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Recommend me a good "oldschool" (kinda) RPG for PC
Erzberger
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Hey there, I´m new on the forum. I guess this is a common topic, but I couldn´t find a good thread about it (haven´t gotten the hang of the search function here yet).
I am a bit disappointed with the modern RPGs that I tried so far. I didn´t like Dragon Age (1 or 2), Fable or Gothic for example. I kinda enjoyed Fallout 3, but it feels flat to me.
The last RPG I really enjoyed was Baldur´s Gate 2, mostly because of the incredible depth of that game. So I´m wondering if you guys could recommend me any RPGs that you played and liked and think I might like as well.
Other RPGs I enjoyed:
- Fallout1+2
- Albion
- Might&Magic 4+5
- Arcanum
(These are all kinda old, but as I said, I haven´t found a good deep RPG for some time)
Any recommendations are greatly appreciated, doesn´t have to be a new game. It can be old, or Indy, or a big new mainstream game whose exellence I have foolishly failed to see.
Thanks,
Erzberger
I am a bit disappointed with the modern RPGs that I tried so far. I didn´t like Dragon Age (1 or 2), Fable or Gothic for example. I kinda enjoyed Fallout 3, but it feels flat to me.
The last RPG I really enjoyed was Baldur´s Gate 2, mostly because of the incredible depth of that game. So I´m wondering if you guys could recommend me any RPGs that you played and liked and think I might like as well.
Other RPGs I enjoyed:
- Fallout1+2
- Albion
- Might&Magic 4+5
- Arcanum
(These are all kinda old, but as I said, I haven´t found a good deep RPG for some time)
Any recommendations are greatly appreciated, doesn´t have to be a new game. It can be old, or Indy, or a big new mainstream game whose exellence I have foolishly failed to see.
Thanks,
Erzberger
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Have you considered looking into the other Infinity Engine games? (Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Icewind Dale II, Planescape: Torment) I think all of them are on GOG now.
Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines: Colons is a great game if you don't mind a liiiiittle bit of action in your RPG. It's one of the most beloved games on these boards.
Drop 15 bucks for it on steam and you won't regret it.
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Also, Icewind Dale series.
GM: Rusty Chains (DH Ongoing)
If you're looking for depth in combat, and you might prefer the Icewind Dale games. They're essentially like playing Baldur's Gate with six custom-created characters instead of picking up party members as you go.
Along the same lines as Vampire, if you haven't played it yet, check out Deus Ex (1).
Planescape Torment (story-driven) and Icewind Dale 2 (combat-driven) are good and are set in the same engine as Baldur's Gate.
Temple of Elemental Evil is another option.
Any idea what mods are good for NWN?
Eschalon Book 2
And if you haven't played Planescape: Torment yet, stop everything you're doing right now and rectify this.
The Eschalon games really seem to be the kind of thing you are looking for. Very stat driven with skill based character development and kick-you-in-the-balls turn based combat. Tasty oldschool isometric view too.
EDIT: @Drake - that link seems to not work.
EDIT EDIT: I guess the site is down.
I'm playing through at the moment only having played CRPG titles like Fallout before, and it's just awesome. The narrative just sucks you right into the world of the Nameless One, so you don't just give a damn about what's happening to the main protagonist and the world at large, but MANY damns.
Deus Ex, Bloodlines and Baldur's Gate are also fantastic suggestions, but I really insist putting a few hours into PS:T first
Boot up the DOSBOX and get going. Its take on Dark Sun isn't quite accurate, but its good and quite unique.
And yeah, Planescape: Torment goes without saying.
M&M 6 is also very good. 8 is amusing, but easily broken.
If you want to go really, really old school: Ultima. I love 6 in particular, but 4-7 are all basically very good. As are the Underworlds.
Mass Effect (1 and 2)
SW:KotOR
This is a good point. You said you liked Baulder's Gate a lot but disliked Dragon Age. Whereas Dragon Age to me a modern day successor to the gameplay and systems found in Baulder's Gate.
If you pinpoint what you liked / disliked about the games you listed above you could help us make better suggestions.
Eh, DA is far more Icewind Dale than Baldur's Gate.
Yep, they are on GoG. They even happen to be on sale right now.
I'm pretty tempted to pick them up myself.
I played Planescape Torment and... well. Everywhere I go I keep getting told this is the game for me, but I didn´t enjoy it. Maybe I just didn´t give it an honest enough shot. I´ll try again some day, it´s lying around here somewhere.
I liked Deus Ex, Morrowind (for a while at least, and in more of an action game sort of way), Ultima 8 (again, rather an action game). And I´ve tried some of the other Black Isle games and while they are fun, they were always in the shadow of Baldurs Gate 1+2.
Good point. I tried to narrow it down and had to realize that it´s not really easy. The story in BG2 was great, but if I think about it, the dialogue options were pretty linear. I think one thing I liked was the fact that most of it was written dialogue instead of voice acting. It just feels quicker and leaves more to my imagination. And if there aren´t any voice actors, every character can have something to say, because text is cheap. There were countless people to talk to, lots of little missions (same goes for Fallout). The controls of BG2 were also something I enjoyed over Dragon Age. I guess I´m getting old, but the 3D and the movable camera feels cumbersome and annoying to me. In BG2 it was just click-click and voilá, I´m attacking what I want to attack.
Albion just had a beautiful and very unusual story with a deep background, if you were interested in it, coupled with a fun battle system. I´m all for turn-based battles in my RPGs.
So, I might be deceiving myself, but I think these are the points that made me love certain RPGs:
- Quick gameplay feel. If I click somewhere, I don´t need to see the animation of someone slowly starting to walk, then getting quicker and then stopping with a bit of inertia. I want it to feel effortless.
- A fun battle system, at best turn based. It should give me some tactical possibilities while not slaying me with too many variables (although BG2 had quite a bit of options, but if you weren´t into it you could get by with two or three standard spells or a good warrior outfit)
- Fun, non-generic dialogue, at best without audio, since it feels quicker and easier to me.
- At least some semblance of a story. I can´t tell you why, but everythin in BG2, Albion, Fallout felt so vast and fleshed out. Killing a dragon in BG2 didn´t feel like killing just another enemy, or even just another boss fight. There was this whole background to the characters. Killing the Silver Dragon felt really evil.
@Jacobkosh: "The sense of size and scale" is very well put. It´s what I tried to say with that dragon bit before realizing that you already described it. And if I keep thinking about it there were all these little things I liked. Sound effects, for example. (Most notably the battle sound effects. It feels gratifiying to hear a good sword sound when you hit an enemy after missing him five times before that). Or another of your points: "Trying to find ways to break the system". I loved that in Fallout. Trying to somehow take on that army base or a Deathclaw before I was ready by entering and leaving a cave with some healing in between...
I guess it´s rather complex.
You could easily like one but not the other, though I thought Dragon Age was quite good, compared to, well, the non-existent RPG genre these days.
Check out Summoner, by the way. It got a PC release. Its got a unique feel and doesn't seem too dated imo.
And I can vouch that Fallout: NV does feel a lot more like the first two Fallouts, but in a Fallout 3 skin.
If simplicity was your main point of contention with Dragon Age, then Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale will fix that.
I'd also recommend Morrowind. And if you want to go back further, try Elder Scrolls II.
EDIT: Oh, duh, and I forgot to mention Torchlight!
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