What's so bad about getting a Wriggles on a laneing ad champ? It's super cost efficient, gives armor/damage/lifesteal, and the infinite wards to protect you from any ganks.
I do it all the time, it's a really nice early item on AD.
Don't know if this is bug or that hidden passive that was hinted at, but with Leona if you go attack,Q,then click to attack again, you'll attack three times in a row quickly. Pretty easy to do versus turrets.
Don't know if this is bug or that hidden passive that was hinted at, but with Leona if you go attack,Q,then click to attack again, you'll attack three times in a row quickly. Pretty easy to do versus turrets.
that sounds like what happens with most "on next hit" abilities. they reset your auto attack so you can rapidly get 2-3 hits on something
as is the case with morde, yorick, nasus, etc
edit: speaking of which, I would like to see a combo based champ based entirely around these types of moves. like the order you did them in would grant different effects or some such
What's so bad about getting a Wriggles on a laneing ad champ? It's super cost efficient, gives armor/damage/lifesteal, and the infinite wards to protect you from any ganks.
I do it all the time, it's a really nice early item on AD.
People have been pretty sore that it used to be much much better for lane AD so there may be some overreaction to the nerf
There's also general prejudice against early/mid game finished items like wriggles. I admit I sometimes fall into 'go big or go home' with things like deathcap, IEdge etc
that comic must be old, if it's from the days when shaco was actually good
I've had decent success with him this patch, and without the old experience to boot. I don't think he's top tier, but his JITBs are still pretty ridiculous.
My most recent game was a loss to a shaco actually. BDing son of a bitch that he was.
wriggles isn't very efficient anymore for non junglers. it's a generic life leech item that doesn't build into anything.
I tentatively agree, with the caveat that it is efficient, but only for people who need the stuff it has on it. Bloodthirster is a pretty compelling alternative for a good number of ranged AD.
One of the best things I think it does is serve as a warding reminder. I find I ward better with a Wriggle's than without it.
Don't know if this is bug or that hidden passive that was hinted at, but with Leona if you go attack,Q,then click to attack again, you'll attack three times in a row quickly. Pretty easy to do versus turrets.
Her Q resets her swing timer so you'll attack right after you hit it. It's a similar mechanic with champs like Nassus and Poppy.
wriggles isn't very efficient anymore for non junglers. it's a generic life leech item that doesn't build into anything.
Well, the problem is that sometimes there's nothing else for your lifesteal slot. Without lifesteal you've got to visit the fountain way too often. There just aren't very many viable lifesteal items in the game.
Gunblade and Bilgewater aren't good for most champs.
Executioner's Calling is mostly crap.
Stark's Fervor is great, but doesn't work in some comps. It's just a waste if you're the only AD.
That just leaves Wriggle's Lantern and Bloodthirster. And hey, free wards!
wriggles isn't very efficient anymore for non junglers. it's a generic life leech item that doesn't build into anything.
Well, the problem is that sometimes there's nothing else for your lifesteal slot. Without lifesteal you've got to visit the fountain way too often. There just aren't very many viable lifesteal items in the game.
Gunblade and Bilgewater aren't good for most champs.
Executioner's Calling is mostly crap.
Stark's Fervor is great, but doesn't work in some comps. It's just a waste if you're the only AD.
That just leaves Wriggle's Lantern and Bloodthirster. And hey, free wards!
a couple doran's blades is a decent option for life steal
I laned against a not very good heimer without flash. I feel a little dirty. all he could do was stand there while I stabbed him in his little yordle face
I love how much of this thread is "[ANECDOTAL OPINION]" followed by "[YOUR ANECDOTAL OPINION IS INVALID DUE TO MY ANECDOTAL OPINION]".
With that said, I prefer Jungle Udyr.
I've never said that it wasn't good, just that my extensive experience proves you can consistently beat lane udyr by ganking often with jungle udyr.
As a disclaimer, a lane udyr team did beat us today, but that's because our AD carry went 1/7 in the 2v2 bot lane. So 1 point for lane udyr I guess?
Given the scenario you described earlier, you can beat ANY character with that set-up. I'm sure even the slipperiest of the slippery would have trouble dealing with that kind bullshit.
That's true to a point, but I've found that it is as or more successful against Lane Udyr than Irelia (free merc treads passive) or Akali without the benefit of true sight.
Again, not trying to say he isn't good, but I've found the tone take about him to be a bit on the hysterical side. He's good, but I've consistently countered him and lanewick over and over and over again.
Irelia is rather OP at this point anyways, so anything short of a 3-pronged gank isn't going to accomplish much.
And Udyr is actually better than Lanewick after the changes they've made to WW's Q thanks to the way Turtle form interprets damage dealt.
Irelia is rather OP at this point anyways, so anything short of a 3-pronged gank isn't going to accomplish much.
I really wish people would get off this horse. Irelia is in a fantastic spot at this point. The only thing that might even be remotely considered OP is her sustain. But if that's the current metric of OP, well then do I have a list.
One time I was tanking on Jarvan for a team that was three AP and Warwick.
I got a couple of kills soloing top and the other team was like "HAHA, FUCK YOU JARVAN, WE GOT ARMOR JUST TO FUCK YOUR DAY UP "
and then in team fights they melted under LeBlanc, Annie and Ryze
It was beautiful
I wept
This happened the other day. I played MF for the first time, got 4 kills in the jungle fight, went to top and dominated annie, but because we had a karthus they built MR and not armor.
Irelia is rather OP at this point anyways, so anything short of a 3-pronged gank isn't going to accomplish much.
I really wish people would get off this horse. Irelia is in a fantastic spot at this point. The only thing that might even be remotely considered OP is her sustain. But if that's the current metric of OP, well then do I have a list.
Her Q is stupid good, as is her E. Her ult became EVEN BETTER when they turned it into physical damage from magical. And lets not even get into how well her passive compliments a pair of Merc Treads. Do that and we'll be here all day.
Irelia is rather OP at this point anyways, so anything short of a 3-pronged gank isn't going to accomplish much.
I really wish people would get off this horse. Irelia is in a fantastic spot at this point. The only thing that might even be remotely considered OP is her sustain. But if that's the current metric of OP, well then do I have a list.
Her Q is stupid good, as is her E. Her ult became EVEN BETTER when they turned it into physical damage from magical. And lets not even get into how well her passive compliments a pair of Merc Treads. Do that and we'll be here all day.
They've nerfed the damage on her Ult twice since the change you're describing. Between Q and E, Irelia does no more damage than a Jarvan, XZ, or Jax. Her Q is only decent if it last hits. Her E is powerful, but basically you're just complaining about every single portion of her kit. Even Guinsoo has gone on record to say that after his Twitter overreaction, they have tabled all future Irelia changes for further consideration, because they feel it will overnerf her.
Yeah, I don't really see it. She's pretty good, but she's not on my top 10 list of champs I would rather not see picked by the enemies(TF probably topping that list).
I needed to bring my gaming PC to the shop, but I paid for a booster I need to take advantage of! So I'm installing LoL on my old laptop via the retail disc to speed up the process, but it's taking forever to update. I could use some help:
It's stuck on "updating LoL Runtime - .06 MB Remaining, at 8KB per second." What could be holding up this installation? It says downloading is 100% complete...
EDIT - Ah, here's the log:
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Irelia is rather OP at this point anyways, so anything short of a 3-pronged gank isn't going to accomplish much.
I really wish people would get off this horse. Irelia is in a fantastic spot at this point. The only thing that might even be remotely considered OP is her sustain. But if that's the current metric of OP, well then do I have a list.
Her Q is stupid good, as is her E. Her ult became EVEN BETTER when they turned it into physical damage from magical. And lets not even get into how well her passive compliments a pair of Merc Treads. Do that and we'll be here all day.
They've nerfed the damage on her Ult twice since the change you're describing. Between Q and E, Irelia does no more damage than a Jarvan, XZ, or Jax. Her Q is only decent if it last hits. Her E is powerful, but basically you're just complaining about every single portion of her kit. Even Guinsoo has gone on record to say that after his Twitter overreaction, they have tabled all future Irelia changes for further consideration, because they feel it will overnerf her.
Her Q is fantastic for getting into a fight and dealing a healthy amount of damage, especially with a Sheen/Triforce proc. And even with the damage reduction to her ult (which isn't in any way a nerf since it now does physical damage instead of magical), she still has a very strong kit that's hard to beat in the realm of Tanky DPS melee characters.
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I do it all the time, it's a really nice early item on AD.
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that sounds like what happens with most "on next hit" abilities. they reset your auto attack so you can rapidly get 2-3 hits on something
as is the case with morde, yorick, nasus, etc
edit: speaking of which, I would like to see a combo based champ based entirely around these types of moves. like the order you did them in would grant different effects or some such
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People have been pretty sore that it used to be much much better for lane AD so there may be some overreaction to the nerf
There's also general prejudice against early/mid game finished items like wriggles. I admit I sometimes fall into 'go big or go home' with things like deathcap, IEdge etc
I've had decent success with him this patch, and without the old experience to boot. I don't think he's top tier, but his JITBs are still pretty ridiculous.
My most recent game was a loss to a shaco actually. BDing son of a bitch that he was.
He's a pretty cool guy.
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I tentatively agree, with the caveat that it is efficient, but only for people who need the stuff it has on it. Bloodthirster is a pretty compelling alternative for a good number of ranged AD.
One of the best things I think it does is serve as a warding reminder. I find I ward better with a Wriggle's than without it.
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Her Q resets her swing timer so you'll attack right after you hit it. It's a similar mechanic with champs like Nassus and Poppy.
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Well, the problem is that sometimes there's nothing else for your lifesteal slot. Without lifesteal you've got to visit the fountain way too often. There just aren't very many viable lifesteal items in the game.
Gunblade and Bilgewater aren't good for most champs.
Executioner's Calling is mostly crap.
Stark's Fervor is great, but doesn't work in some comps. It's just a waste if you're the only AD.
That just leaves Wriggle's Lantern and Bloodthirster. And hey, free wards!
if it makes you feel better I went 6/0 in mid as swain like a week and a half ago and managed to lose that
a couple doran's blades is a decent option for life steal
anyway I just had 320 AD on jarvan. it owned
I got a couple of kills soloing top and the other team was like "HAHA, FUCK YOU JARVAN, WE GOT ARMOR JUST TO FUCK YOUR DAY UP
and then in team fights they melted under LeBlanc, Annie and Ryze
It was beautiful
I wept
or
i feed
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
And Udyr is actually better than Lanewick after the changes they've made to WW's Q thanks to the way Turtle form interprets damage dealt.
I really wish people would get off this horse. Irelia is in a fantastic spot at this point. The only thing that might even be remotely considered OP is her sustain. But if that's the current metric of OP, well then do I have a list.
This happened the other day. I played MF for the first time, got 4 kills in the jungle fight, went to top and dominated annie, but because we had a karthus they built MR and not armor.
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They've nerfed the damage on her Ult twice since the change you're describing. Between Q and E, Irelia does no more damage than a Jarvan, XZ, or Jax. Her Q is only decent if it last hits. Her E is powerful, but basically you're just complaining about every single portion of her kit. Even Guinsoo has gone on record to say that after his Twitter overreaction, they have tabled all future Irelia changes for further consideration, because they feel it will overnerf her.
It's stuck on "updating LoL Runtime - .06 MB Remaining, at 8KB per second." What could be holding up this installation? It says downloading is 100% complete...
EDIT - Ah, here's the log:
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