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SSD boot disk help

zfleemanzfleeman Registered User regular
edited August 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey all,

I'm going to be building my first Windows machine this October (in preparation for Skyrim), and I want to do what I believe is a common practice.

I want to run all of the OS/boot information on an SSD and use an HDD for my chunkier stuff like games. I know that a lot of people do/have done this, so I was wondering if you had any tutorials that are handy that you could send my way. Some misguided Googling has only revealed old forum posts of scared people in 2009, when Windows 7 came out.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    There is no need for a tutorial - SSDs are seen as just another fixed drive. A few caveats, however :

    SSD failure rates are very high - be prepared to backup your system religiously.

    To get the best performance from the new SSDs, you will need a 6 Gbps SATA controller.

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    I haven't run an SSD in a while, because the laptop mine was in caught on fire(probably not the SSD's fault). Are things like paging and write wear still an issue?

  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    i recently bought an ssd for my laptop and the speed improvements in windows 7 are remarkable - this is a good idea.

    assuming you're building this into a desktop, bear in mind that a lot of ssds are 2.5" laptop drives, so you may either need to buy a separate 3.5" enclosure or at least make sure you're getting the right size, because they're certainly less common.

    as angelhedgie suggests, you shouldn't need a tutorial - just plug her in and when you do the os install don't pick the wrong drive.
    To get the best performance from the new SSDs, you will need a 6 Gbps SATA controller.

    sure, but you don't need one to get merely wonderfully improved performance
    I haven't run an SSD in a while, because the laptop mine was in caught on fire(probably not the SSD's fault). Are things like paging and write wear still an issue?

    windows 7 has a great deal of inbuilt optimizations in this regard. if you're paranoid about the thing expiring, there's a lot you can do - but my personal research indicates that the drive itself isn't going to cark it within the expected lifespan of my computer anyway, so it's not a big worry

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  • StraygatsbyStraygatsby Registered User regular
    I can dig it from the this side of the geek spectrum, but doing this for the seconds (or fractions of a second) the speedy boot OS would provide seem much better spent on a better video card for the gaming side.

    That said, what the above said re: it simply being another disk drive. Just primary it for all your boot/os goodies and use the good ol fashioned sata you get for your game data.

  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    i can assure you you gain more than a fraction of a second of boot time with an ssd

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  • EsseeEssee The pinkest of hair. Victoria, BCRegistered User regular
    I can dig it from the this side of the geek spectrum, but doing this for the seconds (or fractions of a second) the speedy boot OS would provide seem much better spent on a better video card for the gaming side.

    That said, what the above said re: it simply being another disk drive. Just primary it for all your boot/os goodies and use the good ol fashioned sata you get for your game data.

    I dunno though... if it were up to me, I'd probably not use the SSD for booting Windows, but instead put my OS on a normal disk and my games on the SSD. You can get MASSIVE time savings when you're loading a game if you have a speedier hard drive (MMOs in particular) that I think are much more significant than spending 15 seconds instead of 30 when you start your computer. (Disclaimer: Yes, the savings may be much more significant than that, I really don't know-- but my point is that Windows 7 already boots pretty fast, even on the laptop I'm about to describe.) As is, my current laptop has such a slow hard drive that when I go to play an MMO and log on to my characters or zone in to a dungeon/raid/etc., it takes me a VERY long time to get in (probably only 30 seconds, depending on what I'm loading, but people are impatient so it feels much worse). Same thing with other modern games if I'm trying to play with my fiance over LAN-- he loads the next map very quickly, then has to wait for my loading to catch up so we're synced. And this is without him even having an SSD, which is going to be a TON faster, so it would probably load instantaneously for him. If SSDs are unreliable at the moment, then sure, make sure your saves are stored elsewhere. But I'd personally definitely take advantage of the faster loading times on anything that doesn't have to save data to the same hard drive (and certainly with something like an MMO, the most you could possibly lose is addon settings). And I much prefer the idea that everything will load speedily when I start it to savings on just ONE load per day or per several hours (Windows).

  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    You'll see the biggest improvements by having your games and your memory page file on the SSD. The OS being on the SSD doesn't add a whole lot of performance during actual gaming.

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Speaking of games, there's a nice program out there called SteamTool. If you decide to install Steam on your SSD to get the performance benefit for your games, but have a library too large to have on the SSD at once and don't want to constantly be deleting and redownlading, it's very handy. It basically copies Steam games to a folder on another drive (your bigger traditional drive for instance), while making Steam think it's still on the SSD. You can still play them just fine as well.

    EDIT: Also, don't listen to the gibbering idiots out on some of the hardware forums on the internet, who think if you breathe on your SSD the wrong way you'll cut it's working lifespan in half. The lengths some of these people go to in order to try and remove their SSD from all but the barest of functions makes me wonder why they bought the thing in the first place.

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  • lordrellordrel Registered User regular
    I put my OS, office like apps, and games I play regularly (like WoW) on my SSD. I love it. My computer boots to desktop in like 20 seconds. However, I will not lie. I have had some random bootmgr failures and have had to repair my windows 7 install a few times. Have not lost data, though. I am not totally convinced of the stability, and hence keep a good constant backup of anything important. The speed is totally worth the risk, imho (given a good backup strategy). I do keep longer term stuff (my documents, pictures, movies, ect) on a standard sata disk.

  • TankJitsuTankJitsu Registered User regular
    I built my desktop with a dedicated SSD for Win7 about a year and a half ago, back when a 40GB Intel SSD was $140, much more $$ than today. 40GB was perfect for putting on the OS and associated top priority programs. It sounds like things have gotten slightly cheaper, so why not have a bigger SSD drive to put your games AND your OS on? I don't know your budget, but a with a 80GB drive going for $160 on Amazon, that's enough to out on Win7 and several decent sized games. Then you can get the benefits of both faster OS and fast game load times.

    And for what it's worth, my experience with my Intel SSD has been flawless. Win7 boots up quickly, and hums along quietly in the background, doing all those background-y things without a problem.

  • Raif SeveranceRaif Severance Registered User regular
    I just upgraded my computer and faced a similar situation. I know I wanted an SSD in there somewhere but, to me the $$$ to benefit ratio is still a bit too steep. I ended up using Intel Smart Response with my 1 TB HDD and a SSD I got a good deal on. This gives you only about 3/4 the speed of an SSD but it speeds up almost everything you utilize on that hard drive. If you're not familiar with it, it basically turns the SSD into a cache drive for your HDD and puts the most commonly used files on the SSD. After running a program 2 or 3 times it gets moved to the cache and speeds it up dramatically -- not as fast as having a dedicated SSD, but it's still a vast improvement. Eventually I will buy a larger SSD when the price drops or NewEgg has a sale, but for now I'm happy with this.

  • FinnianFinnian Registered User regular
    Just did it this weekend with a 120GB SSD from NewEgg for about 200. Really like it. It's just big enough to have a couple major games installed on, eventually I'll likely have to put my Steam games on a D drive. I was given advice that having the cache file and plenty of RAM would help a ton as games files would get cached on the SSD anyways, so reading them once off the slow drive wouldn't hurt.

    Ditto that there's nothing special that needs to be done. The only advice I was given is to turn off hibernation as that created a page file that is the same size as your RAM, wasting 4-16GBs on your drive.

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