I had no problems with conversations without the Personality aug.
Didn't fail a single one. Really, it's pretty obvious which option you should choose.
I have the conversation aug and one note about this... I'm unsure if this applies to ALL conversations or just one in particular... but a certain conversation in particular:
The one with Hugh Darrow at the end of the game.
It has different speech options. I reloaded this one a couple times and the second time I reloaded, I chose the same options
as I did the first time which put the conversation status in the green. Well, the second time, those same choices made him REALLY angry. Most of the choices were really obvious, I agree, but a few are pretty tricky.
There are a couple conversations where you HAVE to have it to get what you want and I found it did make conversations a lot easier to resolve.
I actually disagree on this one. In the conversations where you have lots of options, I found the writing to be strong enough that all responses seemed reasonable enough to work in most situations... I liked that the path you need to take with the conversation becomes clearer the conversation goes on, like in real life.
I didn't need the AUG myself, but I did lose one conversation. It involved a magnum and a forehead, and man, don't bring up wives when that shit goes down.
Seriously though, some of those conversations got pretty fucking tense. More tense than like 95% of the fire fights I got into. I think the developers did a great job scripting them to the point that you don't really need to bypass them, and honestly, if you use the AUG, I think you're really missing out on how fun they really are. I really do feel bad for the people who choose the AUG on their first play-through.
Oh... I never used the AUG to actually skip those conversations. I'm pretty sure if you do that you don't get the Silver Tongue Exp. bonus. I only actually used the "Convince" function on the unique scenarios where only that AUG will allow you to proceed.
The personality profile it provides you with is more than enough help. I don't need to jedi mind trick to manipulate people when I already know how they think, inside and out. :P
I will say that I really like what the aug did to conversations, on both sides.
Without it, I was carefully listening to the person, and checking the responses to figure out which one was the best.
With it, I didn't even listen to them, just watched the graphs and bars to decide my response.
Which is pretty great, really. Instead of being empathetic, I acted like a robot, judging the correct responses by machine instead of human actions. Great, great concept.
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Meh...you know I can't say the bars really did much to change my next response. I mean they helped you notice if you were or weren't failing the conversation, but the next decision you made was always up to you and if you chose wrong the persuasion bar could easily take a nosedive.
I would say the little character dossier was much more useful than any of those graphs/images, they were just there to look nice.
1) In all instances you want to sprint from cover to cover. Without upgrades you're just fast enough that you can run from one side of the room to the other and only get hit a few times if you leave when he is not firing or right as he is throwing grenades. If you're getting low on life, pop a hypostim, they take you to 150 health pretty much instantly.
2) On to specific ways to kill him;
a) Use gas grenades/stun grenades/emp grendaes/ the stun gun to stun him then shoot him with "x" weapon, where x is any weapon. Or typhoon. Also note that the stun gun is pretty accurate when blind firing so you can wait until he gets pretty close to you when you're behind cover to stun him and move to another spot.
b) Use frag grenades/mines from behind cover
c) Shoot him from behind cover by popping out and nailing him when he stops firing
d) If you decided to buy the upgrade to the machine pistol or the combat rifle(not sure if this is possible before the first boss) you can use it to kill him with blind fire. Just lock on to him, take cover, and unload.
e) Wait until he shoots all the explosive barrels. That should be enough damage to kill him. Similarly he will eventually miss and grenade himself.
Three of these ways are pretty much available to anyone since everyone should have the stun gun by that point (though on my murder run the second time I did not because it didn't leave me enough room for big guns and it caused me great consternation) and there are plenty of other weapons(mines, mine templates, grenades, rifles, ammo, etc) floating around the room by that point that you can kill him unless you really have a hard time aiming.
Its seriously possible to kill him even just kill him in a straight up cover fight. I was able to take him down with the non-upgraded shotgun without a targeting reticule in hard mode (though i did have 30% armor by that point) using no stun grenades or stun gun.
I will say that I really like what the aug did to conversations, on both sides.
Without it, I was carefully listening to the person, and checking the responses to figure out which one was the best.
With it, I didn't even listen to them, just watched the graphs and bars to decide my response.
Which is pretty great, really. Instead of being empathetic, I acted like a robot, judging the correct responses by machine instead of human actions. Great, great concept.
This comes through in the dialogue options, too
Without the aug, they're things like "empathize" or "inspire"
With the aug, they're just alpha, beta and omega
Or maybe that's just for the pheromone thing, I can't remember
also if you get too close to him he cutscene grabs you and there's a delay from the end of the cutscene to him doing anything so I'd charge him, get slammed down, stun him while he casually pointed his gun arm at me, and did dirty things to him while he was stunned complaining about my cheap trick
So you can figure out who is doing it, why they're doing it, who knows about it, and where the neuropozyne is before you get the quest. One of the emails is from Pritchard and basically says "you have to take care of this before Jensen finds out"
So here I am the head of the companies security and i don't have any option to turn the people responsible in. I don't even have the chance to ask Pritchard about it to talk about all that he knows and if there is a "good" solution to all of this that keeps my morals intact. You know, me being charged with protecting the companies goods and making sure people who do this kind of thing are punished.
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Is it confirmed that Deus Ex: Icarus Effect is out? I was out and about yesterday trying to find it in local book stores and it was nowhere.
The first boss had me quite upset and annoyed at first (and really wishing I had saved those last two praxis for the Typhoon) but then I realized it all came down to stunning him. With EMP grenades, with concussion grenades, with gas canisters from around the room, so long as he was unable to shoot, I was able to freely toss the rest of my inventory and contents of the room at him.
I'm at the third boss and man oh man, Huge spoiler:
I KNEW I shouldn't have had that bio implant at the LIMB clinic, my first thought was "I bet this is some sort of plan by the bad dudes to control me". I need to listen to my intuition more often. This is the biggest pain in the ass ever.
Oh and am I the only one who hasn't gotten typhoon and won't my first playthrough for that matter?
I'm at the third boss and man oh man, Huge spoiler:
I KNEW I shouldn't have had that bio implant at the LIMB clinic, my first thought was "I bet this is some sort of plan by the bad dudes to control me". I need to listen to my intuition more often. This is the biggest pain in the ass ever.
Oh and am I the only one who hasn't gotten typhoon and won't my first playthrough for that matter?
A number of things that hint that something shady is up. I think what really kicked it in for me was the news report that plays around the city. The names of the people the report quotes can clue you in on stuff if you've hacked and read e-mails.
I'm at the third boss and man oh man, Huge spoiler:
I KNEW I shouldn't have had that bio implant at the LIMB clinic, my first thought was "I bet this is some sort of plan by the bad dudes to control me". I need to listen to my intuition more often. This is the biggest pain in the ass ever.
Oh and am I the only one who hasn't gotten typhoon and won't my first playthrough for that matter?
I didn't get the Typhoon for my first playthrough, but that was a Pacifist run. On my second run I'm doing a mostly-stealthy, completely-deadly run, and I've used it a couple times. One big one was in Hengsha 2:
Instead of sneaking into the Harvesters' hideout via the sewers, I just busted in the front door.
Shot the front may pointblank with my 10mm, then flung his dead body down the street to his comrades. They came running, I cloaked, ran out, and used the Typhoon.
Cloak in combination with any power is about the only reason I use more than one battery at a time.
Just decloaking, double takedown and cloak in one move is soooo satisfying.
So you can figure out who is doing it, why they're doing it, who knows about it, and where the neuropozyne is before you get the quest. One of the emails is from Pritchard and basically says "you have to take care of this before Jensen finds out"
So here I am the head of the companies security and i don't have any option to turn the people responsible in. I don't even have the chance to ask Pritchard about it to talk about all that he knows and if there is a "good" solution to all of this that keeps my morals intact. You know, me being charged with protecting the companies goods and making sure people who do this kind of thing are punished.
To be honest, that kind of highlights another issue I had with this game... which is the whole email system is borked. There's a ton of information to be found in emails that should actually allow you to solve missions earlier or pose VERY CONCERNING issues and Jensen never even bothers to comment.
For instance:
I found an email detailing the illuminati's plot to use sattellites leased from Picus to cause havoc to augs. Jensen doesn't even blink at the email. It's just lore fluff... and that was kind of disappointing. I expected Jensen to get on the wire to tell Pritchard about the replacement chip, but alas, it was not so.
Hopefully for future installments, they at least add in minor commentary about emails the main character reads.
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So you can figure out who is doing it, why they're doing it, who knows about it, and where the neuropozyne is before you get the quest. One of the emails is from Pritchard and basically says "you have to take care of this before Jensen finds out"
So here I am the head of the companies security and i don't have any option to turn the people responsible in. I don't even have the chance to ask Pritchard about it to talk about all that he knows and if there is a "good" solution to all of this that keeps my morals intact. You know, me being charged with protecting the companies goods and making sure people who do this kind of thing are punished.
To be honest, that kind of highlights another issue I had with this game... which is the whole email system is borked. There's a ton of information to be found in emails that should actually allow you to solve missions earlier or pose VERY CONCERNING issues and Jensen never even bothers to comment.
For instance:
I found an email detailing the illuminati's plot to use sattellites leased from Picus to cause havoc to augs. Jensen doesn't even blink at the email. It's just lore fluff... and that was kind of disappointing. I expected Jensen to get on the wire to tell Pritchard about the replacement chip, but alas, it was not so.
Hopefully for future installments, they at least add in minor commentary about emails the main character reads.
the emails at the heart of picus
is basically the epicentre of media conspiracy to control hearts and minds. if i took this shit to a clean courtroom, picus would be fucked. people are literally saying, openly, about how they can spin the news to fit their angle! how they can fabricate stories! jensen, tell somebody!
is basically the epicentre of media conspiracy to control hearts and minds. if i took this shit to a clean courtroom, picus would be fucked. people are literally saying, openly, about how they can spin the news to fit their angle! how they can fabricate stories! jensen, tell somebody!/spoiler]
ehh...
there were a couple of e-mails about whistle blowers or people who knew what was going on, and how the company was quite practiced in smear campaigns and whatnot. plus, if they're backed by the illuminati, courts aren't out of their reach.
illuminati in this universe is basically like saying "a wizard did it"
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OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
I thought augments were this universe's "a wizard did it"
So you can figure out who is doing it, why they're doing it, who knows about it, and where the neuropozyne is before you get the quest. One of the emails is from Pritchard and basically says "you have to take care of this before Jensen finds out"
So here I am the head of the companies security and i don't have any option to turn the people responsible in. I don't even have the chance to ask Pritchard about it to talk about all that he knows and if there is a "good" solution to all of this that keeps my morals intact. You know, me being charged with protecting the companies goods and making sure people who do this kind of thing are punished.
To be honest, that kind of highlights another issue I had with this game... which is the whole email system is borked. There's a ton of information to be found in emails that should actually allow you to solve missions earlier or pose VERY CONCERNING issues and Jensen never even bothers to comment.
For instance:
I found an email detailing the illuminati's plot to use sattellites leased from Picus to cause havoc to augs. Jensen doesn't even blink at the email. It's just lore fluff... and that was kind of disappointing. I expected Jensen to get on the wire to tell Pritchard about the replacement chip, but alas, it was not so.
Hopefully for future installments, they at least add in minor commentary about emails the main character reads.
This also really bugged me regarding the emails you can stumble on regarding Jensen himself. Spoiled just in case:
You'd think his origins would elicit something from Adam, but he's completely silent about all of it. They're touched upon a little bit in the side mission with the private detective and the senile nurse, and again briefly with Megan admitting she used Adam just for his "special" DNA, but beyond that they're little more than fluff. You'd think these sort of revelations would affect him in some way.
Unless Jensen knew this stuff all along, and they're only revelations to us as players. But I think that's a bit of a stretch.
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The feel I got from the emails and such was that the response wasn't supposed to be detached from the player. They didn't want Adam to show you how you're supposed to feel, but rather to reward the intrepid player who reads all the emails by giving some actual impact. For instance...
In Adam's apartment:
Seriously... they put his dog down? I didn't need Adam to get pissed over that. I was Adam at that moment and was not happy at all.
In a back room in the Detroit LIMB Clinic:
I learned that it was Sarif's order to remove my- er... I mean, Adam's good arm and both his perfectly good legs. Again, pissed.
It was immersive in that I provided the response rather than any voice acting or cutscene. I dig that.
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Yea, in Adam's apartment,
The mirror told me everything I needed to know about his state of mind. Gave me instant goosebumps.
is basically the epicentre of media conspiracy to control hearts and minds. if i took this shit to a clean courtroom, picus would be fucked. people are literally saying, openly, about how they can spin the news to fit their angle! how they can fabricate stories! jensen, tell somebody!
Uh Fox News was caught directly delivering GOP talking points a while back, no one did anything about it
One of those revelations about Jensen would be more surprising if you couldn't come across it literally the moment you're let loose on Detroit.
The medical records in the LIMB clinic OR list Jensen as adopted, age 5.
yeah but
they don't tell you anything about his time at white helix labs, or the cryptic experiments being done to other babies, or the fact that his parents apparently set fire to the place to put a stop to said cryptic experiments
Yeah, but the emails don't tell you any of that either. You learn that from the detective and Michele. The emails just tell you that you're adopted and that your parents had their medical bills covered by White Helix, and that the SWAT report about being unstable was bogus.
The med record also tells that, in addition to being able to slap his cells in anybody and have them become immune to rejection syndrome, he can also give anyone blood. Adam, indeed.
So, I'm playing this on the hardest difficulty, and working toward the Pacifist achievement. I may have encountered a problem: I was doing Cloak and Dagger -- specifically, the bit where you have to sneak into ganger territory undetected -- I did a non-lethal takedown on a guy in my way, and the game autosaved my progress at basically the same moment. I fucked up the next bit, and had to load that autosave. After that, I completed the rest of my objectives without a problem. On my way back out, I was double-checking bodies, and I noticed that the guy who I'd knocked out just prior to that auto-save had a skull instead of a ZzZ symbol ... indicating that he was dead?
I'm going to do the rest of the game without killing anyone anyway, I just want to know how surprised I should be if the fucking achievement doesn't pop up.
I read all of your spoiled comments, and wanted to give you my perspective on the conversation:
I just started playing this game. I've finished the first mission, and that's basically it. I knew that Jensen was Patient X during the opening scene, honestly; they basically scream it at you. Everything that's happened since then just makes it that much more obvious.
is basically the epicentre of media conspiracy to control hearts and minds. if i took this shit to a clean courtroom, picus would be fucked. people are literally saying, openly, about how they can spin the news to fit their angle! how they can fabricate stories! jensen, tell somebody!/spoiler]
ehh...
there were a couple of e-mails about whistle blowers or people who knew what was going on, and how the company was quite practiced in smear campaigns and whatnot. plus, if they're backed by the illuminati, courts aren't out of their reach.
illuminati in this universe is basically like saying "a wizard did it"
So Picus is the reason there is a sniper rifle over the abandoned gas station.
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OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
I always figured that was a holdout weapon for the weapons dealer there...you know, "just in case".
I always figured that was a holdout weapon for the weapons dealer there...you know, "just in case".
There's a pocket secretary next to it with instructions for the shooter to aim between the cops and protesters so they both think the other group shot first.
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Oh... I never used the AUG to actually skip those conversations. I'm pretty sure if you do that you don't get the Silver Tongue Exp. bonus. I only actually used the "Convince" function on the unique scenarios where only that AUG will allow you to proceed.
The personality profile it provides you with is more than enough help. I don't need to jedi mind trick to manipulate people when I already know how they think, inside and out. :P
Without it, I was carefully listening to the person, and checking the responses to figure out which one was the best.
With it, I didn't even listen to them, just watched the graphs and bars to decide my response.
Which is pretty great, really. Instead of being empathetic, I acted like a robot, judging the correct responses by machine instead of human actions. Great, great concept.
I would say the little character dossier was much more useful than any of those graphs/images, they were just there to look nice.
1) In all instances you want to sprint from cover to cover. Without upgrades you're just fast enough that you can run from one side of the room to the other and only get hit a few times if you leave when he is not firing or right as he is throwing grenades. If you're getting low on life, pop a hypostim, they take you to 150 health pretty much instantly.
2) On to specific ways to kill him;
a) Use gas grenades/stun grenades/emp grendaes/ the stun gun to stun him then shoot him with "x" weapon, where x is any weapon. Or typhoon. Also note that the stun gun is pretty accurate when blind firing so you can wait until he gets pretty close to you when you're behind cover to stun him and move to another spot.
b) Use frag grenades/mines from behind cover
c) Shoot him from behind cover by popping out and nailing him when he stops firing
d) If you decided to buy the upgrade to the machine pistol or the combat rifle(not sure if this is possible before the first boss) you can use it to kill him with blind fire. Just lock on to him, take cover, and unload.
e) Wait until he shoots all the explosive barrels. That should be enough damage to kill him. Similarly he will eventually miss and grenade himself.
Three of these ways are pretty much available to anyone since everyone should have the stun gun by that point (though on my murder run the second time I did not because it didn't leave me enough room for big guns and it caused me great consternation) and there are plenty of other weapons(mines, mine templates, grenades, rifles, ammo, etc) floating around the room by that point that you can kill him unless you really have a hard time aiming.
Its seriously possible to kill him even just kill him in a straight up cover fight. I was able to take him down with the non-upgraded shotgun without a targeting reticule in hard mode (though i did have 30% armor by that point) using no stun grenades or stun gun.
The first boss has an auditory cue when he throws the grenades as well.
Ha! I hadn't even thought of doing that!
This comes through in the dialogue options, too
Without the aug, they're things like "empathize" or "inspire"
With the aug, they're just alpha, beta and omega
Or maybe that's just for the pheromone thing, I can't remember
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One other thing that bugged me was the
So you can figure out who is doing it, why they're doing it, who knows about it, and where the neuropozyne is before you get the quest. One of the emails is from Pritchard and basically says "you have to take care of this before Jensen finds out"
So here I am the head of the companies security and i don't have any option to turn the people responsible in. I don't even have the chance to ask Pritchard about it to talk about all that he knows and if there is a "good" solution to all of this that keeps my morals intact. You know, me being charged with protecting the companies goods and making sure people who do this kind of thing are punished.
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Yeah, it's definitely out. I've seen it in B&N.
Oh and am I the only one who hasn't gotten typhoon and won't my first playthrough for that matter?
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A number of things that hint that something shady is up. I think what really kicked it in for me was the news report that plays around the city. The names of the people the report quotes can clue you in on stuff if you've hacked and read e-mails.
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I didn't get the Typhoon for my first playthrough, but that was a Pacifist run. On my second run I'm doing a mostly-stealthy, completely-deadly run, and I've used it a couple times. One big one was in Hengsha 2:
Shot the front may pointblank with my 10mm, then flung his dead body down the street to his comrades. They came running, I cloaked, ran out, and used the Typhoon.
...and now I see how beautiful it can be.
-Z
Just decloaking, double takedown and cloak in one move is soooo satisfying.
To be honest, that kind of highlights another issue I had with this game... which is the whole email system is borked. There's a ton of information to be found in emails that should actually allow you to solve missions earlier or pose VERY CONCERNING issues and Jensen never even bothers to comment.
For instance:
Hopefully for future installments, they at least add in minor commentary about emails the main character reads.
I guess I should just blame living in East Texas, then.
Same situation it seems here in central VA.
Think the only place to get it around here is Amazon
the emails at the heart of picus
ehh...
illuminati in this universe is basically like saying "a wizard did it"
This also really bugged me regarding the emails you can stumble on regarding Jensen himself. Spoiled just in case:
Unless Jensen knew this stuff all along, and they're only revelations to us as players. But I think that's a bit of a stretch.
It's unfortunate that everytime I log on, I get a thousand invites to play Black Ops.
In Adam's apartment:
In a back room in the Detroit LIMB Clinic:
It was immersive in that I provided the response rather than any voice acting or cutscene. I dig that.
-Z
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Uh Fox News was caught directly delivering GOP talking points a while back, no one did anything about it
yeah but
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The med record also tells that, in addition to being able to slap his cells in anybody and have them become immune to rejection syndrome, he can also give anyone blood. Adam, indeed.
I'm going to do the rest of the game without killing anyone anyway, I just want to know how surprised I should be if the fucking achievement doesn't pop up.
Fantastic. I would have reloaded if I'd seen it in the first place, but at this stage, there's no getting it back unless I start over completely.
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