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What gives you the right?
Telemont
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What gives you the right to <BLANK> ? I've heard this used in arguments a great deal as a method to try and discredit or undermine an opponents position. I am curious what an effective counter-argument might be? Just to be clear, I am referencing its use in every day life and not in a controlled debate setting.
I have a hard time thinking of decent responses to this. I assume claiming that you have the right because of X, Y, or Z is certain to bring X, Y, or Z under scrutiny. In some cases this might be valid, but in most cases involving any kind of opinion it would be laughable. In many ways I think this argument is a non-starter fallacy, because it presumes that a right is necessary to take an action or hold an opinion in the first place. What are your thoughts?
I have a hard time thinking of decent responses to this. I assume claiming that you have the right because of X, Y, or Z is certain to bring X, Y, or Z under scrutiny. In some cases this might be valid, but in most cases involving any kind of opinion it would be laughable. In many ways I think this argument is a non-starter fallacy, because it presumes that a right is necessary to take an action or hold an opinion in the first place. What are your thoughts?
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you just might not be well-liked if you exercise that right constantly
Because it's not their place, and more importantly really disrespectful. But "you don't have the right" is really just an expression to get across that I'm fundamentally not ok with you saying what you're saying.
edit: what pony said
If we're going strictly by the book, the term "You have no right" should never be used, since everyone has the "right" to say whatever they want. Which a lot of times is unfortunate.
Unless, of course, you are actually making a legal argument, like "what gives you the right to forcibly eject that rowdy teenager from your front yard?"
The Trespass to Property Act, actually!
that sort of thing
if it's being used outside of a legal/human rights context, like if someone says "What gives you the right to think my lawn is poorly maintained?!"
it's just a fancypants way of say "NO U" and shouldn't be considered a serious argument worthy of a real counter-point.
Which the OP sorta states?
So what is this then, fallacy thread?
It may be useful to consult a list of common logical fallacies, and observe that these are common because they can be rhetorically effective.
*edit: Ronya ninja!
as opposed to just
discontinuing the argument with this obviously histrionic and foolish person
uh, wow
almost none of those things apply to me or my life or the people i care about or my daily interactions with others
crazy
tl; dr: use soundbites. You can tune them for open hostility or concern-trolling levels of helpfulness as appropriate.
Slightly off the main topic, but I can't think of anyone MORE suited to judging someone to their face than a friend. What kind of thin-skinned goose cuts off ties with any friend who calls them on something? A real friend won't stand by and let you be a fuckwit.
this
Yea, if someone won't listen to a friend I can't imagine who they would listen to
Anonymous forum posters maybe?
it sounds like the teenage usage of the word
like
"don't judge me, maaaaan"
just not lest ye be judged
and son you been judgin' all day long
yeahhhhhhhhhhh
ps: Ronya bro you're decrepit get back in the old persons' home!
the question "what gives you the right" is way too broadly applicable. i usually hear it in melodramatic confrontations between heroes and villains, not everyday dialogue.
i only hear it in everyday dialogue if i am talking to melodramatic people
like, i am a security guard, i hear this shit sometimes from people. "WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO ASK ME TO LEAVE?" uh, the Private Security and Investigative Services Act, and the Trespass to Property Act, that is what gives me those rights, specifically.
but in a general sense I hear it from the sort of folk I don't take seriously anyway, like some woman in a McDonalds freaking out at being told her coupon will not be accepted.
It is not a form of counter-argument I hear from reasonable people.
my god
Which, despite how dumb the whole entire thing was, this was one of the dumbest.
(I spent far too long looking for this clip)
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Bonus points if you can stretch out the "maaaaaan" long enough that it could pass for a Seth McFarlane gag.
I am only vaguely familiar with the Dixie Chicks vs. Bush scandal ... but what makes that "Freedom of speech" thing dumb?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Freedom of speech does not immunize you from the social consequences of that speech. So you can call out your friends on their shitheaded behavior all the time, but don't be surprised if they don't want to hang out with you anymore!
The whole thing is funny. How dare they have an opinion counter to country music standards.
Where were you... when they built that ladder to heaven!
but they're listening to every word I say
Telemont, are you willing to cough up a little more detail on your situation? It's an awfully broad question.
What gives me the right? The fact that laws have not taken that right away.
Of course, like mentioned, even if I have a legal right I'll still have to accept the social consequences.
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Now I don't know what to feel.
Can't you read the siiiii-iiign?