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IGN's top 10 game franchises that jumped the shark.

TingleTingle __BANNED USERS regular
edited February 2007 in Games and Technology
IGN just did a pretty nice feature on game franchises that jumped the shark and should've been put to rest ages ago. I'd have to say overall it's a pretty adequate selection (though the most recent Tomb Raider was still pretty fun) and I couldn't agree more with their number 1.

That said, I thought it'd be a nice starting point for a discussion here on this (IMHO) pretty interesting topic. Some franchises go stale and never recover, while others are able to overhaul and reinvigorate themselves in such a way that they can escape this fate (look at Final Fantasy XII for a recent example). Do you agree with their selection and if not, which ones do you think are still viable? Are there any franchises that should be removed or added?

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I think it's extremely depressing that I knew what #1 would be immediately.

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    Man of the WavesMan of the Waves Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Could you post the list for those of us behind work firewalls?

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    TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Sonic Wii and Sonic Rush spit in IGN's face.

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    LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    #9 just feels out of place there. Maybe if they were still cranking out variations and new versions, but sheesh.

    #3 fails for not encouraging Capcom to revisit Legends.

    #1 is predictable, and saddening.
    Sonic Wii and Sonic Rush spit in IGN's face.

    In fairness, they did exclude the handhelds and allowed for the Wii game to right things.

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    TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Capcom came out with Street Fighter II Hyper Fighting earlier this year.

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    The list, for those who desire it:

    10. Worms
    9. Street Fighter
    8. Star Fox
    7. Tony Hawk
    6. Tomb Raider
    5. Turok
    4. Pac Man
    3. Mega man
    2. Dynasty Warriors
    1. Sonic the Hedgehog

    This is just a depressing list.

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    LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Capcom came out with Street Fighter II Hyper Fighting earlier this year.

    That was in arcades and on the SNES, though...

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    The 2 pacman DS titles are pretty solid (but my God ignor the story in Pac 'n' roll)

    Although to be fair, they have little in common with the original titles core gameplay.

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    XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Don't a lot of people seem to like Project 8?

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited February 2007
    IGN should make a "Top 10 gaming sites that jumped the shark" list and put themselves on it.

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    TingleTingle __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2007
    Sonic Wii and Sonic Rush spit in IGN's face.
    I'll give you Sonic Rush (even though I didn't like it personally, the last good handheld Sonic game IMO was Sonic Advance 2), but Sonic and the Secret Rings is getting mediocre reviews at best.

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    gneGnegneGne Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    What's all the hate against IGN? It's just a funny little list -_-;.
    Anyways, the only one I don't agree with is Street Fighter, I would love myself I new 2d Street Fighter.

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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Sonic Wii and Sonic Rush spit in IGN's face.

    You have to admit that twelve years is a long time to go without a decent game.

    Especially when there've been like seven games released for the series in that time.

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    CripTonicCripTonic Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Don't a lot of people seem to like Project 8?

    Yes, and all new THPS games seem to have something new and different about them... the only ones I didn't like were the American Wasteland ones. All the others were pretty solid for their time.



    I can't agree with at least a few entries on this list, their reasoning isn't substantiated enough. Star Fox, Tony Hawk, and Street Fighter just don't belong in my mind. All their games have a certain feel to them so they will always be similar, but saying Star Fox is anything now like it was back on the SNES is foolish.

    As for Street Fighter, if people still buy them, theres no reason not to keep creating games for people what would rather fight as Ken and Ryu opposed to, oh i don't know, playing Tekkan or Soul Calibur.

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    eelektrikeelektrik Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    While I agree that the recent Worms games havnt been nearly as good, IGN fails for mentioning Worms: Armegeddon in the same negative way as Worms 3D and so on. They fail so fucking hard.

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    MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I am so sick of this sudden Sonic hatred. As far as i'm concerned Sonic has not jumped the shark at all. I actually thought Sonic Heroes was a pretty good game. I liked how they increased the cast of characters. I think that, since Sonic is pretty much Mario's greatest rival, alot of people are held down by nostalgia of the character, and can't bring themselves to enjoy the series in different incarnations.

    That's all I have to say on the matter.

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    XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Tingle wrote: »
    Sonic Wii and Sonic Rush spit in IGN's face.
    I'll give you Sonic Rush (even though I didn't like it personally, the last good handheld Sonic game IMO was Sonic Advance 2), but Sonic and the Secret Rings is getting mediocre reviews at best.
    Um... incorrect. Every review's calling it the best 3D sonic game, a hope of new deirection for the series, all that guff; and the only ones scoring it under a 7 are doing so due to niggles.
    Did you actually read the reviews or just glance at the scores?

    eelektrik wrote: »
    While I agree that the recent Worms games havnt been nearly as good, IGN fails for mentioning Worms: Armegeddon in the same negative way as Worms 3D and so on. They fail so fucking hard.
    I am in considerable agreement with this.

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    It doesn't seem like the Star Fox franchise is in decline as much as it is in stasis. If Nintendo would actually make a real Star Fox game themselves, it would probably be awesome and everyone would buy it.

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    143999143999 Tellin' ya not askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I'm surprised that these people didn't put Mario on this list.

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    GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    It's somewhat fitting that right underneath the #1 choice... lies a Simpsons banner.


    Also, I loved Worms Blast. If it had online multiplayer it'd be ludicrous fun.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Out Run's multitude of progressively sillier and more crappy sequels jumped the shark, big time.

    How fitting, then, that the series ultimately returned with a completely amazing game and called it Out Run 2, as if the others had never even existed. Out Run 2 redeemed that franchise and then some, it was fantastic.

    Few series' are beyond redemption.

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    143999 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that these people didn't put Mario on this list.

    There would need to be a crappy Mario game first.

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    Dee KaeDee Kae Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    jothki wrote: »
    143999 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that these people didn't put Mario on this list.

    There would need to be a crappy Mario game first.

    What Mario party should I mention?

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    eaglearchereaglearcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    jothki wrote: »
    143999 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that these people didn't put Mario on this list.

    There would need to be a crappy Mario game first.

    What Mario party should I mention?

    You would need a crappy Mario Party game first. Even then, can you really say Mario jumps the shark? The spin-offs are far from falling flat on their faces. And while those games came out, the main entry never truly disappoint the fan. And all of them selling millions. So how can you say Mario jump the shark?

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    yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Matthew wrote: »
    I am so sick of this sudden Sonic hatred. As far as i'm concerned Sonic has not jumped the shark at all. I actually thought Sonic Heroes was a pretty good game. I liked how they increased the cast of characters. I think that, since Sonic is pretty much Mario's greatest rival, alot of people are held down by nostalgia of the character, and can't bring themselves to enjoy the series in different incarnations.

    That's all I have to say on the matter.


    Did...Did you SEE Shadow the Hedgehog? Hello, HE WAS CURSING AND POPPIN' CAPS IN ASSES IN A DRIVE-BY!!!! HE'S A MOTHERFUCKING 'PERFECT LIFEFORM' DESIGND TO AT LEAST MATCH THAT BLUE BLUR WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE WHY IN THE BLOODY FUCK DOES HE NEED A CAR?!

    Oh, oh, and how about that 360 one, eh? Sonic is revived by the princess kissing him and goes Super Sonic! Oh yeah, that makes a whole bunch of sense, let's pour gelatinous fish paste on top and have a fuckin' PARTY!

    ....I need to go lie down.

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    jothki wrote: »
    143999 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that these people didn't put Mario on this list.
    There would need to be a crappy Mario game first.
    Mario Is Missing.

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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Matthew wrote: »
    I am so sick of this sudden Sonic hatred. As far as i'm concerned Sonic has not jumped the shark at all. I actually thought Sonic Heroes was a pretty good game. I liked how they increased the cast of characters. I think that, since Sonic is pretty much Mario's greatest rival, alot of people are held down by nostalgia of the character, and can't bring themselves to enjoy the series in different incarnations.

    That's all I have to say on the matter.

    You are the reason Sonic games have sucked for the past ten or so years (with the possible exception of Sonic and the Secret Rings). Congrats.

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    eaglearchereaglearcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Matthew wrote: »
    I am so sick of this sudden Sonic hatred. As far as i'm concerned Sonic has not jumped the shark at all. I actually thought Sonic Heroes was a pretty good game. I liked how they increased the cast of characters. I think that, since Sonic is pretty much Mario's greatest rival, alot of people are held down by nostalgia of the character, and can't bring themselves to enjoy the series in different incarnations.

    That's all I have to say on the matter.

    I hates you. No seriously, I hates you very much.

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    schlewschlew Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I think the idea of the list is interesting, but I disagree with it's choices.

    Jumped the shark to me means a drop in performance, not a diminishment of its relevance.

    In regards to Tomb Raider and Tony Hawk, they are on the list for not being as relevant as they were at one time. Tomb Raider's success was amazing, and spawned several movies, and subsequent sequels were horrible. But much like Tony Hawk, I do think it's unfair to degrade it, especially since the latest iteration is so refreshing for both series.

    Other choices I agree with. I just think IGN should have had a clearer idea of what they defined as jumped the shark.

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    ThreepioThreepio New Westminster, BCRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    jothki wrote: »
    143999 wrote: »
    I'm surprised that these people didn't put Mario on this list.

    There would need to be a crappy Mario game first.

    What Mario party should I mention?

    You would need a crappy Mario Party game first. Even then, can you really say Mario jumps the shark? The spin-offs are far from falling flat on their faces. And while those games came out, the main entry never truly disappoint the fan. And all of them selling millions. So how can you say Mario jump the shark?

    You can say it.


    It just won't be true.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    How has Starfox jumped the shark? Out of the last two Starfox games that were released, only one was considered mediocre.

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    Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    I have to second the opinion that Sonic Heroes wasn't a terrible game. I liked the teamwork aspect a lot and felt that it was a much better game than the previous two 3d attempts.

    I'm saddened to see Pacman on the list. Pacman World was a great game (with a solid GBA version) as was Ms Pacman Maze Madness. Pacman World 2 was pretty good as well, never played the 3rd one. I actually liked the kart racer they did too. While Ol' Pacy hasn't been making blockbusters, I'd argue that he's at least been putting out solid, fun games.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Taramoor wrote: »
    The list, for those who desire it:

    10. Worms
    9. Street Fighter
    8. Star Fox
    7. Tony Hawk
    6. Tomb Raider
    5. Turok
    4. Pac Man
    3. Mega man
    2. Dynasty Warriors
    1. Sonic the Hedgehog

    This is just a depressing list.
    Hmm. Kind of an odd list, but I'll offer some opinions.

    10. Never played it.

    9. Um...what? The only thing Street Fighter suffers from is a lack of anything new being released in years. Still, the Alpha series and SF I-III (with their little "-edition" updates) are all solid games. Has there been a shitty SF game?

    8. While I'm one of, I think, six people that enjoyed Star Fox Adventures, this is probably an accurate choice.

    7. Tony Hawk did jump the shark with the THUG/American Wasteland stuff (though I actually enjoyed the first THUG quite a bit), but just about any fan of the series as a whole will agree that THP8 got the franchise back on track.

    6. Jumped the shark with the first release. Tomb Raider Legend supposedly is a solid entry, though. I played and enjoyed the demo, and thankfully they fixed the godawful control scheme from the earlier entries in the series.

    5. Poor Turok. Again, I'm one of probably six or seven people that liked the first Turok. The second game was damned entertaining, but it went to hell after that. Hopefully the new game will get the series back on track.

    4. I suppose you can count Pac Man here, though if you do that you may as well add Frogger to the list to boot since they both suffered from a few failed 'reinventions' to the series.

    3. Mega Man? This series has remained more or less unchanged throughout it's history. When exactly did it jump the shark?

    2. Meh, never played it.

    1. Sad truth. The last Sonic game I enjoyed was Sonic Adventure on the DC. Sonic Team needs to get their act together. Also, they should be slapped in the mouth for PSU.

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    deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Man, FUCK those guys for putting Dynasty Warriors on there. I'm gonna LuBu someone's ass...

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    HazzHazz Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    eelektrik wrote: »
    While I agree that the recent Worms games havnt been nearly as good, IGN fails for mentioning Worms: Armegeddon in the same negative way as Worms 3D and so on. They fail so fucking hard.

    Indeed, it's easily the best Worms game and a fucking timeless classic.

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    Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Matthew wrote: »
    I am so sick of this sudden Sonic hatred. As far as i'm concerned Sonic has not jumped the shark at all. I actually thought Sonic Heroes was a pretty good game. I liked how they increased the cast of characters. I think that, since Sonic is pretty much Mario's greatest rival, alot of people are held down by nostalgia of the character, and can't bring themselves to enjoy the series in different incarnations.

    That's all I have to say on the matter.

    I dislike how the story of each game is far worse because of the increase of characters, but I too am sick of the Sonic hatred. One of my best friends absolutely loves the series, and I can see why. He likes the mythos, and he loves Shadow, and he loves the fast speed of it all.


    If any series has jumped the shark, it's Final Fantasy. Wake me up when FF12 is over, seriously. That game would do better as a narcotic.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    He likes the mythos, and he loves Shadow, and he loves the fast speed of it all.

    The mythos are retarded, Shadow sucks, and nearly all of the games have had a ton of sections that force you to slow down. In the Adventure games, there were the stupid characters other than Sonic and Shadow that you had to play as.

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    mrotsmrots Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Herby wrote:
    I have to second the opinion that Sonic Heroes wasn't a terrible game. I liked the teamwork aspect a lot and felt that it was a much better game than the previous two 3d attempts.
    People say I'm fucking crazy, but I completely agree that Heroes was better than either Sonic Adventure game, and actually had a few really interesting levels. It's still not an amazing game (side characters, camera and control niggles, 3D Sonic etc) but a solid like, 6 or 7 in my book.

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    Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    edited February 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    He likes the mythos, and he loves Shadow, and he loves the fast speed of it all.

    The mythos are retarded, Shadow sucks, and nearly all of the games have had a ton of sections that force you to slow down. In the Adventure games, there were the stupid characters other than Sonic and Shadow that you had to play as.

    I'm glad you have an opinion.

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    LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2007
    Heroes increased the character count? Not really, they just pulled back damn near everyone in the franchise's history to go at once.

    ...unless you count Omega, which I don't, since he was basically a quick-fix for Gamma.

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