Charlie is constantly the only person you can remotely root for in the gang. But they seem to be pushing that way even harder lately. Between his Jersey Shore moment with the Waitress, his working crazy hard to keep the bar successful while everyone else just planned what to do with the money, his getting screwed by Mac in this latest episode when Mac tattles. I mean, normally he was the most sympathetic but lately they are actually painting him as more and more a good guy who has a fucked up life.
I guess maybe they always did that. But, this season he seems to be getting some positive notes, so it comes off as him earning it a bit.
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they're just coming out and saying a whole lot they usually just infer
not complaining though
maybe a lot is an overstatement
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completely did not expect any actual revenge to be had but by god did I want them to succeed
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they revealed dennis. it was exactly what organichu was talking about. it slowly dawns on you that he's obviously just a psychopath and then they make sure you know
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i lost track of how many call-backs they made in that episode. was it too many? not sure yet. definitely liked part 1 a lot more than part 2 though. i need a second viewing of both
there were some great mac moments
his responses to being fingered as the one who banged Dennis' prom date
reaction to Psycho Pete being a real psycho
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Man, that episode went from hilarious to depressing. I feel sorry for the Gang.
Mac, Charlie, Dennis, and Dee all took a huge beating in high school and never recovered from it; they may be broken sociopaths, but they became that way (at least in part) because of how other people treated them. The main thing I'm going to remember from this episode won't be any of the jokes; instead, it will be the line "Let's go back to the bar. We can hide from the world in the bar."
I'm very concerned with how this series will end. Rob McElhenney is leading everyone to believe that the Gang will end up self-destructing, and maybe realistically they would, but goddamn it, I want to see them salvage their lives.
dennis' loud, awkward rant about being the golden god of the school
it was so amazing and awkward that i paused and unpaused several times
took me 5 minutes of cringing and laughing to get through those 15 seconds
I had to cover my eyes it was so hard to watch. Just imagining someone do that in real life makes me embarrassed for them.
And man, I was waiting for Charlie to bash Schmit's head in with the boom box. As soon as he jumped into the frame and started c-blocking Charlie I knew what was going to happen. Still, after the night they went through though, I was hoping Charlie would snap.
Man, that episode went from hilarious to depressing. I feel sorry for the Gang.
Mac, Charlie, Dennis, and Dee all took a huge beating in high school and never recovered from it; they may be broken sociopaths, but they became that way (at least in part) because of how other people treated them. The main thing I'm going to remember from this episode won't be any of the jokes; instead, it will be the line "Let's go back to the bar. We can hide from the world in the bar."
Eh, I mean, Dee and Charlie may have taken a bit of undeserved punishment in highschool, but Mac and more specifically Dennis seemed like they earned it. Mac was a rat and Dennis was delusional and crazy weird.
Not to mention the fact that the gang DID hang with the popular kids regardless. Charlie was their silly class clown, eat stuff for attention guy, and Mac was their drug dealer. I mean, they were treated sort of poorly, but only in contrast to the absolute top of the popularity food chain. I mean look at Cricket. He was clearly below them. We havent seen anything to indicate their highschool experience was that bad, they simply weren't the coolest kids. Plus look at Fatty-Mcgoo, she turned things around despite having it as bad as Dee.
I like what they have done with Dennis, but it makes things a bit strange in retrospect. I mean, he has always sort of actually been the "golden god" he claims to be. And not just within the context of the group. The DENNIS system is largely successful. The Waitress has always treated him as though he was popular and she was into him. Re-watching old episodes with the context that Dennis was never popular, and is just crazy... well itll be interesting.
I have a feeling Charlie, and perhaps Dee will get a moderately happy ending. Mac and Dennis are fucked.
Sociopath Dennis is again the highlight of the episode. I loved the retread of his rant during the Fraternity episode. "Idiots!" And I hope we meet Pyscho Pete, but I have a feeling that will be saved for the series finale, and that will be how the gang goes out.
I like what they have done with Dennis, but it makes things a bit strange in retrospect. I mean, he has always sort of actually been the "golden god" he claims to be. And not just within the context of the group. The DENNIS system is largely successful. The Waitress has always treated him as though he was popular and she was into him. Re-watching old episodes with the context that Dennis was never popular, and is just crazy... well itll be interesting.
I don't know, I think it fits pretty well. The first three parts of the DENNIS system essentially involve Dennis putting up a completely false facade, so why wouldn't it work?
As for his popularity, well he's still an OK looking guy, but when he doesn't rein himself in his egotism comes forward pretty quickly. As a teenager, egotism is pretty normal and can be a good substitute for actual confidence, so someone like the Waitress thinking he's great fits pretty well as she clearly doesn't like herself at all.
And within the context of the group, Dennis thinks he's awesome and everyone in the gang is usually inclined to believe whatever they're told or think is true...we really saw that with Charlie in these two episodes.
Such an amazing episode. Charlie doing a Captain Morgan pose while hanging on the bathroom stall, Dennis' secret compartment and the slow reveal of his madness, the freight train initiation...
But the whole overproduced dance number dissolving into a bleak, sweaty reality was just the perfect ending to an excellent season. And Schmitty's prophesized appearance just felt so right.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
I like what they have done with Dennis, but it makes things a bit strange in retrospect. I mean, he has always sort of actually been the "golden god" he claims to be. And not just within the context of the group. The DENNIS system is largely successful. The Waitress has always treated him as though he was popular and she was into him. Re-watching old episodes with the context that Dennis was never popular, and is just crazy... well itll be interesting.
I don't know, I think it fits pretty well. The first three parts of the DENNIS system essentially involve Dennis putting up a completely false facade, so why wouldn't it work?
As for his popularity, well he's still an OK looking guy, but when he doesn't rein himself in his egotism comes forward pretty quickly. As a teenager, egotism is pretty normal and can be a good substitute for actual confidence, so someone like the Waitress thinking he's great fits pretty well as she clearly doesn't like herself at all.
And within the context of the group, Dennis thinks he's awesome and everyone in the gang is usually inclined to believe whatever they're told or think is true...we really saw that with Charlie in these two episodes.
Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't fit with the series, there are some inconsistancies, but they can be explained (as you did). I'm just saying it'll be fun to rewatch older episodes with the knowledge that Dennis was never really popular and has always been insane. It puts a different spin on things.
I do have trouble believing that Dennis was always intended to have NOT been popular. I think that is a relatively new (maybe a few seasons) development. He was clearly meant to actually have been popular at first. But this is way better. The only thing I have trouble making fit is why Dee wouldn't have called him out on it? She isn't one to buy into his BS. But maybe from her perspective he WAS popular back then.
Probably because Dennis is fiendishly vicious when challenged. Hell, even in this ep he destroys her when she announces her part in the plan for revenge. Also she's been tagging along all her life, she's only maybe one rung above Gail the Snail.
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This episode seemed only a couple steps away from being the finale the series ultimately deserved.
Dennis could have gone in with his "tools," and stuff could have gone down from which no amount of hiding from the world in their bar would fix.
I was very uncomfortable at moments of this episode, despite how funny it was.
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I imagine he got laid a lot which for mac and charlie would have made him super cool regardless of anything else.
I like what they have done with Dennis, but it makes things a bit strange in retrospect. I mean, he has always sort of actually been the "golden god" he claims to be. And not just within the context of the group. The DENNIS system is largely successful. The Waitress has always treated him as though he was popular and she was into him. Re-watching old episodes with the context that Dennis was never popular, and is just crazy... well itll be interesting.
I don't know, I think it fits pretty well. The first three parts of the DENNIS system essentially involve Dennis putting up a completely false facade, so why wouldn't it work?
Yeah I always figured that Dennis just massively exaggerated how cool he was. I mean, his only competition was Mac and Charlie so it wasn't exactly hard to win the coolness competition. We very rarely see him have any actual success with women on the show- I think the only one who actually has sex with him is the Waitress, who is also very troubled.
I like what they have done with Dennis, but it makes things a bit strange in retrospect. I mean, he has always sort of actually been the "golden god" he claims to be. And not just within the context of the group. The DENNIS system is largely successful. The Waitress has always treated him as though he was popular and she was into him. Re-watching old episodes with the context that Dennis was never popular, and is just crazy... well itll be interesting.
I don't know, I think it fits pretty well. The first three parts of the DENNIS system essentially involve Dennis putting up a completely false facade, so why wouldn't it work?
Yeah I always figured that Dennis just massively exaggerated how cool he was. I mean, his only competition was Mac and Charlie so it wasn't exactly hard to win the coolness competition. We very rarely see him have any actual success with women on the show- I think the only one who actually has sex with him is the Waitress, who is also very troubled.
the pharmacist? the dozens of sex tapes?
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I like what they have done with Dennis, but it makes things a bit strange in retrospect. I mean, he has always sort of actually been the "golden god" he claims to be. And not just within the context of the group. The DENNIS system is largely successful. The Waitress has always treated him as though he was popular and she was into him. Re-watching old episodes with the context that Dennis was never popular, and is just crazy... well itll be interesting.
I don't know, I think it fits pretty well. The first three parts of the DENNIS system essentially involve Dennis putting up a completely false facade, so why wouldn't it work?
Yeah I always figured that Dennis just massively exaggerated how cool he was. I mean, his only competition was Mac and Charlie so it wasn't exactly hard to win the coolness competition. We very rarely see him have any actual success with women on the show- I think the only one who actually has sex with him is the Waitress, who is also very troubled.
the pharmacist? the dozens of sex tapes?
the dude with long blond hair and the fat black guy?
"HOW'S THAT ASS FEEL"
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Dennis has always come across as crazy. He was the cool guy to the gang and the waitress, not exactly sterling examples of popularity or sanity. Even Fatty McGoo was less than impressed when he showed up at her shop and that was before he pulled out the drawings.
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That was AMAZING! I knew something was up with the dance number because of the sound mixing. The overemphasized gesture sounds, and the huge michael jackson scream melt into a tired shout and limpid dance moves. So fucking brilliant.
Also, is Dennis a murderer? The way he was saying "I need my tools" makes it seem like the S&M thing might be a cover up.
I like what they have done with Dennis, but it makes things a bit strange in retrospect. I mean, he has always sort of actually been the "golden god" he claims to be. And not just within the context of the group. The DENNIS system is largely successful. The Waitress has always treated him as though he was popular and she was into him. Re-watching old episodes with the context that Dennis was never popular, and is just crazy... well itll be interesting.
I don't know, I think it fits pretty well. The first three parts of the DENNIS system essentially involve Dennis putting up a completely false facade, so why wouldn't it work?
Yeah I always figured that Dennis just massively exaggerated how cool he was. I mean, his only competition was Mac and Charlie so it wasn't exactly hard to win the coolness competition. We very rarely see him have any actual success with women on the show- I think the only one who actually has sex with him is the Waitress, who is also very troubled.
the pharmacist? the dozens of sex tapes?
well when he actually listened to one of the sex tape, it turned out to be a 16 year old girl that he never really had sex with. I guess he did sleep with the pharmacist, but then she later rejected him.
EH, Mac has watched plenty of his actual sex tapes (non audio) and he doesn't like the closeup ball on ass thing Dennis has going on. Then again, since that shot is used, they could NOT be his tapes.
But there have been other girls, including the hippie chick he bangs while her boyfriend is chained to a tree. Plus with Mac and Frank adding on their own ends to the DENNIS system, it is heavily implied that it has worked quite a bit. And with Mac walking in on Dennis with girls, he at least gets them back to his place, locks the door for their saftey and comforts them when the implication of harm may come their way.
It is possible that Dennis is a serial killer at this point, perhaps inspired by when they thought Mac was, and he and dee dressed up and stalked the waitress. Was it him or Dee that forgot they werent actually going to kill her and got bummed, I remember it being him. Because, what was Dennis going to do with his "tools" if they were just for bondage? I can't wait for future hints that he has murdered folks.
That was AMAZING! I knew something was up with the dance number because of the sound mixing. The overemphasized gesture sounds, and the huge michael jackson scream melt into a tired shout and limpid dance moves. So fucking brilliant.
Also, is Dennis a murderer? The way he was saying "I need my tools" makes it seem like the S&M thing might be a cover up.
Rapist.
"Okay, well I'm not going to take no for an answer because I just refuse to do that because I'm a winner and winners... we don't listen to words like "no" or "don't" or "stop!" Those words are just not in our vocabulary."
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Dennis: Think about it. She's out in the middle of nowhere with some dude she barely knows. She looks around her, what does she see? Nothing but open ocean. "Oh, there's nowhere for me to run, what am I gonna do, say no?"
Mac: Okay...that seems really dark though.
Dennis: No, no, it's not dark. You're misunderstanding me, bro.
Mac: I think I am.
Dennis:Yeah, you are. 'Cause if the girl said no, then the answer obviously is no. The thing is that she's not gonna say no, she'd never say no...because of the implication.
Mac: Now, you said that word "implication" a couple of times. What implication?
Dennis: The implication that things might go wrong for her if she refuses to sleep with me. Now, not that things are gonna go wrong for her, but she's thinking that they will.
Mac: But it sounds like she doesn't wanna have sex with you.
Dennis: Why aren't you understanding this? She doesn't know whether she wants to have sex with me, that's not the issue.
Mac: Are you gonna hurt women?
Dennis: I'm not gonna hurt these women, why would I ever hurt these women? I feel like you're not getting this at all.
Mac: I'm not getting it.
Dennis: Goddamn.
Dennis was also going to sneak into the lawyer's house and have sex with his estranged wife while she sleeps as a "frame bang." The fact that he disputes that this could even be considered rape says a lot.
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I guess maybe they always did that. But, this season he seems to be getting some positive notes, so it comes off as him earning it a bit.
not complaining though
maybe a lot is an overstatement
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there were some great mac moments
reaction to Psycho Pete being a real psycho
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I thought schmitty was used perfectly
Also Dennis's secret compartment. Shit.
dennis' loud, awkward rant about being the golden god of the school
it was so amazing and awkward that i paused and unpaused several times
took me 5 minutes of cringing and laughing to get through those 15 seconds
Mac, Charlie, Dennis, and Dee all took a huge beating in high school and never recovered from it; they may be broken sociopaths, but they became that way (at least in part) because of how other people treated them. The main thing I'm going to remember from this episode won't be any of the jokes; instead, it will be the line "Let's go back to the bar. We can hide from the world in the bar."
I'm very concerned with how this series will end. Rob McElhenney is leading everyone to believe that the Gang will end up self-destructing, and maybe realistically they would, but goddamn it, I want to see them salvage their lives.
I had to cover my eyes it was so hard to watch. Just imagining someone do that in real life makes me embarrassed for them.
And man, I was waiting for Charlie to bash Schmit's head in with the boom box. As soon as he jumped into the frame and started c-blocking Charlie I knew what was going to happen. Still, after the night they went through though, I was hoping Charlie would snap.
Eh, I mean, Dee and Charlie may have taken a bit of undeserved punishment in highschool, but Mac and more specifically Dennis seemed like they earned it. Mac was a rat and Dennis was delusional and crazy weird.
Not to mention the fact that the gang DID hang with the popular kids regardless. Charlie was their silly class clown, eat stuff for attention guy, and Mac was their drug dealer. I mean, they were treated sort of poorly, but only in contrast to the absolute top of the popularity food chain. I mean look at Cricket. He was clearly below them. We havent seen anything to indicate their highschool experience was that bad, they simply weren't the coolest kids. Plus look at Fatty-Mcgoo, she turned things around despite having it as bad as Dee.
I like what they have done with Dennis, but it makes things a bit strange in retrospect. I mean, he has always sort of actually been the "golden god" he claims to be. And not just within the context of the group. The DENNIS system is largely successful. The Waitress has always treated him as though he was popular and she was into him. Re-watching old episodes with the context that Dennis was never popular, and is just crazy... well itll be interesting.
I have a feeling Charlie, and perhaps Dee will get a moderately happy ending. Mac and Dennis are fucked.
Sociopath Dennis is again the highlight of the episode. I loved the retread of his rant during the Fraternity episode. "Idiots!" And I hope we meet Pyscho Pete, but I have a feeling that will be saved for the series finale, and that will be how the gang goes out.
As for his popularity, well he's still an OK looking guy, but when he doesn't rein himself in his egotism comes forward pretty quickly. As a teenager, egotism is pretty normal and can be a good substitute for actual confidence, so someone like the Waitress thinking he's great fits pretty well as she clearly doesn't like herself at all.
And within the context of the group, Dennis thinks he's awesome and everyone in the gang is usually inclined to believe whatever they're told or think is true...we really saw that with Charlie in these two episodes.
Such an amazing episode. Charlie doing a Captain Morgan pose while hanging on the bathroom stall, Dennis' secret compartment and the slow reveal of his madness, the freight train initiation...
Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't fit with the series, there are some inconsistancies, but they can be explained (as you did). I'm just saying it'll be fun to rewatch older episodes with the knowledge that Dennis was never really popular and has always been insane. It puts a different spin on things.
I do have trouble believing that Dennis was always intended to have NOT been popular. I think that is a relatively new (maybe a few seasons) development. He was clearly meant to actually have been popular at first. But this is way better. The only thing I have trouble making fit is why Dee wouldn't have called him out on it? She isn't one to buy into his BS. But maybe from her perspective he WAS popular back then.
Dennis could have gone in with his "tools," and stuff could have gone down from which no amount of hiding from the world in their bar would fix.
I was very uncomfortable at moments of this episode, despite how funny it was.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
the pharmacist? the dozens of sex tapes?
the dude with long blond hair and the fat black guy?
"HOW'S THAT ASS FEEL"
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Also, is Dennis a murderer? The way he was saying "I need my tools" makes it seem like the S&M thing might be a cover up.
well when he actually listened to one of the sex tape, it turned out to be a 16 year old girl that he never really had sex with. I guess he did sleep with the pharmacist, but then she later rejected him.
But there have been other girls, including the hippie chick he bangs while her boyfriend is chained to a tree. Plus with Mac and Frank adding on their own ends to the DENNIS system, it is heavily implied that it has worked quite a bit. And with Mac walking in on Dennis with girls, he at least gets them back to his place, locks the door for their saftey and comforts them when the implication of harm may come their way.
It is possible that Dennis is a serial killer at this point, perhaps inspired by when they thought Mac was, and he and dee dressed up and stalked the waitress. Was it him or Dee that forgot they werent actually going to kill her and got bummed, I remember it being him. Because, what was Dennis going to do with his "tools" if they were just for bondage? I can't wait for future hints that he has murdered folks.
Rapist.
"Okay, well I'm not going to take no for an answer because I just refuse to do that because I'm a winner and winners... we don't listen to words like "no" or "don't" or "stop!" Those words are just not in our vocabulary."
and
Dennis: Think about it. She's out in the middle of nowhere with some dude she barely knows. She looks around her, what does she see? Nothing but open ocean. "Oh, there's nowhere for me to run, what am I gonna do, say no?"
Mac: Okay...that seems really dark though.
Dennis: No, no, it's not dark. You're misunderstanding me, bro.
Mac: I think I am.
Dennis:Yeah, you are. 'Cause if the girl said no, then the answer obviously is no. The thing is that she's not gonna say no, she'd never say no...because of the implication.
Mac: Now, you said that word "implication" a couple of times. What implication?
Dennis: The implication that things might go wrong for her if she refuses to sleep with me. Now, not that things are gonna go wrong for her, but she's thinking that they will.
Mac: But it sounds like she doesn't wanna have sex with you.
Dennis: Why aren't you understanding this? She doesn't know whether she wants to have sex with me, that's not the issue.
Mac: Are you gonna hurt women?
Dennis: I'm not gonna hurt these women, why would I ever hurt these women? I feel like you're not getting this at all.
Mac: I'm not getting it.
Dennis: Goddamn.
Edit: Actually... serial killer.
it was the best pose/camera angle etc. that he could achieved followed by the actual worst.
I heard he's losing the weight but I doubt it was any actual difference for that one shot.
though I could be completely wrong.
Oh god Xzibit is just perfect for that role.
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