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Huntera

I'm sure he meant in a metaphorical sense.

Like he's melee, but can also use the pew pew magic stuff.

Melding

Tox wrote: »

Ahahaha. Everybody on the WotC site is flipping out. They posted the latest Rule-of-Three, talking about the Bladesinger.

And the dev guy said they gave the Bladesinger Wizard Encounter powers as Daily powers so that he could be a tough melee fighter and still be able to cast Fireball.

Only, Fireball is a Wizard Daily and Bladesingers have no access to it.

This makes me happy. because nerds are horrible.

Tox

Huntera wrote:

I'm sure he meant in a metaphorical sense.

Like he's melee, but can also use the pew pew magic stuff.

No, they italicized Fireball.

Q wrote:

What was involved in the decision to give the bladesinger wizard encounter powers as dailies, and how are these powers balanced when compared to normal daily powers?

A wrote:

The key factor in the design of the bladesinger was that they have always been wizards in the history of the game. They cast fireball, they use wands, and so on. The trick was how to be true to that history while at the same time giving the bladesinger space to also be a phenomenal melee fighter, which is the other part of the class’s story. That meant giving up some of the wizard class’s power in order to gain power as a melee combatant. We looked at the wizard’s spells, and the most iconic spells, such as fireball, were encounter powers. We didn’t want to give those up, so that left dailies, where a lot of unusual and less iconic effects live, as the obvious place to cut. A lot of folks seem to see that as gutting the class’s power, but it needs to be considered in light of the class’s output over the course of a day and not just in a single encounter. When you do that, you can see that the bladesinger easily makes up for the loss of daily powers with bladesong and other class elements that allow the bladesinger to stack effects and actions. They lose the wizard’s fragility, gain melee dominance, achieve versatile control, and still feel like wizards when they cast wizard spells and use wizard implements. More to the point, we think that they feel like traditional bladesingers.

Bold emphasis mine.

Day of the Bear

That is hilarious.

Huntera

Eh, I'm still shooting for metaphorical.

Not that I'm ever gonna even look at Bladesinger stuff.

Unless they ever do a PHB4 and he's in there, then I will.

Tox

They already did PHB4. It was called Heroes of the Fallen Lands.

Huntera

Well...

a non essentials thing then.

Because my nerddom started in Warhammer and if it's one thing Warhammer nerds hate more than anything.

It's change.

Tox

They should just wait a few years, "revise" the core material (read: print the updates) and rerelease the game as 4th Edition Revised, with both a Basic and Advanced line. Core becomes Advanced, Essentials becomes Basic.

It would be glorious.

Stilts

Huntera wrote:

I'm sure he meant in a metaphorical sense.

Like he's melee, but can also use the pew pew magic stuff.

I'd be willing to give WotC the benefit of the doubt if there wasn't precedent for them completely screwing up rules in actual book releases.

Tox

Honestly 4e has been a mixed bag. There's been some awesome stuff, and some miserable stuff. I think a lot of the trouble they're having is with how "live" everything. Weekly content releases online. Playtesting stuff going up online. That sort of thing. Errata/updates was never a problem for my group back in 2e and 3.X, but that's because we just houseruled everything that seemed stupid, by consensus.

That or the thing was so broken it could only be avoided, not fixed.

But with 4th edition, they were so committed to routine updates and what not that they set themselves up, and now they're having trouble maintaining that online "live" presence, and it's hurting them in the eyes of fans who don't remember better.

Melding

Well, they came in promising all these neat online things, going to be giving away all this content, and trust us guys, this is going to be the best ever.

and for a while it seemed like they were going to be able to pull it off. around the time the essentials line game out they pulled support on several things, magazine content dropped in both quantity and quality and it's just been a crap shoot. It's starting to get good again, slowly, but since it's a paid service people are kind of upset. Look at the online builder. It's terrible. and its a paid service. but if they all back out then support dies entirely and that's worse.

Gatsby

I am annoyed at the online builder requiring a subscription, but I can see where they're coming from. Plus I've learnt a whole lot putting characters together "manually" with sheets on myth weavers so that's something. Speaking of which

Crotchless Gorilla Suit wrote:

OK, update on my game:

3 players signed up so far.
-WAH
-Gatsby
-Melding
We could probably do with 2 more.

With Gatsby being in The Land Down Under, we will have the games on Friday or Saturday night, Pacific Time (GMT +8).

For anyone looking to join, encounters are going to be done with Maptools and we'll hopefully be using voicechat; Ventrillo, or something else.

Setting is basic DnD Winterhaven/Hammerfast area with some stuff I made up thrown in liberally. Starting with Level 1 characters.

Stilts

And all that software they were hyping back when they released the core books? The stuff that was supposed to make playing with people online so much easier and totally awesome? And it would be out soon, no really, trust us you guys?

Yeah.

That didn't happen.

Melding

it's actually in beta last i checked. it's effectively maptools more geared towards DnD. and apparently not just 4th edition.

Also i understand why it's subscription only. It's just shit.

I would not pay money for it ever.

Dichotomy

gatsby I demand you cease doing things which amuse me

Stilts

Oh, hey, you're right. They FINALLY released the virtual table.

Unfortunately for them, I've already moved on to Pathfinder. Which is a shame, because I really liked the actual mechanics and classes of 4E; it's the only edition where I actually have a lot of fun playing a cleric.

Gatsby

Dichotomy wrote:

gatsby I demand you cease doing things which amuse me

Melding

the essentials stuff also isn't bad, just some of it is rather plain. but slayer is a devastating striker. as is the hex blade. but the knight is a pretty boring defender.

Gatsby

Oh man what to choose: My Githzerai Ranger or my Half-Elf Battlemind

The latter is quite tempting hmm

Melding

i don't know, but i can tell you that i will probably play a half elf unless i don't. i am favouring half elves right now.

Dichotomy

that's good melding, maybe someday you can be weaned off them entirely

Gatsby

Me too. If you play a Half-Elf I might switch to Half-Orc or Goliath.

Melding

Dichotomy wrote: »

that's good melding, maybe someday you can be weaned off them entirely

never gunna happen, i like prancing too much.

Day of the Bear

Do you like frolicking?

Dichotomy

your prancing problem can be adjusted with medication

Stilts

I prefer skipping.

Melding

Gatsby wrote: »

Me too. If you play a Half-Elf I might switch to Half-Orc or Goliath.

I'm mostly going to pick based on what other people do. so if you do helf battlemind, i might do somethign not helf.

Gatsby

Son is that a may pole in your garden?

Uh no dad! I swear, I'm just holding onto it for a friend! Really!

Melding

Day of the Bear wrote: »

Do you like frolicking?

Yes, yes i do.

Stilts wrote: »

I prefer skipping.

you would.

Dichotomy

someone needs to get around to inventing that drug they had in equilibrium

Gatsby

Melding wrote:

Gatsby wrote: »

Me too. If you play a Half-Elf I might switch to Half-Orc or Goliath.

I'm mostly going to pick based on what other people do. so if you do helf battlemind, i might do somethign not helf.

Ah I'm not too picky, really it's down to a coin flip between Helf and Goliath.

Day of the Bear

Dichotomy is here to put an end to our sense offence

Dichotomy

yes

Melding

Dich, no.

Dichotomy

okay

I will go

Gatsby

Hm, didn't know the Battlemind uses the power points system. Not sure how I feel about this.

Melding

yeah, that is why i've never played one. too much hassle.

Gatsby

That's annoying, I like encounter powers. if it ain't broke don't fix it. Blah

Melding

they wanted to make it seem like older edition psions as well as test the waters on new design ideas. it turns out that was a bad idea.

Gatsby

well there goes that character