They're not scumbags for using cheese. Maybe lazy players doomed to gold league hell, but not scumbags.
Nope, fucking vermin. People wouldn't do that shit in a real life situation because in any other sport or game they'd get a fucking punch to face. So what makes it ok to do it online, just because you're an anonymous opponent? Treat your opponent with some respect, and don't play dirty because you know you couldn't win in a long game.
No, punching in sports that aren't about punching typically gets you suspended, fined, or banned.
Cheese is legitimate.
The reason why you don't see a lot of cheese in pro play is because it doesn't work very well against pro players and is too risky.
So the solution to your problem is to stop whining and get better at the game.
All you have to do is scout properly and know how to defend against cheese, and you won't lose to it.
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Cheese is like the equivalent of trick plays in other sports. Like a Flea-flicker in football. It works because it's totally unexpected. But anytime the defense sees it coming, it usually gets crushed.
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Basically, never run a blitz in football because any quarterback who isn't garbage should be able to Hail Mary every play.
It's like you're stuck in the mentality of "FIVE MISSISSIPPI RUSH" and whenever someone breaks the rule, you throw a fit.
Lost power for 6 hours today so I missed most of MLG Sunday. Man, when there's a hurricane going on, you just finished a book and you have no electricity the number of things to do is limited
Lost power for 6 hours today so I missed most of MLG Sunday. Man, when there's a hurricane going on, you just finished a book and you have no electricity the number of things to do is limited
We can assume Astroglide was involved.
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All you have to do is scout properly and know how to defend against cheese, and you won't lose to it.
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Cheese is like the equivalent of trick plays in other sports. Like a Flea-flicker in football. It works because it's totally unexpected. But anytime the defense sees it coming, it usually gets crushed.
Theres only so much scouting you can reasonably do, and there are SO many places to hide proxy gateways or barracks. I get fucked up by the fact that I scout on 12, see that they have the gateway+pylon down in the main, and therefore conclude that they're playing straight up, when in fact, nope, 5 zealots at my door 3 or 4 minutes in.
Some days, I love cheese because its free wins for me, but today is not one of those days.
5 zealots at your door 3 minutes in seems unlikely. Even 4 minutes in.
Its well before warpgate finishes. And thats what matters. Opening against protoss I'll 3gate expand if I'm not 4gating, and at that point I have at most 1 zealot and 1 stalker up. If I don't find those gateways before they're done building I'm finished. end of.
You have some serious emotional problems, jaziek. Throwing a chair because you lost a few ladder games is just ridiculous, and thinking your opponents are scumbags for cheesing (Starcraft would be a lot worse if cheesing didn't exist) is insane.
Just got home from Barcraft, I didn't feel like sticking around until the finals. It was tons of fun, the event was a huge success and we'll probably need to find a bigger place for the next one. There just weren't enough chairs or room. Hearing a room full of drunken nerds cheering whenever something exciting happened in game was awesome, I highly suggest people try to get down to a local Barcraft if they can.
After seeing all these bunker rushes today, I've changed my mind about the barracks time change. Sure it'll mess up my early game build but I do think it is pretty bullshit how effective they are. A sacrifice for the greater good of 'balance'!
5 zealots at your door 3 minutes in seems unlikely. Even 4 minutes in.
Its well before warpgate finishes. And thats what matters. Opening against protoss I'll 3gate expand if I'm not 4gating, and at that point I have at most 1 zealot and 1 stalker up. If I don't find those gateways before they're done building I'm finished. end of.
There's no reason to not see the Gas and Core not going down. A zealot can't catch your probe so until the stalker is out your probe should be in their base. In order to proxy gates to have 5 zealots at your base before Warp Gate they need 3 gates, no gas and no core.
Losing to proxy gates can happen but if you get to their base you should know its coming.
All you have to do is scout properly and know how to defend against cheese, and you won't lose to it.
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Cheese is like the equivalent of trick plays in other sports. Like a Flea-flicker in football. It works because it's totally unexpected. But anytime the defense sees it coming, it usually gets crushed.
Theres only so much scouting you can reasonably do, and there are SO many places to hide proxy gateways or barracks. I get fucked up by the fact that I scout on 12, see that they have the gateway+pylon down in the main, and therefore conclude that they're playing straight up, when in fact, nope, 5 zealots at my door 3 or 4 minutes in.
Some days, I love cheese because its free wins for me, but today is not one of those days.
Well you could also see that they aren't currently making probes, and aren't spending their chronoboost, and aren't taking their gas, or even that their gateway is a lot later than it should be, all of which would tell you that hey, they might have another gateway somewhere. So then you just prepare for it, and in the meantime try to find it if you can. If you aren't yet at the level to notice such things, the solution is to get better and notice them!
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I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.
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5 zealots at your door 3 minutes in seems unlikely. Even 4 minutes in.
Its well before warpgate finishes. And thats what matters. Opening against protoss I'll 3gate expand if I'm not 4gating, and at that point I have at most 1 zealot and 1 stalker up. If I don't find those gateways before they're done building I'm finished. end of.
There's no reason to not see the Gas and Core not going down. A zealot can't catch your probe so until the stalker is out your probe should be in their base. In order to proxy gates to have 5 zealots at your base before Warp Gate they need 3 gates, no gas and no core.
Losing to proxy gates can happen but if you get to their base you should know its coming.
I am not yet good enough at the game to be able to evade a persistent person trying to get me out of their base, and not have my build order slip by a few seconds.
5 zealots at your door 3 minutes in seems unlikely. Even 4 minutes in.
Its well before warpgate finishes. And thats what matters. Opening against protoss I'll 3gate expand if I'm not 4gating, and at that point I have at most 1 zealot and 1 stalker up. If I don't find those gateways before they're done building I'm finished. end of.
There's no reason to not see the Gas and Core not going down. A zealot can't catch your probe so until the stalker is out your probe should be in their base. In order to proxy gates to have 5 zealots at your base before Warp Gate they need 3 gates, no gas and no core.
Losing to proxy gates can happen but if you get to their base you should know its coming.
I am not yet good enough at the game to be able to evade a persistent person trying to get me out of their base, and not have my build order slip by a few seconds.
So then you do recognise that you are losing to cheese not because it is bullshit and should be banned but because you're not good enough at the game yet.
Glad we cleared that up
EDIT: to be clear, I get angry when I get cheesed and lose to it as well. Everyone does. But there's a long way between "Fuck, how did I lose to such a terrible player. God I suck at this game. Fuck" and "Cheese is bullshit and they're ALL fucking scum and why the hell is this allowed in the game"
Want to see more baneling drops in this ZvT, they were pretty effective when he used them earlier in the tournament and I really want to see more of that.
edit: i hope these finals start on time, i appreciate my sleep
I wish MLG would update their broadcast schedule better, still says Coca v Bomber should've started 10 minutes ago >_<
The TL MLG coverage portal has been pretty much spot on all weekend.
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glad to see a slayers zerg doing well.
I'll be happy with either winner but I think I'm pulling for the zerg. bomber is awesome but he's never been one of my favorites, and I do like slayers.
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Nope, fucking vermin. People wouldn't do that shit in a real life situation because in any other sport or game they'd get a fucking punch to face. So what makes it ok to do it online, just because you're an anonymous opponent? Treat your opponent with some respect, and don't play dirty because you know you couldn't win in a long game.
Cheese is legitimate.
The reason why you don't see a lot of cheese in pro play is because it doesn't work very well against pro players and is too risky.
So the solution to your problem is to stop whining and get better at the game.
Edit:
Cheese is like the equivalent of trick plays in other sports. Like a Flea-flicker in football. It works because it's totally unexpected. But anytime the defense sees it coming, it usually gets crushed.
It's like you're stuck in the mentality of "FIVE MISSISSIPPI RUSH" and whenever someone breaks the rule, you throw a fit.
Man, I want to play more games, but I have ladder anxiety. FOREVER GOLD.
Lost power for 6 hours today so I missed most of MLG Sunday. Man, when there's a hurricane going on, you just finished a book and you have no electricity the number of things to do is limited
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
We can assume Astroglide was involved.
missed the games, don't regret it.
Theres only so much scouting you can reasonably do, and there are SO many places to hide proxy gateways or barracks. I get fucked up by the fact that I scout on 12, see that they have the gateway+pylon down in the main, and therefore conclude that they're playing straight up, when in fact, nope, 5 zealots at my door 3 or 4 minutes in.
Some days, I love cheese because its free wins for me, but today is not one of those days.
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
Its well before warpgate finishes. And thats what matters. Opening against protoss I'll 3gate expand if I'm not 4gating, and at that point I have at most 1 zealot and 1 stalker up. If I don't find those gateways before they're done building I'm finished. end of.
Just got home from Barcraft, I didn't feel like sticking around until the finals. It was tons of fun, the event was a huge success and we'll probably need to find a bigger place for the next one. There just weren't enough chairs or room. Hearing a room full of drunken nerds cheering whenever something exciting happened in game was awesome, I highly suggest people try to get down to a local Barcraft if they can.
Oh most definitely.
For the swarm!
curse you time, you've foiled my plans once more
edit: i really hope these games aren't decided by bunker rushes
not because i think it's overpowered or too effective or anything
just i'd much rather see the crazy zvt stuff coca did earlier in the tournament against a player as good as bomber
Losing to proxy gates can happen but if you get to their base you should know its coming.
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
Well you could also see that they aren't currently making probes, and aren't spending their chronoboost, and aren't taking their gas, or even that their gateway is a lot later than it should be, all of which would tell you that hey, they might have another gateway somewhere. So then you just prepare for it, and in the meantime try to find it if you can. If you aren't yet at the level to notice such things, the solution is to get better and notice them!
I am not yet good enough at the game to be able to evade a persistent person trying to get me out of their base, and not have my build order slip by a few seconds.
So then you do recognise that you are losing to cheese not because it is bullshit and should be banned but because you're not good enough at the game yet.
Glad we cleared that up
EDIT: to be clear, I get angry when I get cheesed and lose to it as well. Everyone does. But there's a long way between "Fuck, how did I lose to such a terrible player. God I suck at this game. Fuck" and "Cheese is bullshit and they're ALL fucking scum and why the hell is this allowed in the game"
Want to see more baneling drops in this ZvT, they were pretty effective when he used them earlier in the tournament and I really want to see more of that.
edit: i hope these finals start on time, i appreciate my sleep
but that made me laugh really hard. well done.
That's allowed to be literally true in a world where it doesn't actually start on time.
What'd they actually say?
Milkis seems pretty good at it, better than most translators I've seen.
I don't actually know a word of korean, but hey.
EDIT: That just seems silly, he's probably somewhat nervous.
The TL MLG coverage portal has been pretty much spot on all weekend.
I'll be happy with either winner but I think I'm pulling for the zerg. bomber is awesome but he's never been one of my favorites, and I do like slayers.