That being said even if she is a clone, she doesn't share the same implanted memories that her father does, so...still not like Shepard.
Well, that, and the fact that it's known Shepard's not a clone, thanks to the cinematic. So...doubly not like Shepard.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited July 2011
Then why are you comparing them? Not trying to be an ass...but I mean if there wasn't a comparison being made then I can't see a point in this line of inquiry.
Then why are you comparing them? Not trying to be an ass...but I mean if there wasn't a comparison being made then I can't see a point in this line of inquiry.
I wasn't. I was considering the longevity and comparitive cognition of clones, and Cambiata pointed out Miranda as an example of one not grown into adulthood. Before that, I went on the whole spiel about how we know Shepard's not, but everyone who didn't get to watch the cinematic (like Tali and Garrus) might otherwise not be convinced.
We were talking about clones. Simple as that. Tenuously related to Shepard.
Right, my father's genome modified by my mother's. Or the other way around. Point is it's modified, making our genomes different, which directly contradicts the definition of a clone. Miranda's father just engineered desirable traits into Miranda instead of using a natural egg. Miranda never said the word "clone" because it wasn't a cloning process, otherwise I don't think she'd hesitate to further emphasize how narcissistic her father is.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited July 2011
Hmm...
That being said, I can't say that resurrection seems to be a normal thing in the ME universe.
For one, most people are surprised that Shepard is alive. I would think if resurrection was a common thing or at least possible, some would be able to reason that. Not to mention the utility that one would be presented with if it were possible.
Another thing, is that the process took many years and cost a lot of money and Miranda said it still wasn't perfect.
So, maybe people have tried to revive people before, but doubtfully in a way that Cerberus attempted.
Honestly, I think you guys are trying too hard to handwave the situation as a common thing. I think it might be a lot easier and simply put Bioware downplayed the resurrection because of the heavy questions that come along with it and they probably just wanted a really cool opening.
I disagree. Miranda's using one parent's DNA, perhaps in a host womb of another human, perhaps not, with modifications. Since in ME, clones with slight variations are thrown around pretty frequently (for example, Okeer's rejects), their definition of clones seem to include beings that are not perfect duplicates, even intentionally.
Even if Miranda was born the old-fashion way, so to speak, her genome being a certain amount of changes from a single copy--to a degree we don't know (maybe her father had a huge ass as well) beyond her sex--appears as a clone of sorts to me.
That being said, I can't say that resurrection seems to be a normal thing in the ME universe.
For one, most people are surprised that Shepard is alive. I would think if resurrection was a common thing or at least possible, some would be able to reason that. Not to mention the utility that one would be presented with if it were possible.
Another thing, is that the process took many years and cost a lot of money and Miranda said it still wasn't perfect.
So, maybe people have tried to revive people before, but doubtfully in a way that Cerberus attempted.
Honestly, I think you guys are trying too hard to handwave the situation as a common thing. I think it might be a lot easier and simply put Bioware downplayed the resurrection because of the heavy questions that come along with it and they probably just wanted a really cool opening.
I doubt resurrection--beyond "a couple hours after the fact"--is common in the ME universe, but I also really don't suspect Shepard was the first known example in Citadel Space. She may have been the first human, though. It's obviously not practical on a huge scale, and even then, it might not be desireable--for example, replacing the Council (I only cite them as an example of very important leaders who could, potentially, be killed in war) in a tiny scale. It could very well be a serious gamble, as it turned out to be with Shepard--say, for example, the Chief of the General Staff of the Turian Military was killed (not just killed, but severely roasted as well). Resurrecting him might seem attractive, except that the process of returning someone to cognitive normalcy might carry with it the possibility of producing someone very much unlike what they were originally (or what the people responsible wanted). Who's to say a brilliant Turian Admiral or General turns from a rational, cunning tactician into a bloodthirsty maniac.
Hell, look at what happened to Shepard: Cerberus brought her back not just as a rallying point for humans (and, thus, the Alliance), but also as an agent of their authority. ME3 seems to confirm that that shit blew up in their face, when they swung to the Reapers. Very soon, they might regret bringing her back at all. Add to it the exorbitant cost and the fact that it may not be any guarantee it'll work at all.
Using a modified copy of his own genome, Miranda was genetically engineered to be a specimen of human perfection.
I distinctly remember her alluding to the same in the game as well, so yeah, she's a clone. Referring to her genome as originating from only one person kind of throws out the whole two parent thing. She's a modified clone, but frankly, the fact that she's a woman is a modification to the original genome, I'd imagine. Daddy had a pretty high impression of himself, and unsurprisingly, Miranda did too.
I was more saying that just because Miranda says "I have no mother" it doesn't make her a clone. I don't think that even though Miranda's using a modified version of her father's genome that that makes her a clone.
The Reaper switch just caused her (excuse me, it) to have a heroic blue screen of death, warp to TIM's office, and punch him through that big star he's so fond of staring over.
Man, her dad must have had a great ass. Someone like...
DUN DUN DUN
That is scary.... What did BioWare do, just copy his face pixel for pixel?
Yes?
Also, that pic is weird. The background line is so close to the top of his jeans that it looks like the top half of a hauntingly beautiful dude with great abs was pasted onto someone else's pants.
if the player doesn't use Vanderloo, he should just show up as Conrad Verner
actually either way
i agree.
i also want to see jack's new appearance.
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Mike Danger"Diane..."a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered Userregular
edited July 2011
Wrapped up my all-new, all-fresh, all-femshep canon ME1 run tonight. Stepped out into the Council chambers to watch Saren blow his brains out and a little voice in the back of my head said "Say, did you ever track down that Prothean artifact that the Consort gave you the dongle for?"
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
(At this point, I really don't care anymore. I'll just import over a different, non-awesome save that has that bit if I want to see the end result of it.)
Wrapped up my all-new, all-fresh, all-femshep canon ME1 run tonight. Stepped out into the Council chambers to watch Saren blow his brains out and a little voice in the back of my head said "Say, did you ever track down that Prothean artifact that the Consort gave you the dongle for?"
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
(At this point, I really don't care anymore. I'll just import over a different, non-awesome save that has that bit if I want to see the end result of it.)
Turns out, if you don't visit that seemingly-insignificant artifact,
DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited July 2011
Well...I don't think Grunt does subtle bank heist very well.
As for Veetor over Samara...well, dude did heck a whole security system.
So...honestly, makes perfect sense to me.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
edited July 2011
Looking at the original poster that this is based on, I think they were trying to figure who would substitute for who on the original poster. Lolerskates that Garrus is the stand-in for Brad Pitt. Makes sense that Donovan Hock is Andy Garcia. Though it's weird for FemShep to play the Julia Roberts role while MaleShep plays the George Clooney role - seems a bit incestuous if you ask me. It's hard for me to figure out the other substitutions, since I can't seem to find a large version of the original poster, but it seems like the artist put a lot of thought into "Who on Shepard's crew fits in to this role?"
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By the same logic, you're using a modified copy of your mother's genome too. Miranda's not. Now, I gotta find the bingo board...
Well, that, and the fact that it's known Shepard's not a clone, thanks to the cinematic. So...doubly not like Shepard.
I wasn't. I was considering the longevity and comparitive cognition of clones, and Cambiata pointed out Miranda as an example of one not grown into adulthood. Before that, I went on the whole spiel about how we know Shepard's not, but everyone who didn't get to watch the cinematic (like Tali and Garrus) might otherwise not be convinced.
We were talking about clones. Simple as that. Tenuously related to Shepard.
That being said, I can't say that resurrection seems to be a normal thing in the ME universe.
For one, most people are surprised that Shepard is alive. I would think if resurrection was a common thing or at least possible, some would be able to reason that. Not to mention the utility that one would be presented with if it were possible.
Another thing, is that the process took many years and cost a lot of money and Miranda said it still wasn't perfect.
So, maybe people have tried to revive people before, but doubtfully in a way that Cerberus attempted.
Honestly, I think you guys are trying too hard to handwave the situation as a common thing. I think it might be a lot easier and simply put Bioware downplayed the resurrection because of the heavy questions that come along with it and they probably just wanted a really cool opening.
Even if Miranda was born the old-fashion way, so to speak, her genome being a certain amount of changes from a single copy--to a degree we don't know (maybe her father had a huge ass as well) beyond her sex--appears as a clone of sorts to me.
I doubt resurrection--beyond "a couple hours after the fact"--is common in the ME universe, but I also really don't suspect Shepard was the first known example in Citadel Space. She may have been the first human, though. It's obviously not practical on a huge scale, and even then, it might not be desireable--for example, replacing the Council (I only cite them as an example of very important leaders who could, potentially, be killed in war) in a tiny scale. It could very well be a serious gamble, as it turned out to be with Shepard--say, for example, the Chief of the General Staff of the Turian Military was killed (not just killed, but severely roasted as well). Resurrecting him might seem attractive, except that the process of returning someone to cognitive normalcy might carry with it the possibility of producing someone very much unlike what they were originally (or what the people responsible wanted). Who's to say a brilliant Turian Admiral or General turns from a rational, cunning tactician into a bloodthirsty maniac.
Hell, look at what happened to Shepard: Cerberus brought her back not just as a rallying point for humans (and, thus, the Alliance), but also as an agent of their authority. ME3 seems to confirm that that shit blew up in their face, when they swung to the Reapers. Very soon, they might regret bringing her back at all. Add to it the exorbitant cost and the fact that it may not be any guarantee it'll work at all.
I was more saying that just because Miranda says "I have no mother" it doesn't make her a clone. I don't think that even though Miranda's using a modified version of her father's genome that that makes her a clone.
There are a million and one ways information can be obtained without one entity directly telling another.
the dragon's teeth on eden prime turned humans into husks within a matter of hours
furthermore the reaper tech seen in the TIM comic can augment the body while keeping the mind intact and such
the big reveal of ME3:
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This is Cereberus we're talking about here.
The Reaper switch just caused her (excuse me, it) to have a heroic blue screen of death, warp to TIM's office, and punch him through that big star he's so fond of staring over.
That is scary.... What did BioWare do, just copy his face pixel for pixel?
Yes?
Also, that pic is weird. The background line is so close to the top of his jeans that it looks like the top half of a hauntingly beautiful dude with great abs was pasted onto someone else's pants.
actually either way
i agree.
i also want to see jack's new appearance.
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(At this point, I really don't care anymore. I'll just import over a different, non-awesome save that has that bit if I want to see the end result of it.)
Turns out, if you don't visit that seemingly-insignificant artifact,
Samara's outfit didn't fit the PG rating they were aiming for.
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I'm guessing Donovan Hock would be the guy they're robbing.
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Nonetheless that's awesome
As for Veetor over Samara...well, dude did heck a whole security system.
So...honestly, makes perfect sense to me.
Wouldn't that be more masturbatory? Like having children with other player heroes in Fable 3.
Edit: The original artist was nice enough to explain who was 'recast' as who: http://pen-gwyn.deviantart.com/art/ME2-Shepard-s-Eleven-Poster-168557919?q=1&qo=1
Minimum of two humans on their knees in every scene.
That makes it good.
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