Yeah, if only she didn't have any other biotic powers to fend off a face-on charge.
When has Cerberus every thought past the first step in their plans?
They're probably surprised the agent didn't die of dysentery when he arrived on Omega.
Especially since the Invasion series starts with this happening.
You can't see it in the cover shot, but just out of view on the back cover there's a name-branded Cerberus porta-coffin ready for Count Xavier Widowpeak. He had to drag it there himself, which is what gave away his ambush.
Yeah but both of them are kind of assholes, even to each other. Well Jacob's at least a straight-up asshole.
Agreed. Kasumi's talks imply she at least talks to Tali, and Tali talks to Ken and Gabby so I conclude that Tali is the most sociable person on your crew.
...Thats more than a little depressing.
Liara mentions Tali had a crush on you back when you were all hanging out trying to kill Saren, and Tali interacts with the Engineering crew on the SR1 as well.
Tali's the perky little space bunny that won't shut up.
Wait, so I finished ME2 for the first time a few weeks ago. I only just realised I don't understand what happened.
So ok, the collectors are the protheans repurposed by the reapers, fine. Stealing humans to study to make better reapers, also understood. But the whole Harbinger thing...he's a reaper, right? controlling the collectors/collector general cause that's what they were made to be, puppets? Is that ever brought up in game? I don't think anyone ever actually mentions Harbinger, despite him constantly hanging around during the collector missions, like they literally gloss over his presence completely and are just all zomg collectors, gotta stop em.
It's just so weird that I can see that the Harbinger stuff is a continuation of ME1's plot, with indoctrination and paving the way for the reaper's return using organic life as tools, but none of the characters ever actually acknowledge his existence, and just seem to be pretending like the collectors are the be all and end all of the plot.
I assume all this has already been discussed to death, but I'm quite late to the party.
Wait, so I finished ME2 for the first time a few weeks ago. I only just realised I don't understand what happened.
So ok, the collectors are the protheans repurposed by the reapers, fine. Stealing humans to study to make better reapers, also understood. But the whole Harbinger thing...he's a reaper, right? controlling the collectors/collector general cause that's what they were made to be, puppets? Is that ever brought up in game? I don't think anyone ever actually mentions Harbinger, despite him constantly hanging around during the collector missions, like they literally gloss over his presence completely and are just all zomg collectors, gotta stop em.
It's just so weird that I can see that the Harbinger stuff is a continuation of ME1's plot, with indoctrination and paving the way for the reaper's return using organic life as tools, but none of the characters ever actually acknowledge his existence, and just seem to be pretending like the collectors are the be all and end all of the plot.
I assume all this has already been discussed to death, but I'm quite late to the party.
Yes your interpretation is correct. It is strange that they don't talk about Harbinger more.
That looks like Tuesday at Cerberus Secret Lab #38972.
Must be hard to tell when it's a real invasion
"Sir we're being attacked! invaded by husks, hundreds dead!"
"Yeah, so situation normal?"
"No sir, I don't think this is one of our experiments!"
"I'll get back to you"
Well, I think BW was going for what they did in ME. It doesn't matter if the Reapers are the "real" threat, you still have to stop the Collectors and Saren first.
Wait, so I finished ME2 for the first time a few weeks ago. I only just realised I don't understand what happened.
So ok, the collectors are the protheans repurposed by the reapers, fine. Stealing humans to study to make better reapers, also understood. But the whole Harbinger thing...he's a reaper, right? controlling the collectors/collector general cause that's what they were made to be, puppets? Is that ever brought up in game? I don't think anyone ever actually mentions Harbinger, despite him constantly hanging around during the collector missions, like they literally gloss over his presence completely and are just all zomg collectors, gotta stop em.
It's just so weird that I can see that the Harbinger stuff is a continuation of ME1's plot, with indoctrination and paving the way for the reaper's return using organic life as tools, but none of the characters ever actually acknowledge his existence, and just seem to be pretending like the collectors are the be all and end all of the plot.
I assume all this has already been discussed to death, but I'm quite late to the party.
Yes your interpretation is correct. It is strange that they don't talk about Harbinger more.
Are any of the characters aware of his (Harbinger's) existence at all? Does Shepard ever get any indication that the Collectors are anything other than what's in front of her? Sure, when Harby assumes control it looks weird, but how is Shep supposed to see "oh, one of them is hulking out" and conclude "must be a reaper possessing it remotely. That's totally it"?
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Did you play Arrival after finishing the main game? Also, your team must grab some data because Joker is showing Shepard a datapad with Harby on it. Does anyone address it by name? I don't think so.
Wait, so I finished ME2 for the first time a few weeks ago. I only just realised I don't understand what happened.
So ok, the collectors are the protheans repurposed by the reapers, fine. Stealing humans to study to make better reapers, also understood. But the whole Harbinger thing...he's a reaper, right? controlling the collectors/collector general cause that's what they were made to be, puppets? Is that ever brought up in game? I don't think anyone ever actually mentions Harbinger, despite him constantly hanging around during the collector missions, like they literally gloss over his presence completely and are just all zomg collectors, gotta stop em.
It's just so weird that I can see that the Harbinger stuff is a continuation of ME1's plot, with indoctrination and paving the way for the reaper's return using organic life as tools, but none of the characters ever actually acknowledge his existence, and just seem to be pretending like the collectors are the be all and end all of the plot.
I assume all this has already been discussed to death, but I'm quite late to the party.
Yes your interpretation is correct. It is strange that they don't talk about Harbinger more.
Are any of the characters aware of his (Harbinger's) existence at all? Does Shepard ever get any indication that the Collectors are anything other than what's in front of her? Sure, when Harby assumes control it looks weird, but how is Shep supposed to see "oh, one of them is hulking out" and conclude "must be a reaper possessing it remotely. That's totally it"?
Shepard says "Harbinger is coming. And he won't be alone." to TIM at the end, and Joker gives her a datapad with information about Harbinger. She also mentions him in Shadow Broker and speaks directly to him in Arrival. It is clear from Harby's dialogue that the Collectors have some kind of leader (the General) that is possessing them, though it wasn't until the end of the game that Shepard realized Harbinger and the General were separate entities due to his monologue about Shepard being a jerk who changed nothing. But they definitely should have had more interaction between Shepard and Harby.
So, regarding ME 3..has their been any official on whether Ashley/Kaidan, Tali, Garrus, Liara and Brofist McMusclemountain are the only permanent squad members?
Cause that'd suck.
So, regarding ME 3..has their been any official on whether Ashley/Kaidan, Tali, Garrus, Liara and Brofist McMusclemountain are the only permanent squad members?
Cause that'd suck.
They've hinted there are two or three more, and it sounds like there are a lot of missions with temporary squadmates. All we know is that there are definitely fewer than ME2.
Yeah, they don't really explain the Harby thing. I think the player reveal is supposed to be when you see the Harby hologram talking to the Collector General, which is why Arrival shows the CG if you do it before beating the game and Harby after, but it's not really clear how Shepard picked up on it. I guess EDI picked up some info while there?
They've hinted there are two or three more, and it sounds like there are a lot of missions with temporary squadmates. All we know is that there are definitely fewer than ME2.
Hmm, alright I guess.
ME 2 did have too many squad members, especially with Zaeed and Kasumi added to the mix. Some of them I never used outside of their loyalty mission.
They've hinted there are two or three more, and it sounds like there are a lot of missions with temporary squadmates. All we know is that there are definitely fewer than ME2.
Hmm, alright I guess.
ME 2 did have too many squad members, especially with Zaeed and Kasumi added to the mix. Some of them I never used outside of their loyalty mission.
They have also made comments about how 'permanent' squad members may not always be available and such too, I think they're writing in a few situations with heroic sacrifices/'My planet needs me Shepard, I have to go'. My impression is that we'll be forced to vary our parties a lot.
Hopefully they make either you or your squadmates a bit more varied in how you can spec them then.
I wanted to bring more people sometimes, but having few choices for bringing along a rather important skill like Overload (or Warp on some missions) made that not really possible.
Hopefully they make either you or your squadmates a bit more varied in how you can spec them then.
I wanted to bring more people sometimes, but having few choices for bringing along a rather important skill like Overload (or Warp on some missions) made that not really possible.
They showed off Garrus' screen around E3 and it looks like squaddies are back to having about 6 skills. But even in ME2 there were few people who were straight up terrible, mostly Jack, Mordin, and Jacob. Everyone else had a good weapon or Warp/Overload/Energy Drain/Reave.
These two were admittedly situational, but still useful
Grunt: Assault Rifle/ Krogan armor and Health. If you don't have an ammo power, Inferno is pretty good.
Zaeed: Assault Rifle and Sniper Rifle- Mostly here because Sniper Rifles are insanely good.
Legion: Sniper Rifle/Assault Rifle and Engineering Drone- Sniper Rifles are good, Drones are amazing on higher difficulties.
Tali: Energy Drain and Engineering Drone- Energy Drain is a healing Overload and Engineering Drone is awesome.
Garrus: Sniper Rifle and Overload
Kasumi: Shadow Strike and Overload
Miranda: Overload and Warp
Samara: Assault Rifle and Reave
Thane: Sniper Rifle and Warp
Hopefully they make either you or your squadmates a bit more varied in how you can spec them then.
I wanted to bring more people sometimes, but having few choices for bringing along a rather important skill like Overload (or Warp on some missions) made that not really possible.
They showed off Garrus' screen around E3 and it looks like squaddies are back to having about 6 skills. But even in ME2 there were few people who were straight up terrible, mostly Jack, Mordin, and Jacob. Everyone else had a good weapon or Warp/Overload/Energy Drain/Reave.
These two were admittedly situational, but still useful
Grunt: Assault Rifle/ Krogan armor and Health
Zaeed: Assault Rifle and Sniper Rifle
Legion: Sniper Rifle/Assault Rifle and Engineering Drone
Tali: Energy Drain and Engineering Drone
Garrus: Sniper Rifle and Overload
Kasumi: Shadow Strike and Overload
Miranda: Overload and Warp
Samara: Assault Rifle and Reave
Thane: Sniper Rifle and Warp
Jacob was awesome for Collector levels.
I brought him and Thane when I played Adept. 2 Warps, 2 Lifts, a Throw and Squad Incendiary Ammo for when we hit Husks.
Hopefully they make either you or your squadmates a bit more varied in how you can spec them then.
I wanted to bring more people sometimes, but having few choices for bringing along a rather important skill like Overload (or Warp on some missions) made that not really possible.
They showed off Garrus' screen around E3 and it looks like squaddies are back to having about 6 skills. But even in ME2 there were few people who were straight up terrible, mostly Jack, Mordin, and Jacob. Everyone else had a good weapon or Warp/Overload/Energy Drain/Reave.
These two were admittedly situational, but still useful
Grunt: Assault Rifle/ Krogan armor and Health
Zaeed: Assault Rifle and Sniper Rifle
Legion: Sniper Rifle/Assault Rifle and Engineering Drone
Tali: Energy Drain and Engineering Drone
Garrus: Sniper Rifle and Overload
Kasumi: Shadow Strike and Overload
Miranda: Overload and Warp
Samara: Assault Rifle and Reave
Thane: Sniper Rifle and Warp
Jacob was awesome for Collector levels.
I brought him and Thane when I played Adept. 2 Warps, 2 Lifts, a Throw and Squad Incendiary Ammo for when we hit Husks.
Amazing team.
The problem with Jacob is that he is Grunt with a single extra talent point, worse weapons, worse health, a slightly worse loyalty power and Pull instead of Concussive shot.
I never brought him if I could bring Grunt because Pull doesn't really outweigh that, especially if you have it on a 3 second cooldown.
I basically only ever use Mordin/Garrus/Tali/Grunt/Legion/Kasumi when I play because I don't like the rest all that much. I think I only use Miranda and Jacob on their loyalty missions, I ditch them both on the ship the second I pick up Zaeed and Kasumi and never look back.
I really hope they don't pull that crap where the Character I hate the most is undoubtedly the best squadmate mechanically again.
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As long as I covered my bases I pretty much brought everyone along.
Thing is that you have so many squadmates that the missions get spread a little thin when varying parties like that.
That's why, along with the promised character interaction, I'm glad ME3 is going to have a smaller permanant party.
That being said I do like that we get to choose weapon loadouts for our squadmates. Assault Rifles on everyone!
I usually ran with Tali and Miranda, just cuz Liara wasn't available for most of ME2. Got to have a full tech and biotic around when you're running soldier. Also went with Mordin for a while, just cuz he's damn hilarious.
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I also hope they look at power setups a lot more this time.
Having Cyro Blast and Neural Shock on the same character was pretty dumb.
And if they keep power loadouts the same, hopefully make their evolutions wildly variant.
So I was just thinking. I still haven't bought Arrival yet, and I still need to buy about 200ish points just to get it. Now with ME3 comming soon we know there is going to be DLC with it as well. Should I go for the 1600 point one just to save myself the time or get the 400 one and wait and see?
I usually ran with Tali and Miranda, just cuz Liara wasn't available for most of ME2. Got to have a full tech and biotic around when you're running soldier. Also went with Mordin for a while, just cuz he's damn hilarious.
Miranda isn't full biotic; she's a sentinel, so she already has overload, whereas you have to get Tali's loyalty before she earns her overload-esque power and becomes less terrible. Mechanically, Grunt and Miranda were my go-to insanity team. I'd just leave Miranda behind a wall in the previous room and use her powers while Grunt and I basked in the +hp/damage buff. Having pull is a pretty awful compensation for all the ways Grunt is flat out better than Jacob, including having his own completely unique random charge attack that rips through husks like tissue.
I varied my teams up on all the other runs, though, to try everyone out, though I eventually started bringing Kasumi almost all the time because rapid shadow strike is hilarious.
I usually ran with Tali and Miranda, just cuz Liara wasn't available for most of ME2. Got to have a full tech and biotic around when you're running soldier. Also went with Mordin for a while, just cuz he's damn hilarious.
Miranda isn't full biotic; she's a sentinel, so she already has overload, whereas you have to get Tali's loyalty before she earns her overload-esque power and becomes less terrible. Mechanically, Grunt and Miranda were my go-to insanity team. I'd just leave Miranda behind a wall in the previous room and use her powers while Grunt and I basked in the +hp/damage buff. Having pull is a pretty awful compensation for all the ways Grunt is flat out better than Jacob, including having his own completely unique random charge attack that rips through husks like tissue.
I varied my teams up on all the other runs, though, to try everyone out, though I eventually started bringing Kasumi almost all the time because rapid shadow strike is hilarious.
Pretty much this; my Insanity run was generally either Miranda/Kasumi, or Miranda/Grunt, loyalty missions aside.
I usually ran with Tali and Miranda, just cuz Liara wasn't available for most of ME2. Got to have a full tech and biotic around when you're running soldier. Also went with Mordin for a while, just cuz he's damn hilarious.
Miranda isn't full biotic; she's a sentinel, so she already has overload, whereas you have to get Tali's loyalty before she earns her overload-esque power and becomes less terrible. Mechanically, Grunt and Miranda were my go-to insanity team. I'd just leave Miranda behind a wall in the previous room and use her powers while Grunt and I basked in the +hp/damage buff. Having pull is a pretty awful compensation for all the ways Grunt is flat out better than Jacob, including having his own completely unique random charge attack that rips through husks like tissue.
I varied my teams up on all the other runs, though, to try everyone out, though I eventually started bringing Kasumi almost all the time because rapid shadow strike is hilarious.
Warp Bombs. It's all about the Warp Bombs.
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Especially since the Invasion series starts with this happening.
That looks like Tuesday at Cerberus Secret Lab #38972.
he's right there, isn't he
bet Aria gets stabbed to death in the comic
I'm pretty sure Aria would be more likely to get stabbed to death if she tripped and fell on a knife than by Cerberus' doing.
Tali's the perky little space bunny that won't shut up.
It's just so weird that I can see that the Harbinger stuff is a continuation of ME1's plot, with indoctrination and paving the way for the reaper's return using organic life as tools, but none of the characters ever actually acknowledge his existence, and just seem to be pretending like the collectors are the be all and end all of the plot.
I assume all this has already been discussed to death, but I'm quite late to the party.
Yes your interpretation is correct. It is strange that they don't talk about Harbinger more.
Must be hard to tell when it's a real invasion
"Sir we're being attacked! invaded by husks, hundreds dead!"
"Yeah, so situation normal?"
"No sir, I don't think this is one of our experiments!"
"I'll get back to you"
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Me too. Almost lost my coffee.
Are any of the characters aware of his (Harbinger's) existence at all? Does Shepard ever get any indication that the Collectors are anything other than what's in front of her? Sure, when Harby assumes control it looks weird, but how is Shep supposed to see "oh, one of them is hulking out" and conclude "must be a reaper possessing it remotely. That's totally it"?
The lead operative is using the proper Cerberus-endored "safety arms" technique.
"Remember, make sure you push your compatriots into the way of danger, while fleeing as ineffectually as possible."
Shepard says "Harbinger is coming. And he won't be alone." to TIM at the end, and Joker gives her a datapad with information about Harbinger. She also mentions him in Shadow Broker and speaks directly to him in Arrival. It is clear from Harby's dialogue that the Collectors have some kind of leader (the General) that is possessing them, though it wasn't until the end of the game that Shepard realized Harbinger and the General were separate entities due to his monologue about Shepard being a jerk who changed nothing. But they definitely should have had more interaction between Shepard and Harby.
Shepard's just that good.
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Cause that'd suck.
They've hinted there are two or three more, and it sounds like there are a lot of missions with temporary squadmates. All we know is that there are definitely fewer than ME2.
Hmm, alright I guess.
ME 2 did have too many squad members, especially with Zaeed and Kasumi added to the mix. Some of them I never used outside of their loyalty mission.
They have also made comments about how 'permanent' squad members may not always be available and such too, I think they're writing in a few situations with heroic sacrifices/'My planet needs me Shepard, I have to go'. My impression is that we'll be forced to vary our parties a lot.
I wanted to bring more people sometimes, but having few choices for bringing along a rather important skill like Overload (or Warp on some missions) made that not really possible.
They showed off Garrus' screen around E3 and it looks like squaddies are back to having about 6 skills. But even in ME2 there were few people who were straight up terrible, mostly Jack, Mordin, and Jacob. Everyone else had a good weapon or Warp/Overload/Energy Drain/Reave.
These two were admittedly situational, but still useful
Grunt: Assault Rifle/ Krogan armor and Health. If you don't have an ammo power, Inferno is pretty good.
Zaeed: Assault Rifle and Sniper Rifle- Mostly here because Sniper Rifles are insanely good.
Legion: Sniper Rifle/Assault Rifle and Engineering Drone- Sniper Rifles are good, Drones are amazing on higher difficulties.
Tali: Energy Drain and Engineering Drone- Energy Drain is a healing Overload and Engineering Drone is awesome.
Garrus: Sniper Rifle and Overload
Kasumi: Shadow Strike and Overload
Miranda: Overload and Warp
Samara: Assault Rifle and Reave
Thane: Sniper Rifle and Warp
Jacob was awesome for Collector levels.
I brought him and Thane when I played Adept. 2 Warps, 2 Lifts, a Throw and Squad Incendiary Ammo for when we hit Husks.
Amazing team.
The problem with Jacob is that he is Grunt with a single extra talent point, worse weapons, worse health, a slightly worse loyalty power and Pull instead of Concussive shot.
I never brought him if I could bring Grunt because Pull doesn't really outweigh that, especially if you have it on a 3 second cooldown.
i never really used thane or samara.
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I really hope they don't pull that crap where the Character I hate the most is undoubtedly the best squadmate mechanically again.
Thing is that you have so many squadmates that the missions get spread a little thin when varying parties like that.
That's why, along with the promised character interaction, I'm glad ME3 is going to have a smaller permanant party.
That being said I do like that we get to choose weapon loadouts for our squadmates. Assault Rifles on everyone!
Having Cyro Blast and Neural Shock on the same character was pretty dumb.
And if they keep power loadouts the same, hopefully make their evolutions wildly variant.
Miranda isn't full biotic; she's a sentinel, so she already has overload, whereas you have to get Tali's loyalty before she earns her overload-esque power and becomes less terrible. Mechanically, Grunt and Miranda were my go-to insanity team. I'd just leave Miranda behind a wall in the previous room and use her powers while Grunt and I basked in the +hp/damage buff. Having pull is a pretty awful compensation for all the ways Grunt is flat out better than Jacob, including having his own completely unique random charge attack that rips through husks like tissue.
I varied my teams up on all the other runs, though, to try everyone out, though I eventually started bringing Kasumi almost all the time because rapid shadow strike is hilarious.
Pretty much this; my Insanity run was generally either Miranda/Kasumi, or Miranda/Grunt, loyalty missions aside.
Warp Bombs. It's all about the Warp Bombs.
Then they should have made less redundant powers that fit his character.