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  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote:
    Wash wrote:
    If given the choice between good story and good writing, good story wins.

    I will however dig the shit out of some good writing where the story is basically irrelevant or nonexistant

    a good book is king

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote:
    Since writers have become more skilled and in addition have a much more intelligent audience to please, genre distinctions are almost moot now.

    Every story worth reading is comprised of no less than two-genres these days.

    what?

    It is very hard to define things amongst one pure genre anymore. HP is a fantasy story, but as others have pointed out, it is really a coming of age story.

    Science-fiction often contains elements of horror.

    I'm just saying the pillars of many of these genres that people use to define them are kind of falling to the wayside of hybridization.

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Thanks, Obama.

    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    We aren't really appreciably more intelligent than we were when writing was invented

    Of course, to prove any of this you'd have to measure intelligence

    You'd also have to measure the intelligence of people who died 6000 years ago

    fuck gendered marketing
  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Steve is implying more that people understand genre conventions and such more. The art of writing, just like everything else ever has evolved and become more of a refined thing now.

    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote:
    is "good story" in this sense plot

    because plot isn't terribly important

    No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.

    It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:

    "For sale: baby shoes, never worn."

    That is pretty standard writing but a great story.

    yes! Yes. Something about story being plot *onomatopoetic verb of sort of the sound of mismatched gears meaning "did not feel right" which is a word english doesn't have, but should* for me

    this is a p good description of it

    to take an example that isn't books: Dragon Age II. The plot, not really there for most of it. The "writing", in this case, the gameplay, graphics, voice acting, all that, p good but not amazing on the whole, the story? Shit yeah that is good. It may start of seemingly meandering but fuck does it end up engaging, interesting and thought-provoking.

    I like those criteria.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Intelligent is pretty relative. The human mind is pretty impressive in it's flexibility.

  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    Elldren wrote:
    We aren't really appreciably more intelligent than we were when writing was invented

    Of course, to prove any of this you'd have to measure intelligence

    You'd also have to measure the intelligence of people who died 6000 years ago

    There is this thing, but I'm not informed enough to say much about that.

    Right. Bed. Night.

    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    rrr

    nothing is coming

    gonna try for an extension

    the client has been pretty good so far, so there's a decent chance I'll get another day or two

    not sure what to do then, though; would it be better to take the day off and hope that I'll feel better tomorrow, or would that just be delaying the work like I did yesterday?

  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote:
    but it makes the genre too wide to be useful

    Fantasy as a descriptor isn't useful beyond being a very broad description.

  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    you can't just assume positive change over time

    fuck gendered marketing
  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Intelligent is pretty relative. The human mind is pretty impressive in it's flexibility.

    Mine can do reverse cowgirl and wheelbarrow style.

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Gooey wrote:
    Thomamelas wrote:
    Gooey wrote:
    I am amused by the underlying assumption by the purveyors of bitcoin people that the currency is better because it exists outside the influence of the governmental sphere

    one day some currency trader is going to make a fucking mint on the stuff (no pun intended) by manipulating the bitcoin market specifically because there is no governmental regulation.

    I would be surprised if there isn't already someone out there at an I-bank dreaming up a scheme right now

    DDoS two mid-size exchanges. Start spreading a rumor they've been hacked. Watch price drop like the last time it happened. Buy low. Wait two weeks. Set up a fake Amazon PR announcement that they will be accepting bitcoin due the the sales tax issue. Sell high.

    I was thinking this same sort of thing, haha. Even better if you can get an options market going.

    Which is a shame because with an options market I could make a profit on the price drop too. And I'm mercenary enough that I view getting paid twice as a good option. Hell with an options market I could get paid three times. Which is always better then getting paid twice.

  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote:
    is "good story" in this sense plot

    because plot isn't terribly important

    No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.

    It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:

    "For sale: baby shoes, never worn."

    That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
    I would call that great writing, not a great story

    it's the execution people remember not the story

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    The average brain size is getting lower over time but that doesn't really mean a whole lot when a good education is usually required to have the skills need to be considered intelligent by most people.

    Couscous on
  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited July 2011
    Erotica is the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    Elki on
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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote:
    Steve is implying more that people understand genre conventions and such more. The art of writing, just like everything else ever has evolved and become more of a refined thing now.

    Yes. Eddy saved my ass.

    My roommate came home when I was writing that original post so I was typing with a middle-school competency.

    This is what I meant.

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    To supplement my income I've started putting together erotica.

    This is not a joke.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Shit that follows genre conventions almost perfectly still has a good market.

  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    he wanged her hard and she felt good and thanked him for his masterful wanging

    Senjutsu on
    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote:
    Elendil wrote:
    is "good story" in this sense plot

    because plot isn't terribly important

    No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.

    It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:

    "For sale: baby shoes, never worn."

    That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
    I would call that great writing, not a great story

    it's the execution people remember not the story

    I actually do agree that this, as a package, is brilliant writing.

    But when I'm talking about writing versus story, I'm talking about technical proficiency.

    There is nothing wonderfully stylistic or inventive about Hemingways usage of words or punctuation or sentence structure there.

    But he told a complete, heartbreaking and compelling story.

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Senjutsu wrote:
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    he wanged her hard and she felt good and thanked him for his masterful wanging
    I liked this better when it was dr. who fanfic

    Elendil on
  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    To supplement my income I've started putting together erotica.

    This is not a joke.

    What do you mean by "putting together"

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  • TavTav Registered User regular
  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    the final entry: fuck written 50,000 times

    You could be anywhere
    On the black screen
  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    Senj you got me all excited on a Sunday night when I'm already too tired to start a new project!

    You have uh

    Intellectually blueballed me

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    To supplement my income I've started putting together erotica.

    This is not a joke.

    Worked for Anne Rice.

  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    Wash wrote:
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    To supplement my income I've started putting together erotica.

    This is not a joke.

    What do you mean by "putting together"

    Throwing together cliches erotica stories to sell to people on craigslist.

    To say "writing erotica" is an overstatement because I'm literally putting the minimal amount of effort into it

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    Tar what is up

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote:
    Since writers have become more skilled and in addition have a much more intelligent audience to please, genre distinctions are almost moot now.

    Every story worth reading is comprised of no less than two-genres these days.

    what?

    It is very hard to define things amongst one pure genre anymore. HP is a fantasy story, but as others have pointed out, it is really a coming of age story.

    Science-fiction often contains elements of horror.

    I'm just saying the pillars of many of these genres that people use to define them are kind of falling to the wayside of hybridization.

    I was mostly saying "what" to the first part but nevermind this is more interesting

    anyway, genres have been changing forever

    science-fiction now is not like science-fiction as it was, where a lot of important works are dystopic works where whatever science they've fictionalized is used to comment on society in some way, and that is a far cry from hard sci-fi that is an exploration of mankind's maybe possible future, etc etc

    I'd say that genres like "science-fiction" and "fantasy" simply aren't, because they're such useless terms

    HP is a coming of age story that happens to have magic in it, LOTR is a sort of saga/myth, Narnia is a bible allegory. Lumping all three into one category because all three happen to involve castles and magic at some points is kind of wierd.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    Wash wrote:
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    To supplement my income I've started putting together erotica.

    This is not a joke.

    What do you mean by "putting together"

    Throwing together cliches erotica stories to sell to people on craigslist.

    To say "writing erotica" is an overstatement because I'm literally putting the minimal amount of effort into it

    Worked for Anne Rice.

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    Wash wrote:
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    To supplement my income I've started putting together erotica.

    This is not a joke.

    What do you mean by "putting together"

    Throwing together cliches erotica stories to sell to people on craigslist.

    To say "writing erotica" is an overstatement because I'm literally putting the minimal amount of effort into it

    There's a market for that?

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote:
    Elendil wrote:
    is "good story" in this sense plot

    because plot isn't terribly important

    No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.

    It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:

    "For sale: baby shoes, never worn."

    That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
    I would call that great writing, not a great story

    it's the execution people remember not the story

    I actually do agree that this, as a package, is brilliant writing.

    But when I'm talking about writing versus story, I'm talking about technical proficiency.

    There is nothing wonderfully stylistic or inventive about Hemingways usage of words or punctuation or sentence structure there.

    But he told a complete, heartbreaking and compelling story.
    I would say the invention and stylistic accomplishment is devising a set of words that causes the reader to supply a "complete, heartbreaking, and compelling story" where there is none

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    "Things get better one winter at a time. So if you're going to celebrate something, then have a drink on this: The world is, generally and on balance, a better place to live this year than it was last year."

    Abdhyius on
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  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    Writers are not more skilled, but narrative techniques and complexity have definitely improved. Also new forms of storytelling, i.e. television, film and graphic novels. It's like comparing the plot of TV in the 50s to what you get now.

    I'm a published writer and have a very unique and interesting writing style. I'm also sharp and witty. My profile is well-written and hilarious. My messages are likewise brilliant. And I've been doing this stuff for...four or five years. I know what "works" in terms of good internet dating writing. "Works" in the sense of leading to a "date" with a human female.

    twitch.tv/onthelastcastle
  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Senjutsu wrote:
    Wash wrote:
    Elki wrote:
    Erotica is an the great underutilized genre. I want to write some erotica.

    To supplement my income I've started putting together erotica.

    This is not a joke.

    What do you mean by "putting together"

    Throwing together cliches erotica stories to sell to people on craigslist.

    To say "writing erotica" is an overstatement because I'm literally putting the minimal amount of effort into it

    Worked for Anne Rice.

    Boom!

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    Even more specifically, Harry Potter belongs to the long tradition of English Boarding School genre novels.

    Sarksus wrote: »
    I'm gonna get a PhD in incest.
  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote:
    Elendil wrote:
    Elendil wrote:
    is "good story" in this sense plot

    because plot isn't terribly important

    No. Good story is the implication that what is happening, what has happened, or what is being examined is engaging, interesting or thought provoking.

    It's so terribly cliched now but Hemingway's "shortest story" is a great example of this:

    "For sale: baby shoes, never worn."

    That is pretty standard writing but a great story.
    I would call that great writing, not a great story

    it's the execution people remember not the story

    I actually do agree that this, as a package, is brilliant writing.

    But when I'm talking about writing versus story, I'm talking about technical proficiency.

    There is nothing wonderfully stylistic or inventive about Hemingways usage of words or punctuation or sentence structure there.

    But he told a complete, heartbreaking and compelling story.
    I would say the invention and stylistic accomplishment is devising a set of words that causes the reader to supply a "complete, heartbreaking, and compelling story" where there is none

    what do you mean there is none?

    baby expected, buy baby shoes

    baby lost, sell shoes

    that's a pretty complete - and heartbreaking - story right there

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    So, Muslims stole my credit card number.

    Used it to send money to pro-Islamic religious and political organisations in the UK.

    This is an outrage.

    Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
    Es-annon NEVA 4GET
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