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Countdown: Out with a whimper

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    august wrote: »
    "Wanting to know what happens next" is a pretty weak reason to continue buying a mediocre 52 issue comic is all.

    But I guess if you really like it knock yourself out.

    Can I continue to do so?

    Thanks August. Now that I have your blessing, I can move on.

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    NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    i think people should buy what interests them. i think that is the best way to read comics.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Again, my comments are directed at the people who don't like Countdown.

    Which is everyone except Bad Karma.

    And bobgorilla I guess.

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I never said I liked it, nor do I hate it. I am, however, interested enough to continue buying the series.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    bobgorila wrote: »
    I keep buying it because I like it.

    I mean, I know it is awful but I also kind of like it.

    I really do not know why that is.

    Hey you, with the heroin addiction? What's that like? How you feeling?

    I think it's more like Stockholm Syndrome.

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    NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    you like...necro-quoted or something...

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    bale you know why I keep buying Countdown.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    because you have a terrible sickness

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I can't help it. I got problems.

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    ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I will admit that I was actually liking it alright until about week 8....I've barely finished these last three issues.

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It makes me sad that people will buy COUNTDOWN by the assload, but a book like CRIMINAL barely scrapes by. Put one week of COUNTDOWN money into CRIMINAL, god damn it!

    PS - CRIMINAL #2 comes out this week.

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    ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I buy both so...HA!

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    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It makes me sad that people will buy COUNTDOWN by the assload, but a book like CRIMINAL barely scrapes by. Put one week of COUNTDOWN money into CRIMINAL, god damn it!

    PS - CRIMINAL #2 comes out this week.

    I don't really think Countdown is selling "by the assload."

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    compared to a small book like criminal, combined with shipping 4x a month

    it is.

    Although Countdown's numbers certainly aren't blowing anyone away.

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Zeromus wrote: »
    It makes me sad that people will buy COUNTDOWN by the assload, but a book like CRIMINAL barely scrapes by. Put one week of COUNTDOWN money into CRIMINAL, god damn it!

    PS - CRIMINAL #2 comes out this week.

    I don't really think Countdown is selling "by the assload."

    http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/12/dc-mowoodnth-to-month-sales-january-2008/

    05/2007: Countdown #51 — 91,083
    05/2007: Countdown #50 — 83,752 (- 8.1%) [85,564]
    05/2007: Countdown #49 — 81,484 (- 2.7%) [83,188]
    05/2007: Countdown #48 — 79,810 (- 2.1%) [81,828]
    06/2007: Countdown #47 — 77,504 (- 2.9%)
    06/2007: Countdown #46 — 76,362 (- 1.5%)
    06/2007: Countdown #45 — 74,918 (- 1.9%)
    06/2007: Countdown #44 — 73,971 (- 1.3%)
    07/2007: Countdown #43 — 73,912 (- 0.1%)
    07/2007: Countdown #42 — 73,116 (- 1.1%)
    07/2007: Countdown #41 — 72,621 (- 0.7%)
    07/2007: Countdown #40 — 72,102 (- 0.7%)
    08/2007: Countdown #39 — 88,021 (+22.1%)
    08/2007: Countdown #38 — 87,260 (- 0.9%)
    08/2007: Countdown #37 — 86,405 (- 1.0%)
    08/2007: Countdown #36 — 85,536 (- 1.0%)
    08/2007: Countdown #35 — 84,350 (- 1.4%)
    09/2007: Countdown #34 — 82,537 (- 2.2%)
    09/2007: Countdown #33 — 81,744 (- 1.0%)
    09/2007: Countdown #32 — 81,097 (- 0.8%)
    09/2007: Countdown #31 — 80,127 (- 1.2%)
    10/2007: Countdown #30 — 78,222 (- 2.4%)
    10/2007: Countdown #29 — 77,755 (- 0.6%)
    10/2007: Countdown #28 — 77,003 (- 1.0%)
    10/2007: Countdown #27 — 76,401 (- 0.8%)
    10/2007: Countdown to FC #26 — 75,514 (- 1.2%)
    11/2007: Countdown to FC #25 — 74,668 (- 1.1%)
    11/2007: Countdown to FC #24 — 74,047 (- 0.8%)
    11/2007: Countdown to FC #23 — 73,241 (- 1.1%)
    11/2007: Countdown to FC #22 — 72,765 (- 0.7%)
    12/2007: Countdown to FC #21 — 71,524 (- 1.7%)
    12/2007: Countdown to FC #20 — 71,331 (- 0.3%)
    12/2007: Countdown to FC #19 — 70,805 (- 0.7%)
    12/2007: Countdown to FC #18 — 70,619 (- 0.3%)
    01/2008: Countdown to FC #17 — 69,587 (- 1.5%)
    01/2008: Countdown to FC #16 — 69,629 (+ 0.1%)
    01/2008: Countdown to FC #15 — 69,504 (- 0.2%)
    01/2008: Countdown to FC #14 — 68,770 (- 1.1%)
    01/2008: Countdown to FC #13 — 68,099 (- 1.0%)

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    thats weird, why did the numbers jump back up after issue 40

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    What's weirder is that it's still selling almost 230k copies a month. Retailers are rewarding DC for publishing complete shit.

    I really wish there was a way to know how many of those are actually being sold to customers, and how many are going to be in retailer quarter bins in two years. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that 70k people are buying this book every week. Insane.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ultimates 3, OMD, Loeb's Wolverine were all in the top ten for their months of sale, and they had far less redeeming qualities than Countdown.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    those were short blasts of terribleness with huge amounts of hype

    Countdown was 52 issues of shit

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Even the supplemental issues are selling in the 40-50k range. ARENA sold in the low 50s, the RAY PALMER SEARCH issues were selling in the 40s. Incredible.

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    thats weird, why did the numbers jump back up after issue 40
    The Beat wrote:
    Why, a sudden 20% sales increase for no apparent reason with the 13th issue. Quite surprising, isn’t it?

    Well, not entirely. In fact, the same thing happened with 52 a year ago. Back then, I suspected the increase was due to retailers reacting to high demand. Even then, though, something didn’t seem right, because there was no significant reorder activity for previous issues.

    Since then, I’ve been told that the supposed sales boost for 52 Week 13 was nothing more than a statistical correction on Diamond’s part. It works like this: Because DC made the first three months (Week 1-12) worth of That’s not rhetoric, by the way: I’m genuinely curious what’s going 52 returnable under certain conditions, Diamond knocked a token 20% off of the sales of each of those issues for their charts. Once the book stopped being returnable with Week 13, Diamond naturally stopped compensating for the returnability, and consequently the charts displayed a miraculous 20% increase.

    I suspect the same is happening with Countdown now. For the record, I’ve not been able to find a public announcement on the returnability of Countdown past issue #44, but it seems to be the most likely scenario to me. If you’ve got inside knowledge on the matter and can confirm or deny its accuracy, though, feel free to chime in.

    If the theory were indeed correct, that would be quite bizarre, of course. Why 20%, exactly? Did Diamond have any empirical data before setting the figure? Did they use a dartboard? Does this practice pertain to 52 and Countdown only? Or are they applying it to any books which were always meant to be returnable (which would include All Flash #1, Flash #231 and The Highwaymen #1)? And what about books which end up being returnable due to last-minute content changes or delays?

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    TankTank Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Have the heroes in Countdown confirmed that the Earth they are currently on the main DC Earth?

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited March 2008
    No

    They think they're either on a different earth or they've been erased from New Earth's history

    probably the former

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    NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    just want to say that i really like that robin sig, keith.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited March 2008
    why thank you

    it's better than countdown

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    You should get a matching avatar. :wink:

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited March 2008
    you should get a butt where your face is because it'd be an improvement

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    oh snap ololz

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Can you feel the love tonight?
    It is where we arrrrree

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It'd be hilarious if the entire point of Countdown was to provide back story for a new Kamandi ongoing, but there are still issues remaining so I guess there's more.

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the end of Countdown wasn't going to be setting up Final Crisis almost at all and thats why they had Johns and Morrison write DC Universe #0

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    RansRans Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    why am i still buying this

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    Rabid_LlamaRabid_Llama Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Rans wrote: »
    why am i still buying this

    Because you are like everyone else and secretly like it while you bash it on the intertrons.

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Rans wrote: »
    why am i still buying this

    Well according to your posts your hardon for Kyle Rayner is so great that you'll spend $2.99 a week on a book that may only show him in a single panel, or in none at all.

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    RansRans Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Bad Karma wrote: »
    Rans wrote: »
    why am i still buying this

    Well according to your posts your hardon for Kyle Rayner is so great that you'll spend $2.99 a week on a book that may only show him in a single panel, or in none at all.

    it is a pretty big hardon, after all

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Now everyone, don't forget to factor in internet inflation.

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    RansRans Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    okay okay so it is as limp as countdown's plot-line

    oh my god what have i become

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    Rabid_LlamaRabid_Llama Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I think this was the worst issue in a long while.

    I don't care about this random earth with a virus that turns everything into furrys. The end made me think the writers had just seen I Am Legend and really really liked it.

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    Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I think this was the worst issue in a long while.

    I don't care about this random earth with a virus that turns everything into furrys. The end made me think the writers had just seen I Am Legend and really really liked it.

    It's supposed to be in line with what happened to Kamandi. (obvious differences aside)

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    Rabid_LlamaRabid_Llama Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ah, it was a tie in special reference. Still not excusable. If they are going to do a tie in, this kind of shit should be in the actual tie in and not interrupt the main story.

    At least now I know that there was some cohesiveness to the whole thing.

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