Iron WeaselDillon!You son of a bitch!Registered Userregular
edited July 2011
Quick question regarding LotSB: you can basically invite Liara to the Normandy once, and then that's it right? Any time you visit her afterwards she just says, "Thanks for coming by."?
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Quick question regarding LotSB: you can basically invite Liara to the Normandy once, and then that's it right? Any time you visit her afterwards she just says, "Thanks for coming by."?
That's it
Still leagues better than the Ashley/Kaiden bullshit though. One day BioWare will craft a game with a weighty believable romance option (LotSB is ten billion steps in the right direction though)
Edit: I mean... "Hey, I didn't die at The Collector base! The first thing I'll do is visit M'lady"
"Thanks for stopping by"
...
-_-
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Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
Maybe they launched several spare ships to distract the Normandy while the only remaining batarians escaped on the opposite side of the huge ass asteroid, escaping through the Normandy's blind spot. I'm sure they had a few spare shuttles the miners used, or those their dead comrades wouldn't need. Keep in mind the sensors in Mass Effect are all line of sight and don't rely on accurate data. Look at the opening to ME2 as an example.
It's not absurd to me the getaway succeeded.
I'd love to know how he pulled this off when he was the only asshole left alive on the asteroid.
I really need to put aside all other games (I'm looking at you Blops) and put my canon run together.
Its a dangerous slope though.
I mean... I did that. But then a canon run became two. Now I'm considering a third. My previous two ME1 playthroughs have been just quick runthroughs of the story, maybe I'll do the side stuff too, and BDts. Dammit, see what you've done.
Thankfully the MEs are some of the finest games ever made :^:
Just have to finish up Alice and Knight's Contract.
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Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
Well, I've also never played any DLC other than BDtS. In fact, I downloaded whatever pack it is that gives you the Hammerhead (is that what it's called?) but never played it. Now that I think about it, I haven't played Mass Effect 1 OR 2 at all since... hell, it's been about a year. Or more.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
edited July 2011
Lately, I have been somewhat insane on my playthroughs. When I play ME 1 I MUST play to full completion. No sidequest/DLC left behind. Same on 2. Even on runs which are not necessarily going to be carried forward to the next game. Because I cannot allow a universe where every problem isn't solved in some manner, damnit. Sometimes I think I might have a mild case of OCD.
Still leagues better than the Ashley/Kaiden bullshit though. One day BioWare will craft a game with a weighty believable romance option (LotSB is ten billion steps in the right direction though)
I haven't played through with an Ashley romance, but I actually found Kaidan's actions to be completely believable and - yes - weighty. Unlike Liara, Kaidan has been kept completely in the dark and has spent the last two years trying (and not succeeding particularly well) to move on. Seeing the woman he loves, the woman he thought dead, is going to cause a witches brew of turmoil; Happy to see her, mixed with suspicion (is it really her or is this a reaper/cerberus/unknown enemy's gambit to lure me in?), mixed with guilt, both old and new (old guilt: I should have been the one to die. new guilt: She was alive, maybe in trouble, so much so that she went to Cerberus for help, and I wasn't there to help her; and/or: I am dating someone else now.). Then practically the first words out of Shep's mouth is that she's working with Cerberus. Suspicion gets stronger, the irrational guilt calls up defensiveness, and the result is Kaidan being unable to cope with the situation in a satisfacory way, for either himself or Shep. Later he has a chance to reflect and consider, and give you a better answer than his first one. Still not enough for some, but Kaidan is being deliberately cagey there, trying to ask for forgiveness but still feeling mistrusting of everything. And Kaidan already has a 'trust' issue, where he'll pull back at the slightest hint that he's in a situation where he might be rejected or betrayed.
I think the fact that they allowed for at least some characters to have their own lives that continued on after Shep died is quite good writing. To have people who wouldn't be willing to simply drop everything to go on a suicide mission, who would have emotional, visceral reactions to a beloved war hero/lover who shows up working with terrorists. To compare how emotionally a person my react to that scenario, think of discovering MLK Jr. alive and somehow aligning himself with the KKK. There's nothing he could say in that scenario to make it OK or not massively suspicious.
I suppose is isn't fair for me to say "Ashley/Kaiden" bullshit. Never romanced Kaiden, just assumed in ME2 it was the same "OMG ITS YOU wait.. Cerberus? OMG I HATE YOU!"
Mass Effect 1 FemSheps always went for blue space ass ;-)
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Everyone has a price. Throw enough gold around and someone will risk disintegration.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
I suppose is isn't fair for me to say "Ashley/Kaiden" bullshit. Never romanced Kaiden, just assumed in ME2 it was the same "OMG ITS YOU wait.. Cerberus? OMG I HATE YOU!"
Mass Effect 1 FemSheps always went for blue space ass ;-)
Heh, I just can't do it, not with Liara. Ash I could see (if the game permitted it), but I have a hard time seeing Liara as a potential love interest. Even knowing what she does vis a vis the Shadow Broker, I just can't see her as anything more than a little sister.
CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
edited July 2011
I remain firm in my belief that Horizon was good writing (VERY good writing, considering how emotionally charged the real-world reactions tend to be). I am thinking that ME3 will confirm that. Of course, because the writing of this issue is mostly in what is not said, my faith in it is somewhat speculative; I won't have confirmation until ME3 either fabulously ties a bow on it, or falters and ruins any vestiges of good writing. And yeah, I do believe it can only be one or the other, and that either is possible.
Never heard of nany people coming back from the dead to stop a race of killer bugs who could be working for killer machines.
I think if Kaidan hadn't been getting some intel about Shep being alive already, then "Wait, you're back from the dead?!" would have been the more emotionally jarring thing, the thing he heard above everything else. But because he's already heard something about it, and has already begun to speculate - a clone? Someone wearing Shep's face? Maybe she never really died and was just in hiding? So that by that point, the part that shocks him, the only part he hears, is the part he doesn't already have some mental preparation for: that she's working for terrorists.
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edited July 2011
Except that clone angle doesn't work because he is pretty accepting of you until that then you have the whole Garrus situation. Not to mention the alliance had already been tracking you.
Not to mention if he had come to terms with it, one would think he would at least be willing the benefit of the doubt, especially with how level-headed he is. That also being expounded on by his knowledge of the reapers and the real threat they pose
Except that clone angle doesn't work because he is pretty accepting of you until that then you have the whole Garrus situation. Not to mention the alliance had already been tracking you.
Well the point I was trying to make, and I know I didni't make it clear enough, is that even if no one's ever been brought back from the dead in 2186, it's not technology that's that far off.
The Alliance is tracking Shep, that doesn't mean they told Kaidan anything about it.
Don't know what you mean by 'the Garrus situation'
Not to mention if he had come to terms with it, one would think he would at least be willing the benefit of the doubt, especially with how level-headed he is. That also being expounded on by his knowledge of the reapers and the real threat they pose
Oh, I didn't mean to say that he's "come to terms" with it. Only that he's past the first shock of "she's alive" and is able to take in further information about that topic without an heroic blue screen of death. Not true for the Cerberus issue.
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edited July 2011
Except like with the rumors of shep being alive their were rumors that they were working with cerberus, so while it could have been a shock i don't think he was caught off guard and probably would have had some questions if that were the case.
Heck, Anderson deals with the cerberus situation much better
Edit. I also have work in five minutes so I won't be able to reply to anything else.
Keep in mind the sensors in Mass Effect are all line of sight and don't rely on accurate data. Look at the opening to ME2 as an example.
It's not absurd to me the getaway succeeded.
I'd love to know how he pulled this off when he was the only asshole left alive on the asteroid.
You're ignoring the bold portion.
And a space wizard did it.
One of the things I like about Mass Effect is how we still have shitty sensors. One thing about science fiction dramas that has always bothered me is how a lone ship can detect things on the other side of something, even a planet. You have sensors that can penetrate an EM shielded, spinning iron core, heavily populated, and probably shielded planet to spot a shuttle pod on the other side?
Apparently, because they can scan a planet for something without breaking a sentence... god it's annoying. That or instantly pull up a perfect visual of something almost a light year away... that their sensors noticed instantly. Ugh!
Yeah Kaidan already mentioned that there were rumors about Cerberus, probably because anyone who saw Shepard or the Normandy also saw the Cerberus logos everywhere. That part shouldn't be any more surprising than the fact that she's alive. The "Garrus situation" is that Garrus is also working with Cerberus and can be with you on Horizon.
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Except like with the rumors of shep being alive their were rumors that they were working with cerberus, so while it could have been a shock i don't think he was caught off guard and probably would have had some questions if that were the case.
Heck, Anderson deals with the cerberus situation much better
Edit. I also have work in five minutes so I won't be able to reply to anything else.
Ha ha, I get the last word. (I kid, I kid)
The reason he wasn't prepared for the Cerberus thing is that he simply dismissed any rumors of that nature. Given current technology, it's not far fetched to find Shep alive, so he can start to consider that she might be. But he never would have believed she could be with Cerberus. Considering how much bad press Shep gets by the Alliance, how she's portrayed so often by them as lunatic or obsessed, Kaidan is used to hearing people accuse her of crazy shit. So it was natural for him to consider that she might be alive, but dismiss that she might be working for terrorists. 10 seconds after meeting her, she tells him she was working for Cerberus. Queue meltdown.
I don't know how many assumptions we can make about resurrection plausibility, especially when it might be reaper tech. Even if it was not that far off on the tech horizon, the first miraculously successful attempt would still be major news and a major shock to mere mortals.
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I don't know how many assumptions we can make about resurrection plausibility, especially when it might be reaper tech. Even if it was not that far off on the tech horizon, the first miraculously successful attempt would still be major news and a major shock to mere mortals.
Hey, did you know that surgeons recently conducted the first synthetic organ transplant? Given that, if two years from now, surgeons are able to lab-grow & transplant something more complex, like a liver, I won't be that surprised (though it will still be pretty damn cool).
Brains tend to be a little more challenging than other organs, especially ones grown from your own living stem cells. Resurrection is a much bigger deal than a novel organ transplant, what with the whole defeating death thing that humanity has fantasized about for its entire existence.
Horizon was stupid, and the resurrection was stupid, doubly so.
Shepard was suffocated, burned, and then hit a planet while traveling at terminal velocity. then his body was exposed to freezing cold temperatures, and an atmosphere of ammonia. No amount of medicine, or science could bring him back to life with his memories and personality intact.
The Lazarus project was nothing but a bullshit reason to reset us at level 1, and force us to work with Cerberus.
And everyone on Horizon acted stupidly, especially Shepard.
Shepard: "Hey, it's been too long."
Who the fuck would say something like that in that situation?
Shepard is an obsessed lunatic. She just gets the job done, too. Kaidan must know by now that Shepard will do anything to fight the reapers, and the Alliance won't. Kaidan was only on Horizon because the Alliance thought Cerberus was abducting the colonies, and they wanted to draw them in. Why does he care about Cerberus so much? Even after they literally save his life and drive the collectors off, "what if they're working with the collectors?!" Cerberus is using the threat of the reapers to manipulate me? The Alliance is so worried about Cerberus for some reason they forgot all about the reapers, and Kaidan totally bought into it. He's one of them now, those jerks in Citadel space that stick their heads in the sand and cling to old conflicts instead of making compromises to fight the new one. And that's disappointing from one of the people that started the fight, and the most level-headed one too.
Brains tend to be a little more challenging than other organs, especially ones grown from your own living stem cells. Resurrection is a much bigger deal than a novel organ transplant, what with the whole defeating death thing that humanity has fantasized about for its entire existence.
The brain is the only fantastic part, really. I can accept Cerberus growing some organs and slapping some cybernetics on to them. But brain intact, memories and personality and all? The only explanation is that Shepard had her brain uploaded to a computer between ME1 and ME2, like the President on Earth. I guess the spectre who saved the galaxy would be important enough for that.
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Horizon was stupid, and the resurrection was stupid, doubly so.
Shepard was suffocated, burned, and then hit a planet while traveling at terminal velocity, no amount of medicine, or science could bring him back to life with his memories and personality intact.
The Lazarus project was nothing but a bullshit reason to reset us at level 1, and force us to work with Cerberus.
And everyone on Horizon acted stupidly, especially Shepard.
Shepard: "Hey, it's been too long."
Who the fuck would say something like that in that situation?
Brains tend to be a little more challenging than other organs, especially ones grown from your own living stem cells. Resurrection is a much bigger deal than a novel organ transplant, what with the whole defeating death thing that humanity has fantasized about for its entire existence.
The brain is the only fantastic part, really. I can accept Cerberus growing some organs and slapping some cybernetics on to them. But brain intact, memories and personality and all? The only explanation is that Shepard had her brain uploaded to a computer between ME1 and ME2, like the President on Earth. I guess the spectre who saved the galaxy would be important enough for that.
They missed the pineal gland.
It was space magic, let it go.
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Horizon was stupid, and the resurrection was stupid, doubly so.
Shepard was suffocated, burned, and then hit a planet while traveling at terminal velocity, no amount of medicine, or science could bring him back to life with his memories and personality intact.
The Lazarus project was nothing but a bullshit reason to reset us at level 1, and force us to work with Cerberus.
And everyone on Horizon acted stupidly, especially Shepard.
Shepard: "Hey, it's been too long."
Who the fuck would say something like that in that situation?
Brains tend to be a little more challenging than other organs, especially ones grown from your own living stem cells. Resurrection is a much bigger deal than a novel organ transplant, what with the whole defeating death thing that humanity has fantasized about for its entire existence.
The brain is the only fantastic part, really. I can accept Cerberus growing some organs and slapping some cybernetics on to them. But brain intact, memories and personality and all? The only explanation is that Shepard had her brain uploaded to a computer between ME1 and ME2, like the President on Earth. I guess the spectre who saved the galaxy would be important enough for that.
They missed the pineal gland.
It was space magic, let it go.
Is it magic, or is it... sufficently advanced technology? :!!:
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That's it
Still leagues better than the Ashley/Kaiden bullshit though. One day BioWare will craft a game with a weighty believable romance option (LotSB is ten billion steps in the right direction though)
Edit: I mean... "Hey, I didn't die at The Collector base! The first thing I'll do is visit M'lady"
"Thanks for stopping by"
...
-_-
I'd love to know how he pulled this off when he was the only asshole left alive on the asteroid.
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If you didn't kill him in BDtS, Balak will probably be back in ME3. Prepare to deal with it.
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The fact that fiction often involves implausible, non-sensical scenarios doesn't change the fact that BDtS is a bit of a false dichotomy as presented.
They could have done a better job of making me believe in the choices presented.
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You're ignoring the bold portion.
And a space wizard did it.
Its a dangerous slope though.
I mean... I did that. But then a canon run became two. Now I'm considering a third. My previous two ME1 playthroughs have been just quick runthroughs of the story, maybe I'll do the side stuff too, and BDts. Dammit, see what you've done.
Thankfully the MEs are some of the finest games ever made :^:
Just have to finish up Alice and Knight's Contract.
Although, I would even without games...:rotate:
I haven't played through with an Ashley romance, but I actually found Kaidan's actions to be completely believable and - yes - weighty. Unlike Liara, Kaidan has been kept completely in the dark and has spent the last two years trying (and not succeeding particularly well) to move on. Seeing the woman he loves, the woman he thought dead, is going to cause a witches brew of turmoil; Happy to see her, mixed with suspicion (is it really her or is this a reaper/cerberus/unknown enemy's gambit to lure me in?), mixed with guilt, both old and new (old guilt: I should have been the one to die. new guilt: She was alive, maybe in trouble, so much so that she went to Cerberus for help, and I wasn't there to help her; and/or: I am dating someone else now.). Then practically the first words out of Shep's mouth is that she's working with Cerberus. Suspicion gets stronger, the irrational guilt calls up defensiveness, and the result is Kaidan being unable to cope with the situation in a satisfacory way, for either himself or Shep. Later he has a chance to reflect and consider, and give you a better answer than his first one. Still not enough for some, but Kaidan is being deliberately cagey there, trying to ask for forgiveness but still feeling mistrusting of everything. And Kaidan already has a 'trust' issue, where he'll pull back at the slightest hint that he's in a situation where he might be rejected or betrayed.
I think the fact that they allowed for at least some characters to have their own lives that continued on after Shep died is quite good writing. To have people who wouldn't be willing to simply drop everything to go on a suicide mission, who would have emotional, visceral reactions to a beloved war hero/lover who shows up working with terrorists. To compare how emotionally a person my react to that scenario, think of discovering MLK Jr. alive and somehow aligning himself with the KKK. There's nothing he could say in that scenario to make it OK or not massively suspicious.
But all the stupid that happened during Horizon was just...just bad. Like 100 ways that could have went down better.
Mass Effect 1 FemSheps always went for blue space ass ;-)
Heh, I just can't do it, not with Liara. Ash I could see (if the game permitted it), but I have a hard time seeing Liara as a potential love interest. Even knowing what she does vis a vis the Shadow Broker, I just can't see her as anything more than a little sister.
I'm sure it'll be different in ME3 though.
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That's the way it usually works in the real world, too.
I think if Kaidan hadn't been getting some intel about Shep being alive already, then "Wait, you're back from the dead?!" would have been the more emotionally jarring thing, the thing he heard above everything else. But because he's already heard something about it, and has already begun to speculate - a clone? Someone wearing Shep's face? Maybe she never really died and was just in hiding? So that by that point, the part that shocks him, the only part he hears, is the part he doesn't already have some mental preparation for: that she's working for terrorists.
Not to mention if he had come to terms with it, one would think he would at least be willing the benefit of the doubt, especially with how level-headed he is. That also being expounded on by his knowledge of the reapers and the real threat they pose
Well the point I was trying to make, and I know I didni't make it clear enough, is that even if no one's ever been brought back from the dead in 2186, it's not technology that's that far off.
The Alliance is tracking Shep, that doesn't mean they told Kaidan anything about it.
Don't know what you mean by 'the Garrus situation'
Oh, I didn't mean to say that he's "come to terms" with it. Only that he's past the first shock of "she's alive" and is able to take in further information about that topic without an heroic blue screen of death. Not true for the Cerberus issue.
Heck, Anderson deals with the cerberus situation much better
Edit. I also have work in five minutes so I won't be able to reply to anything else.
One of the things I like about Mass Effect is how we still have shitty sensors. One thing about science fiction dramas that has always bothered me is how a lone ship can detect things on the other side of something, even a planet. You have sensors that can penetrate an EM shielded, spinning iron core, heavily populated, and probably shielded planet to spot a shuttle pod on the other side?
Apparently, because they can scan a planet for something without breaking a sentence... god it's annoying. That or instantly pull up a perfect visual of something almost a light year away... that their sensors noticed instantly. Ugh!
Ha ha, I get the last word. (I kid, I kid)
The reason he wasn't prepared for the Cerberus thing is that he simply dismissed any rumors of that nature. Given current technology, it's not far fetched to find Shep alive, so he can start to consider that she might be. But he never would have believed she could be with Cerberus. Considering how much bad press Shep gets by the Alliance, how she's portrayed so often by them as lunatic or obsessed, Kaidan is used to hearing people accuse her of crazy shit. So it was natural for him to consider that she might be alive, but dismiss that she might be working for terrorists. 10 seconds after meeting her, she tells him she was working for Cerberus. Queue meltdown.
Hey, did you know that surgeons recently conducted the first synthetic organ transplant? Given that, if two years from now, surgeons are able to lab-grow & transplant something more complex, like a liver, I won't be that surprised (though it will still be pretty damn cool).
Shepard was suffocated, burned, and then hit a planet while traveling at terminal velocity. then his body was exposed to freezing cold temperatures, and an atmosphere of ammonia. No amount of medicine, or science could bring him back to life with his memories and personality intact.
The Lazarus project was nothing but a bullshit reason to reset us at level 1, and force us to work with Cerberus.
And everyone on Horizon acted stupidly, especially Shepard.
Shepard: "Hey, it's been too long."
Who the fuck would say something like that in that situation?
The brain is the only fantastic part, really. I can accept Cerberus growing some organs and slapping some cybernetics on to them. But brain intact, memories and personality and all? The only explanation is that Shepard had her brain uploaded to a computer between ME1 and ME2, like the President on Earth. I guess the spectre who saved the galaxy would be important enough for that.
Shepard.
She's kinda a sociopath from time to time.
Or almost all the time.
Why I fear the ocean.
They missed the pineal gland.
It was space magic, let it go.
Hey.
Even someone as eloquent as Shepard
can be socially akward sometimes. </3
2 seconds later in the same room
"do you want to talk about it"
Is it magic, or is it... sufficently advanced technology? :!!:
the first game used a fucking computer glitch as an excuse
how the hell did we get to ENTIRE SHIP EXPLODES just to get to some damn sliders
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because that isn't the actual reason for it and just an ad hoc explanation people make up to express their disappointment