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What should be done about North Korea?

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Inca wrote:
    Also, it's unlikely that the PRC will cut off ties to the DPRK anytime soon. Regime collapse would see a bunch of refugees coming into northeast China, and the likely presence of US troops even closer to the Yalu. Not exactly top of the CCP's wishlist for the next... ever.

    I was about to come in here to say this. China supports NK because it benefits them to have a buffer between them and the US.

  • AssuranAssuran Is swinging on the Spiral Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    As others have mentioned, there's really not much we can do. Every scenario for outside change possible is a losing scenario. The simple fact is even if we wanted to enact change, they have nukes and Seoul over a barrel. The theory of MAD remains that both sides are rational actors, and no rational actor wants a nuclear wasteland to live in (ok, so that was dumbed down, but basically correct). NK is certainly not rational, so I'm fairly confident that they'd merrily lob nukes at Japan and SK if the regime felt like they were going out anyways. Maybe even China if the Kims felt they were betrayed.

    Wikileaks has tought us that even China has less influence than what the FP crowd thought. Try reading NK material at www.foreignpolicy.com and realize how little options we actually have regarding NK.

    I came to the conclusion long ago that trickling technology in via cellphones, ipads, iphones, etc. is really our best hope to enact change.

    It's a distressing situation, and one where many innocent people are going to die, but one we have to manage with patience.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Assuran wrote:
    As others have mentioned, there's really not much we can do. Every scenario for outside change possible is a losing scenario. The simple fact is even if we wanted to enact change, they have nukes and Seoul over a barrel. The theory of MAD remains that both sides are rational actors, and no rational actor wants a nuclear wasteland to live in (ok, so that was dumbed down, but basically correct). NK is certainly not rational, so I'm fairly confident that they'd merrily lob nukes at Japan and SK if the regime felt like they were going out anyways. Maybe even China if the Kims felt they were betrayed.

    Wikileaks has tought us that even China has less influence than what the FP crowd thought. Try reading NK material at www.foreignpolicy.com and realize how little options we actually have regarding NK.

    I came to the conclusion long ago that trickling technology in via cellphones, ipads, iphones, etc. is really our best hope to enact change.

    It's a distressing situation, and one where many innocent people are going to die, but one we have to manage with patience.

    Yes, I was only half joking earlier.

    Our best bet is to passively increase access to information to the North Korean public. Direct confrontation wont get us anywhere.

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  • L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    they actually unbanned DVD players in NK a year or two ago and now a heap of pirated south korean media comes in from the chinese traders and makes some of them think "huh the south's not really that bad..."

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Porn man, we need to get them porn

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  • L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    wouldn't be surprised if there's huge demand for that too, south korean porn consumption rates are really high even though it's illegal to produce it there

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    that didn't work all that well for the Vietnamese (minus the food and maps)

    On the other hand, Hanoi tried the same thing with bicycles, and it worked out pretty well for a lot of them.
    Quid wrote:
    Inca wrote:
    Also, it's unlikely that the PRC will cut off ties to the DPRK anytime soon. Regime collapse would see a bunch of refugees coming into northeast China, and the likely presence of US troops even closer to the Yalu. Not exactly top of the CCP's wishlist for the next... ever.

    I was about to come in here to say this. China supports NK because it benefits them to have a buffer between them and the US.

    That, and by this point, the status quo is preferable to an even worse humanitarian catastrophe.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
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