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Bombing in [Oslo]

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    I think Fox is probably happy they're no longer in the Glenn Beck business.


    Beck: Murdered youths were probably Nazis.

    Beck has Nazi Tourette's. He plays "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon," except there's just one degree and Kevin Bacon is Hitler.

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  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot. does not eat bugs!Registered User regular
    Echo wrote:
    I think Fox is probably happy they're no longer in the Glenn Beck business.


    Beck: Murdered youths were probably Nazis.

    Beck has Nazi Tourette's. He plays "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon," except there's just one degree and Kevin Bacon is Hitler.

    How can Kevin Bacon be a Nazi when he's also a Muslim and an atheist?


    It's true though; no matter how any Glenn Beck theory starts, it will assuredly end with Nazis/Muslims/Social Progressives. Which is hilarious, could there couldn't be three more dissimilar groups.

  • DigitalDDigitalD Registered User
    SanderJK wrote:
    The Rotterdam story is probably an extreme twist on a local right wing party campaigning on the removal of all information provided to the public in arabic. (Fliers about government services and citizen rights, and how to apply for various stuff). Perhaps possible with some hubbub about state funded translators in hospitals.

    I'd bet that in general, getting into Europe, getting asylum, or becoming a resident/citizen without 'first world' papers is far harder than getting into the US is though. We already have fences and such up in eastern europe, there is no such thing as birthright citizenship, it's a lot more difficult to work illegally here. With regard to immigration policy, the phrase "Fortress Europe" is often heard.

    We're getting there, give us time. The thing is though that immigrating to the USA is well, pretty damn hard. We're all the way across the ocean from most of the places to immigrate to Europe which works in our favor.

  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    From Wiki
    Non-European immigrant groups (Middle Eastern, African, Asian etc.) account for about 3% to 4% of the European population or 22 to 30 million people.
    Norway has 7.5% immigrant population, but that's primarily other Europeans... Muslims make up 2% of the population.
    Urcbub wrote:
    Bagginses wrote:
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    Zzulu wrote:
    if you count Europe as a whole it receives a lot more than America

    but no one ever does~

    The quote was against the "rest of the entire world". I can buy more than any other single nation, but not more than the rest of the world combined.

    For Europe, I'd bet that the number is inflated by counting immigrants moving within Europe.

    Which would still count as permanent residents/immigrants as Europe is not one single nation.

    Within the EU in terms of immigration/residency its not. While autonomy exists in most areas, open borders makes the unit essentially one superstate in this instance. The "immigration" that is being railed against is also almost never white immigration. Occasionally you'll get a rant against Eastern Europeans but a vast majority of the complaints are aimed at non-Europeans and/or non-Christians.

    In the UK its Pakistani. In Germany its Turks. In France its Muslims in general (Algerians primarily I would think). In Switzerland, 22% of the population is foreign born, but its mosques are the target of the fear mongering despite <5% of the population being Muslim and well over 90% of the population being ethnically European. In Norway, Islam makes up 2% of the population and the two biggest sources are Poland and Sweden. As people like this shooter rail against multiculturalism, he lives in a country that is 80+% Lutheran and roughly 96% ethnically Norwegian. Compared to the US/Canada, Europe is incredibly homogeneous both overall (Europe is 96-97% ethnically European) and within almost every country.

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    Europe is only incredibly homogeneous if you consider all the cultural and ethnic differences within Europe to be irrelevant, and subscribe to the idea that all Caucasians are the same with a similar culture and language and religious traditions. Within a specific country, the society might be homogeneous, but from country to country, the differences might be very significant. Certainly greater than between most states in the US.

    One could just as well claim that Papua New Guinea is incredibly homogenous due to all the people there being from PNG with few foreigners, ignoring that nearly every tribe has a different language and most differ in culture and traditions significantly, with the most common feature between them being on the same island and being of a darker complexion.

  • ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User
    Yeah, the numbers of muslims are perceived as much larger than they really are by some people.
    I remember an argument I had with a kid on another forum where I in my research was personally surprised by what I found:

    [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20063390&postcount=371
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    I will thus conclude that the total number of religiously active Muslims is somewhere between the official number of around 100,000 and the estimate of 150,000, meaning that it's just 1-2% of the Swedes that are active, believing Muslims.
    The only number I have managed to find is the one from the Islamic Centre in Malmö, who as you remember said that there might be "as much as 45000 persons with an muslim background in Malmö" ([URL="http://www.mosken.se)/&quot;]http://www.mosken.se)[/URL]. This is probably an generous guess as the Centre benefit from a larger number of Muslims, but I'll take this number as an estimate on how many people can be considered "ethnic Muslims" (A reminder, the ethnic Muslim is someone that "belongs to a Muslim people by birth, has Muslim origin, has a name that belongs in the Muslim tradition, etc.) and with Sanders estimate, 15%, of how many ethnic muslims turn out to be practicing muslims, we have:

    45,000 religious and non-religious Muslims ( 16.9% of all inhabitants in Malmö)

    6,750 religious Muslims (2.5% of all inhabitants in Malmö)

    38,250 non-religious Muslims (14.4 % of all inhabitants in Malmö)

  • ToldoToldo But actually, WeegianRegistered User regular
    Scientologists have set up camp in downtown Oslo, offering someone to talk to and some form of healing hands therapy.

    Fuck everything about that.

  • JepheryJephery Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    They could just call it a hug. Hugs and a shoulder to cry on are good things without the pseudoscience.

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited July 2011
    Toldo wrote:
    Scientologists have set up camp in downtown Oslo, offering someone to talk to and some form of healing hands therapy.

    Fuck everything about that.

    Oh god those twats again. They're fucking disaster tourists. Did the same shit during the Haiti earthquake.

    And the asshats even arrived with nothing but money and some clothes - they intended to buy food and water for people when in Haiti.

    Look, you shits, the problem wasn't that people couldn't afford it.

    Fuck scientologists.

    edit: I'll just leave this quote.
    His right leg was amputated below the knee and his left leg was severely bruised and swollen.

    More than half of his fellow students died in the rubble of his school, although the rest of his family was unscathed, he said, thanking God.

    "One hour ago he had no sensation in his left leg, so I explained the method to him, I touched him and after a while he said 'now I feel everything'," said Sylvie.

    "Otherwise they might have had to amputate his other leg. Now his sister knows the method and she can do it."

    Echo on
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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    I think Fox is probably happy they're no longer in the Glenn Beck business.


    Beck: Murdered youths were probably Nazis.

    I... I came here to post a quick note about how I heard that the shooter's lawyer was saying, "[The shooter] is probably insane." Like no shit.

    And now this. What the fuck.

    Centrism is just the cowardly way to be a bigot w/o being explicit about it.
    American politics isn't 4D chess, it's just if you give a shit about other people or not.
  • Boring7Boring7 Registered User regular
    Slight tangent, is it my imagination or does Oslo shooter guy look like a young L. Ron Hubbard?

    I noticed it when an advertisement for scientology crapped all over my Hulu-watching.

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  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    Ellis help me all I could think of when I heard the shooters name was Dragon Age II was fucking prophetic.

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  • Boring7Boring7 Registered User regular
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/26/999200/-Glenn-BeckConsider-yourself-on-notice*Pictures-fixed*-?via=siderec

    In short: A lot of teabagger comments from Glenn Beck's blog which all say Anders was right, or at least darned close.

    Thanatos wrote: »
    Goldman Sachs may as well be named COBRA.
  • DigitalDDigitalD Registered User
    Boring7 wrote:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/26/999200/-Glenn-BeckConsider-yourself-on-notice*Pictures-fixed*-?via=siderec

    In short: A lot of teabagger comments from Glenn Beck's blog which all say Anders was right, or at least darned close.

    don't read KOS, makes you stupid. but yes not shocked. Beck is a fucking violence monger.

  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Surreal. Immersive. Earth.Registered User regular
    Boring7 wrote:
    Slight tangent, is it my imagination or does Oslo shooter guy look like a young L. Ron Hubbard?

    I noticed it when an advertisement for scientology crapped all over my Hulu-watching.
    I guess so. Hubbard had a 'thing' for military uniforms too. Both wackos.

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  • SiskaSiska Shorty Registered User regular
    Names and pictures of those who died or are still missing.

    http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/terrordadetinorge/offren/

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  • apricotmuffinsapricotmuffins Angry Bee Registered User regular
    was in Oslo today. We didnt go very near to the bomb site, but we did see a fair few shops with their windows all boarded and there were streets with glass fallen in between the cobbles. A lot of the windows are already replaced, clearly. but it was still eerie and a little bit emotional, a real sense that the place has been wounded, as it were. Piles of roses and candles on street corners, and the cathedral is just surrounded by them. SO many flowers, and even still, more people placing theirs in memory. Throngs of people standing around to pay their respects to the lives lost, the people wounded and the country that has suffered such a hateful crime.

    A week later, and its clear Oslo, and maybe the whole of Norway is still feeling the effects of all of this.

  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Rhan9 wrote:
    Europe is only incredibly homogeneous if you consider all the cultural and ethnic differences within Europe to be irrelevant, and subscribe to the idea that all Caucasians are the same with a similar culture and language and religious traditions. Within a specific country, the society might be homogeneous, but from country to country, the differences might be very significant. Certainly greater than between most states in the US.

    One could just as well claim that Papua New Guinea is incredibly homogenous due to all the people there being from PNG with few foreigners, ignoring that nearly every tribe has a different language and most differ in culture and traditions significantly, with the most common feature between them being on the same island and being of a darker complexion.

    Well local diversity is more important in most aspects than broad diversity. Yeah Denmark is 95% Lutheran and Spain is 75% Catholic but effectively each is religiously homogeneous. And when it come down to it, Europeans do have similar languages, religious traditions and culture. We call it "Western Civilization".

    European nations are acting as if their culture is being washed away by a flood of foreigners, where foreigners are almost always non-white, non-Christians. There are more Poles in Norway than any other immigrant group but the right wing isn't looking at them.

    If we were to compare it to the United States, the white population is as ethnically and religiously diverse as that of Europe, but there are additional, more numerous other cultural groups (African American and other African descended cultures, Latin, East Asian, Middle Eastern, Subcontinental). The regions of the United States are also pretty damn different from one another- a town in Mississippi is very different from LA is different from a farm in Iowa is different from Boston is different from Houston is different from Upstate New York is different from Idaho. Each region has different jobs, different politics, different ethnicities, different religions, different cultures.

    I'm not saying the US is a bastion of ethnic tolerance by any means to be clear. But the "crisis" of immigration in European countries is dwarfed by US and Canadian immigration.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Surreal. Immersive. Earth.Registered User regular
    Anders Breivik’s plagiarised ‘manifesto’.

    Scumbag didn't even write most of his own book.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    So the fallout from the FOX people is thus:

    The killer can't be christian, because he committed such a horrible act. (O'Reilly.)

    What he did was horrible, but why he did it was correct. (All over the place.)

    Only Nazi's have political camps for indoctrination and education. (Beck.)

    I'm flabbergasted. I've truly hardly ever felt less compassion for the people across the aisle from me.

    Make. Time.
  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    So the fallout from the FOX people is thus:

    The killer can't be christian, because he committed such a horrible act. (O'Reilly.)

    What he did was horrible, but why he did it was correct. (All over the place.)

    Only Nazi's have political camps for indoctrination and education. (Beck.)

    I'm flabbergasted. I've truly hardly ever felt less compassion for the people across the aisle from me.

    Sooo, Jesus Camp?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    Demiurge wrote:
    So the fallout from the FOX people is thus:

    The killer can't be christian, because he committed such a horrible act. (O'Reilly.)

    What he did was horrible, but why he did it was correct. (All over the place.)

    Only Nazi's have political camps for indoctrination and education. (Beck.)

    I'm flabbergasted. I've truly hardly ever felt less compassion for the people across the aisle from me.

    Sooo, Jesus Camp?

    That's about SAVING SOULS not politics JEEZ!

    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • South hostSouth host I obey without question Registered User regular
    So the fallout from the FOX people is thus:

    The killer can't be christian, because he committed such a horrible act. (O'Reilly.)

    What he did was horrible, but why he did it was correct. (All over the place.)

    Only Nazi's have political camps for indoctrination and education. (Beck.)

    I'm flabbergasted. I've truly hardly ever felt less compassion for the people across the aisle from me.

    Wait, really? I've been deliberately avoiding Fox, because I was expecting something like this from some people, but that's a common thing? Fuck.

    Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Demiurge wrote:
    So the fallout from the FOX people is thus:

    The killer can't be christian, because he committed such a horrible act. (O'Reilly.)

    What he did was horrible, but why he did it was correct. (All over the place.)

    Only Nazi's have political camps for indoctrination and education. (Beck.)

    I'm flabbergasted. I've truly hardly ever felt less compassion for the people across the aisle from me.

    Sooo, Jesus Camp?

    Or you know, the "Liberty Camps". The 130 locations worldwide that teach kids the GlennBeckian interpretation of how the founding fathers of the USA were. Every summer.

    Totes retarded.

    Make. Time.
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    South host wrote:
    So the fallout from the FOX people is thus:

    The killer can't be christian, because he committed such a horrible act. (O'Reilly.)

    What he did was horrible, but why he did it was correct. (All over the place.)

    Only Nazi's have political camps for indoctrination and education. (Beck.)

    I'm flabbergasted. I've truly hardly ever felt less compassion for the people across the aisle from me.

    Wait, really? I've been deliberately avoiding Fox, because I was expecting something like this from some people, but that's a common thing? Fuck.

    I want to say it's compartmentalized to fringe people, but from the threads and discussions I've read it's seeping into the mainstream just a wee bit.

    Make. Time.
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    "I'm not saying he should of killed people, but I understand why he would. Because of filthy immigrants and defending the homeland from socialism."

    Is the basic gist.

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  • jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    Kagera wrote:
    "I'm not saying he should of killed people, but I understand why he would. Because of filthy immigrants and defending the homeland from socialism."

    Is the basic gist.

    I think that sort of discourse bears a large part of the blame for the events. Nice to see they haven't learned anything.

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck the search for the means to put an end to things an end to speech is what enables the discourse to continue ~ * ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) excelsior * ~Registered User regular
    In the UK its Pakistani.

    Not really any more. Somalis are the hatred du jour.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    It's only a matter of time until this happens in the US, too. Fox and the teapers are creating an even more poisonous atmosphere, and the access to weapons is much easier.
    It will be a sad day when it happens, but I don't think anyone could say they didn't expect it

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  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited July 2011
    It's only a matter of time until this happens in the US, too. Fox and the teapers are creating an even more poisonous atmosphere, and the access to weapons is much easier.
    It will be a sad day when it happens, but I don't think anyone could say they didn't expect it

    And then you have the Palin camp using rhetorics like "reload and rearm for the next election and have the opponents in our sights", and they'll totally go "oh I didn't mean that when I said it!" after some nutcase takes it literally.

    edit: I just remembered their frenzied backpedalling when whatsherface got shot by Jared Whatshisface. (I'm awesome at names.)

    Apparently Breivik is making lots of demands. He wants a computer and offline version of Wikipedia so he can keep working on "his" manifesto.

    Police gave him paper and a pen.

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular


    The bomber is a guy who has an ok life in one of the world's best countries to live in, where there are no obvious fracture or conflict points and yet he still feels the need to commit an act of gross barbarity, so anyone who expresses any sympathy or understanding for the bomber's ideas gets a pretty big CRAZY stamp over their face, imo.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited July 2011
    The news that the monster who killed so many kids at that camp in Norway is some kind of lone extremist with extremely peculiar views—a Christian, pro-Israel, anti-Muslim Freemason whose rantings include mentions of contrary schools of thought that don’t exist, like a “Vienna school”—should come as horrible relief to all of us who assumed in the immediate aftermath that this was an act of Islamist terrorism. Coming so soon before the anniversary of 9/11, the attack seemed to presage something terrible in the offing. What happened, instead, is something both more frightening (loose madman who is, by virtue of his solitary conduct, almost impossible to intercept before he acts) and more reassuring (this was not Mumbai 2.0, or Beslan). As for those, particularly those on the Israeli anti-Zionist left, who took to Twitter seemingly in celebration of the fact that the killer was not an Islamist—as though that calls into question strong action taken against the Islamists who commit the vast majority of such terrorist acts—one can only say that it is very strange and very sad to see what gives some activists pleasure. He is exactly the kind of psychotic ideologue of the Right so many in this country instantly assumed

    JP when he still assumed it was dem muslims:

    The monstrous events today in Norway—as of this writing, word is that a gunman slaughtered at least 30 kids at a youth camp who had gathered to hear about the earlier bombing of government offices in Oslo—have stirred in me a kind of rage I haven’t felt this viscerally since the days after 9/11, when my apartment in Brooklyn Heights looked out directly on the violent purple gash in the sky that hovered over the wreckage like a demonic counterimage of the holy cloud that followed the Jews through the desert in the aftermath of the Exodus. Perhaps it is that my own daughter is, as I write, at her own day camp outside New York City, and so there is something visceral, primal, in my sense of connection to the dead and dying and their parents. This rage, which is accompanied by all manner of violent thoughts about what should be done and could be done to the living body of the depthlessly evil monster who committed this Satanic act, is disturbing in its intensity. I would like it to go away. But it won’t, and it shouldn’t, because without it–without a stark response to something so purposefully awful–we are unilaterally disarming ourselves. The monster and his comrades have the passion to commit their foul deeds. If we respond with dispassion, we are ceding to them part of the animating force that makes us human. If we decide to intellectualize our emotions rather than allow them to influence us, we are turning our back on our responsibility to those whose lives were stripped from them.

    Where did the passion go?

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  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    Ellis help me all I could think of when I heard the shooters name was Dragon Age II was fucking prophetic.

    Holy shit. I did not realize the coincidence. And the fucker liked Dragon Age.
    Weird shit.

    According to the Wiki they are considering charging him with crimes against humanity. But I don't know if this counts. To me that crime was always large, armed, organized groups. Mass sustained atrocities. This was an act of mass murder and terrorism. I think it cheapens the term.

    What do you guys think?

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    The Democrats aren't crazy but they are still, you know, running the US and it's foreign policy. Which is in the "you don't have a global hegemony without bombing a few eggs" wheelhouse.
  • UrcbubUrcbub Registered User
    PantsB wrote:

    If we were to compare it to the United States, the white population is as ethnically and religiously diverse as that of Europe, but there are additional, more numerous other cultural groups (African American and other African descended cultures, Latin, East Asian, Middle Eastern, Subcontinental). The regions of the United States are also pretty damn different from one another- a town in Mississippi is very different from LA is different from a farm in Iowa is different from Boston is different from Houston is different from Upstate New York is different from Idaho. Each region has different jobs, different politics, different ethnicities, different religions, different cultures.

    What a load of crock. The only difference between cities in the US are natural differences such as climate, vegetation, and wildlife. And that is pretty natural considering the size of the nation. Architecture, fashion, popular trends, urban development all remains very much the same. Not to mention that a city in Washington will share the majority of its shops and restaurants with towns in Texas, Maine, Ohio, etc.

    And in the same manner: politics (the same two parties are presented throughout, only difference is dominance), jobs, religions, and culture remains the same throughout the US with only minor differences. The biggest changes you see is in differences in ethnicity.

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