of on-base action (single, home run, walk, whatever) but uses a weighted scale instead of a simple linear progression.
Cal Ripken Jr and Ozzie Smith are both better than Jeter.
Cy Young was a better shortstop than Jeter is.
Omar Vizquel has played 6 more seasons and has 40 less errors on his career. Defensively I don't see how anyone could say there's ever been anyone better at short than Vizquel.
Also, at age 44 he's currently batting higher than Jeter and batted higher last year.
Yeah...I uh...I don't understand Sabremetrics at all. Like I read that, and I still don't understand what wOBA is.
Which brings to the fact that I saw the trailer for Moneyball before T3. What a load horseshit that movie looks like.
"weighting" means each time a player reaches base, you take into account how he got on base and adjust accordingly
that is, you multiply the players home runs by a certain constant weight (you don't really have to understand how these weights were calculated to understand how woba works but here's a table: http://www.tangotiger.net/customlwts.html), triples by another weight and so on for doubles, singles, walks, hbp
then you divide by plate appearances
there is then also an additional scaling so that the league average of woba corresponds to the league average of obp
Cal Ripken Jr and Ozzie Smith are both better than Jeter.
Cy Young was a better shortstop than Jeter is.
Omar Vizquel has played 6 more seasons and has 40 less errors on his career. Defensively I don't see how anyone could say there's ever been anyone better at short than Vizquel.
Also, at age 44 he's currently batting higher than Jeter and batted higher last year.
Vizquel is probably the most technically sound SS ever. He's not as flashy as Ozzie was but he'll make every single routine play you throw at him.
Omar's FP: .984
Ozzie's FP: .978
except fielding percentage isn't that useful as a metric
besides the myriad of inconsistencies in baseball's scoring system itself, it only applies to balls a fielder gets to and thus benefits players with less range (eg if 2 players have 20 balls hit their way, and player a gets to 18 of them, committing 2 errors, while players b gets to 14 of them, committing 0 errors, player b has a higher fp (1.000 to .889) despite allowing 2 more baserunners than player a)
pretty much every defensive metric besides fp (including the Eye Test) favors ozzie smith by a pretty significant amount
simo on
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
edited July 2011
Vizquel was plenty flashy. He'd easily hurdle anyone that attempted to slide into him and he could bare-hand damn near anything. Sometimes I'd cringe at what he'd grab with his bare hand.
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You all failed me.
8 months from now I will have to take matters into my own hands.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
he only needs 5 more taters!
And maybe the Rays should have scored some runs on Duensing
Love fantasy baseball, especially because this is my first year.
In terms of regular baseball, go Jeter, go Nats, poor Pujols, All Star game coming up woo, etc, etc
Steam
Well...the thing about that...I appear to be in second place overall. I have not checked my team in like months. Soooooo
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
In fact, I know Zen said he wanted to make the new thread, you could have let him.
Well maybe not dickish. I dunno.
I didn't realize how serious these things were.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
and thus ends my contribution to this thread
(hi goose and also jasc)
To be fair/nice/honest, this isn't true all the time.
That being said, I despise the Yankees, and gotta agree, at least about this thread/posts.
Steam
he is a piece of shit and plays fucking dirty
Still better than the threads he makes.
Steam
At the end of day, you gotta wake up tomorrow and have the same life you had before you woke up today.
He didn't get any hits and made an error that let in a run
Fuck Derek Jeter
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Jeter's kind of a prick though.
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I'm not aware of any overtly dirty plays by him but he's certainly not the epitome of class like he's often lauded to be and now he's overpaid as shit.
"First off, wOBA is a linear weight formula presented as a rate statistic scaled to On Base Percentage. Essentially, what that means is that average wOBA will always equal average OBP for any given year. If you know what the league’s OBP is, you know what the league’s wOBA is. Usually, league average falls in the .335 range – it was .332 last year, but offense was down around the game in 2008, which may or may not continue."
So it attempts to show what a player's average type of on-base action (single, home run, walk, whatever) but uses a weighted scale instead of a simple linear progression.
Which brings to the fact that I saw the trailer for Moneyball before T3. What a load horseshit that movie looks like.
Cy Young was a better shortstop than Jeter is.
Omar Vizquel has played 6 more seasons and has 40 less errors on his career. Defensively I don't see how anyone could say there's ever been anyone better at short than Vizquel.
Also, at age 44 he's currently batting higher than Jeter and batted higher last year.
"weighting" means each time a player reaches base, you take into account how he got on base and adjust accordingly
that is, you multiply the players home runs by a certain constant weight (you don't really have to understand how these weights were calculated to understand how woba works but here's a table: http://www.tangotiger.net/customlwts.html), triples by another weight and so on for doubles, singles, walks, hbp
then you divide by plate appearances
there is then also an additional scaling so that the league average of woba corresponds to the league average of obp
better than ozzie smith? really?
Omar's FP: .984
Ozzie's FP: .978
that makes him the best because new york is the best team
its really pretty simple when you view it in this manner
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
I just came in here to back up Ozzie Smith
ok, cya i don't know shit about baseball
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JETER SUCKS
i know, right? it's so awesome. i'm sorry you don't get to be this great.
except fielding percentage isn't that useful as a metric
besides the myriad of inconsistencies in baseball's scoring system itself, it only applies to balls a fielder gets to and thus benefits players with less range (eg if 2 players have 20 balls hit their way, and player a gets to 18 of them, committing 2 errors, while players b gets to 14 of them, committing 0 errors, player b has a higher fp (1.000 to .889) despite allowing 2 more baserunners than player a)
pretty much every defensive metric besides fp (including the Eye Test) favors ozzie smith by a pretty significant amount
Including Ozzie's 100 more errors in 3 fewer seasons?