Iron Man: Hypervelocity is turning into a pretty nice sci-fi story right now.
So true. I started reading this one on a whim and it's turned out to be pretty cool. Between this and Invincible Iron Man, I'm finding it hard to continue to actively hate Tony. I've sorta settled on stern disapproval.
Yes, your transformation is almost complete, young Skywalker...
Iron Man: Hypervelocity is turning into a pretty nice sci-fi story right now.
So true. I started reading this one on a whim and it's turned out to be pretty cool. Between this and Invincible Iron Man, I'm finding it hard to continue to actively hate Tony. I've sorta settled on stern disapproval.
Yes, your transformation is almost complete, young Skywalker...
Nah, I still don't like how he manipulated things to get the SHRA in place. He has this whole "I know what's good for you" attitude and wasn't above doing bad things in order to promote the greater good. Which, I suppose, makes him the perfect person to head SHIELD.
I'm still on the fence about the SHRA, due in large part to the Thunderbolts and similar teams that will, no doubt, be put together. This broad power that SHIELD now has over superheroes and the fact that we never found out who was behind the corruption in the organization make me justifiably skeptical of the whole situation.
Iron Man: Hypervelocity is turning into a pretty nice sci-fi story right now.
So true. I started reading this one on a whim and it's turned out to be pretty cool. Between this and Invincible Iron Man, I'm finding it hard to continue to actively hate Tony. I've sorta settled on stern disapproval.
Yes, your transformation is almost complete, young Skywalker...
Nah, I still don't like how he manipulated things to get the SHRA in place. He has this whole "I know what's good for you" attitude and wasn't above doing bad things in order to promote the greater good. Which, I suppose, makes him the perfect person to head SHIELD.
I'm still on the fence about the SHRA, due in large part to the Thunderbolts and similar teams that will, no doubt, be put together. This broad power that SHIELD now has over superheroes and the fact that we never found out who was behind the corruption in the organization make me justifiably skeptical of the whole situation.
(a) The Thunderbolts aren't part of SHIELD, remember. They're the US Government team. Their existence isn't part of SHRA, but rather they were cobbled together as a bad idea of how to enact SHRA since people like Rogers were...you know...leading an armed rebellion. I'd disband them too.
(b) There isn't supposed to be one person corrupting SHIELD, but rather the normal human corruption that pervades all such large-scale enterprises.
(c) Starks' mistakes are serious, but if his mistakes let you judge him harshly, let Rogers' mistakes guide you the same way.
Right. This will be the fourth time I've mentioned it (the other three being in that previews thread) that Tony justified his actions in Civil War because of a zombie war he fought in the past with King Arthur. (Yes. Italics for emphasis.)
I'm still stuck on what atrocites you think Cap brought about. He punched people in public, and people who shot at him.
Right. This will be the fourth time I've mentioned it (the other three being in that previews thread) that Tony justified his actions in Civil War because of a zombie war he fought in the past with King Arthur. (Yes. Italics for emphasis.)
I'm still stuck on what atrocites you think Cap brought about. He punched people in public, and people who shot at him.
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spoiler summary plz?
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Iron Man: Hypervelocity is turning into a pretty nice sci-fi story right now.
So true. I started reading this one on a whim and it's turned out to be pretty cool. Between this and Invincible Iron Man, I'm finding it hard to continue to actively hate Tony. I've sorta settled on stern disapproval.
Yes, your transformation is almost complete, young Skywalker...
Nah, I still don't like how he manipulated things to get the SHRA in place. He has this whole "I know what's good for you" attitude and wasn't above doing bad things in order to promote the greater good. Which, I suppose, makes him the perfect person to head SHIELD.
I'm still on the fence about the SHRA, due in large part to the Thunderbolts and similar teams that will, no doubt, be put together. This broad power that SHIELD now has over superheroes and the fact that we never found out who was behind the corruption in the organization make me justifiably skeptical of the whole situation.
(a) The Thunderbolts aren't part of SHIELD, remember. They're the US Government team. Their existence isn't part of SHRA, but rather they were cobbled together as a bad idea of how to enact SHRA since people like Rogers were...you know...leading an armed rebellion. I'd disband them too.
(b) There isn't supposed to be one person corrupting SHIELD, but rather the normal human corruption that pervades all such large-scale enterprises.
(c) Starks' mistakes are serious, but if his mistakes let you judge him harshly, let Rogers' mistakes guide you the same way.
Being licensed "heroes", the Thunderbolts are just as much a part of SHIELD as any of the other 50 State Initiative teams or other licensed vigilantes. The fact that they're under the auspices of the CSA don't preclude them from being answerable to SHIELD as well.
Even if there isn't a person or persons behind the corruption in SHIELD, I still think it's a valid point to consider, especially since the organization has become even more powerful than before. There's no reason to trust SHIELD now and, unless Tony makes a concerted effort to root out the corruption, I can't really change my opinion about it.
I hate to paraphrase JK Rowling (by way of Dumbledore), but, being a good deal smarter, richer, and more politically powerful than Cap, the consequences of Tony's mistakes are a good deal worse than those of Steve Rogers, to the point of not really being analogous.
Iron Man: Hypervelocity is turning into a pretty nice sci-fi story right now.
So true. I started reading this one on a whim and it's turned out to be pretty cool. Between this and Invincible Iron Man, I'm finding it hard to continue to actively hate Tony. I've sorta settled on stern disapproval.
Yes, your transformation is almost complete, young Skywalker...
Nah, I still don't like how he manipulated things to get the SHRA in place. He has this whole "I know what's good for you" attitude and wasn't above doing bad things in order to promote the greater good. Which, I suppose, makes him the perfect person to head SHIELD.
I'm still on the fence about the SHRA, due in large part to the Thunderbolts and similar teams that will, no doubt, be put together. This broad power that SHIELD now has over superheroes and the fact that we never found out who was behind the corruption in the organization make me justifiably skeptical of the whole situation.
(a) The Thunderbolts aren't part of SHIELD, remember. They're the US Government team. Their existence isn't part of SHRA, but rather they were cobbled together as a bad idea of how to enact SHRA since people like Rogers were...you know...leading an armed rebellion. I'd disband them too.
(b) There isn't supposed to be one person corrupting SHIELD, but rather the normal human corruption that pervades all such large-scale enterprises.
(c) Starks' mistakes are serious, but if his mistakes let you judge him harshly, let Rogers' mistakes guide you the same way.
Being licensed "heroes", the Thunderbolts are just as much a part of SHIELD as any of the other 50 State Initiative teams or other licensed vigilantes. The fact that they're under the auspices of the CSA don't preclude them from being answerable to SHIELD as well.
Even if there isn't a person or persons behind the corruption in SHIELD, I still think it's a valid point to consider, especially since the organization has become even more powerful than before. There's no reason to trust SHIELD now and, unless Tony makes a concerted effort to root out the corruption, I can't really change my opinion about it.
I hate to paraphrase JK Rowling (by way of Dumbledore), but, being a good deal smarter, richer, and more politically powerful than Cap, the consequences of Tony's mistakes are a good deal worse than those of Steve Rogers, to the point of not really being analogous.
Didn't it say in a post CW book that some of the states asked to have the Thunderbolts be their official "super team" for the 50 State Initiative plan? I'd agree that they would have to be in SHIELD jurisdiction for that to happen.
Also, Tony Stark hires Ares onto the Avengers for $44/hour? Does that include a health plan and disabilities or a paid vacation?
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Ares is so dumb. Herc gets at least twice that. The Thunderbolts are based in Colorodo, I guess in the a mountain similar to the one in Stargate. I'll bet they'll soften up targets for the more public friendly teams to finish up at least in the beginning.
Ares is so dumb. Herc gets at least twice that. The Thunderbolts are based in Colorodo, I guess in the a mountain similar to the one in Stargate. I'll bet they'll soften up targets for the more public friendly teams to finish up at least in the beginning.
Actually, they appear to be going straight for the 'paralyse heroes and get some propaganda out there about how evil the anti-reg guys are then throw them in chokey' angle. And then swan off into the sunset after a couple of years service with a bag of cash and a full pardon. For Bullseye.
Good job, Iron Git.
If Marvel had just started up the Thunderbolts with them being a creation of the US government then it would work fine, but as it is, with them being created by and acting under the auspices of SHIELD, and therefore Iron Man, having them around makes Tony (and by extension Reed et al) look like bottom-feeding scum.
Ares is so dumb. Herc gets at least twice that. The Thunderbolts are based in Colorodo, I guess in the a mountain similar to the one in Stargate. I'll bet they'll soften up targets for the more public friendly teams to finish up at least in the beginning.
Are you talking about Cheyenne Mountain? (of NORAD fame)
Ares is so dumb. Herc gets at least twice that. The Thunderbolts are based in Colorodo, I guess in the a mountain similar to the one in Stargate. I'll bet they'll soften up targets for the more public friendly teams to finish up at least in the beginning.
Are you talking about Cheyenne Mountain? (of NORAD fame)
I don't see how Punisher could justify taking on Cap's identity when Cap has shown nothing but disdain for the man and would likely, in the afterlife or upon his return, take it as a pretty serious insult.
And a costume goes against his style.
It turns out that if it happens this is an old What If? issue basically brought into 616; I didn't know of that one before.
I don't see how Punisher could justify taking on Cap's identity when Cap has shown nothing but disdain for the man and would likely, in the afterlife or upon his return, take it as a pretty serious insult.
And a costume goes against his style.
It turns out that if it happens this is an old What If? issue basically brought into 616; I didn't know of that one before.
Are you sure? I remember an in-continuity storyline where Stark and Doomgot sent back to the dark ages. Maybe I'm wrong though. I wasn't really buy a whole lot of comics back then.
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Plus, like every issue of the new War Journal was about how much he worshiped Cap. In a creepy way. I'm thinking this is a ruse.
I don't see how Punisher could justify taking on Cap's identity when Cap has shown nothing but disdain for the man and would likely, in the afterlife or upon his return, take it as a pretty serious insult.
And a costume goes against his style.
It turns out that if it happens this is an old What If? issue basically brought into 616; I didn't know of that one before.
Are you sure? I remember an in-continuity storyline where Stark and Doomgot sent back to the dark ages. Maybe I'm wrong though. I wasn't really buy a whole lot of comics back then.
Haven't a clue about this whole Arthurian zombie war business, but here's a link I recently discovered to a synopsis of What If? V2 #51 - What If The Punisher Became Captain America?
I don't see how Punisher could justify taking on Cap's identity when Cap has shown nothing but disdain for the man and would likely, in the afterlife or upon his return, take it as a pretty serious insult.
And a costume goes against his style.
It turns out that if it happens this is an old What If? issue basically brought into 616; I didn't know of that one before.
Are you sure? I remember an in-continuity storyline where Stark and Doomgot sent back to the dark ages. Maybe I'm wrong though. I wasn't really buy a whole lot of comics back then.
Pick up the confessions one-shot that came out today.
Ares is so dumb. Herc gets at least twice that. The Thunderbolts are based in Colorodo, I guess in the a mountain similar to the one in Stargate. I'll bet they'll soften up targets for the more public friendly teams to finish up at least in the beginning.
Actually, they appear to be going straight for the 'paralyse heroes and get some propaganda out there about how evil the anti-reg guys are then throw them in chokey' angle. And then swan off into the sunset after a couple of years service with a bag of cash and a full pardon. For Bullseye.
Good job, Iron Git.
If Marvel had just started up the Thunderbolts with them being a creation of the US government then it would work fine, but as it is, with them being created by and acting under the auspices of SHIELD, and therefore Iron Man, having them around makes Tony (and by extension Reed et al) look like bottom-feeding scum.
I'd be willing to bet that after their two years are up Tony just goes "Psyche! You're going back to prison."
Bullseye is kept separate and not allowed to be public knowledge on a team that has Venom. He's also been the one to take out both Jack Flag and Hurricane.
So, what if he isn't hurting these guys as bad as he says? Maybe he has his own deal to 'protect' the 'Bolts targets?
Iron Man: Hypervelocity is turning into a pretty nice sci-fi story right now.
So true. I started reading this one on a whim and it's turned out to be pretty cool. Between this and Invincible Iron Man, I'm finding it hard to continue to actively hate Tony. I've sorta settled on stern disapproval.
Yes, your transformation is almost complete, young Skywalker...
He has this whole "I know what's good for you" attitude .
Iron Man: Hypervelocity is turning into a pretty nice sci-fi story right now.
So true. I started reading this one on a whim and it's turned out to be pretty cool. Between this and Invincible Iron Man, I'm finding it hard to continue to actively hate Tony. I've sorta settled on stern disapproval.
Yes, your transformation is almost complete, young Skywalker...
He has this whole "I know what's good for you" attitude .
That's the thing. He does know.
Well, thats what most power hungry autocrats think.
It's not like it'd matter if somebody found him out wearing said outfit. His calling card is the way he kills people. It's not like they're gonna wonder who exactly killed twelve people with a cucumber.
Civil War: The Confession was really, really good.
Yes. This crystallizes both arguments and I ended up feeling sorry for both. Seriously, I felt really bad after reading this. Alex and Bendis seriously rocked the hell out of this.
Civil War: The Confession was really, really good.
Yes. This crystallizes both arguments and I ended up feeling sorry for both. Seriously, I felt really bad after reading this. Alex and Bendis seriously rocked the hell out of this.
I think that I can actually reconcile Civil War now that I have this.
Thank you to those who posted their thoughts/feelings regarding Confession, I can't wait to grab this one when it comes in.
Ty Zeromus for the spoiler, I'm one of those people who loves to know what's going to happen before actually reading it myself. I'm sure that is evidence of my faulty genes but so be it! Plus I was pretty sure it was Cap's dead body to begin with, but ya never know these days.
It makes sense this would be good though, even if the zombie war thing was mentioned. Bendis was originally going to make Civil War a New Avengers arc where they fought SHIELD. After reading Wanted two weeks ago I can tell you right now Bendis would've made a far better Civil War than Millar. But again.....holy damn.
Yeah, confession rocked. And it was nice to see Cap finally get a chance to respond to Sally Floyd's nonsense. Even if it was through Iron man...
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Yes, your transformation is almost complete, young Skywalker...
Nah, I still don't like how he manipulated things to get the SHRA in place. He has this whole "I know what's good for you" attitude and wasn't above doing bad things in order to promote the greater good. Which, I suppose, makes him the perfect person to head SHIELD.
I'm still on the fence about the SHRA, due in large part to the Thunderbolts and similar teams that will, no doubt, be put together. This broad power that SHIELD now has over superheroes and the fact that we never found out who was behind the corruption in the organization make me justifiably skeptical of the whole situation.
(a) The Thunderbolts aren't part of SHIELD, remember. They're the US Government team. Their existence isn't part of SHRA, but rather they were cobbled together as a bad idea of how to enact SHRA since people like Rogers were...you know...leading an armed rebellion. I'd disband them too.
(b) There isn't supposed to be one person corrupting SHIELD, but rather the normal human corruption that pervades all such large-scale enterprises.
(c) Starks' mistakes are serious, but if his mistakes let you judge him harshly, let Rogers' mistakes guide you the same way.
I'm still stuck on what atrocites you think Cap brought about. He punched people in public, and people who shot at him.
spoiler summary plz?
Being licensed "heroes", the Thunderbolts are just as much a part of SHIELD as any of the other 50 State Initiative teams or other licensed vigilantes. The fact that they're under the auspices of the CSA don't preclude them from being answerable to SHIELD as well.
Even if there isn't a person or persons behind the corruption in SHIELD, I still think it's a valid point to consider, especially since the organization has become even more powerful than before. There's no reason to trust SHIELD now and, unless Tony makes a concerted effort to root out the corruption, I can't really change my opinion about it.
I hate to paraphrase JK Rowling (by way of Dumbledore), but, being a good deal smarter, richer, and more politically powerful than Cap, the consequences of Tony's mistakes are a good deal worse than those of Steve Rogers, to the point of not really being analogous.
Also, Tony Stark hires Ares onto the Avengers for $44/hour? Does that include a health plan and disabilities or a paid vacation?
Actually, they appear to be going straight for the 'paralyse heroes and get some propaganda out there about how evil the anti-reg guys are then throw them in chokey' angle. And then swan off into the sunset after a couple of years service with a bag of cash and a full pardon. For Bullseye.
Good job, Iron Git.
If Marvel had just started up the Thunderbolts with them being a creation of the US government then it would work fine, but as it is, with them being created by and acting under the auspices of SHIELD, and therefore Iron Man, having them around makes Tony (and by extension Reed et al) look like bottom-feeding scum.
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Are you talking about Cheyenne Mountain? (of NORAD fame)
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Are you sure? I remember an in-continuity storyline where Stark and Doomgot sent back to the dark ages. Maybe I'm wrong though. I wasn't really buy a whole lot of comics back then.
Pick up the confessions one-shot that came out today.
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I'd be willing to bet that after their two years are up Tony just goes "Psyche! You're going back to prison."
So, what if he isn't hurting these guys as bad as he says? Maybe he has his own deal to 'protect' the 'Bolts targets?
Well, thats what most power hungry autocrats think.
for real, they should dress him as Porcupine or something.
It's funny, because I now like Tony again, and Cap said what he should have said to that bitch Sally.
Yes. This crystallizes both arguments and I ended up feeling sorry for both. Seriously, I felt really bad after reading this. Alex and Bendis seriously rocked the hell out of this.
I think that I can actually reconcile Civil War now that I have this.
Hopefully.
Penance took that idea.
shit really?
i almost got it, but decided i was done with civil war 'fallout' issues
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